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AeroMexico Applies For CLE-MEX  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

AeroMexico has applied with the US DOT to offer two weekly flights between Cleveland and Mexico City start on/about 1 April 2006 using 737-700 aircraft.

Docket:
http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.c...m?documentid=379898&docketid=23510


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3947 times:
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Interesting! It will be great to see a new carrier here in CLE, especially a foreign one. Plus, with the Skyteam connections with CO (and others) it could be a win-win for everyone involved. Plus, the 73G will not overwhelm our tiny customs facility where a widebody may not do as well without careful scheduling amongst the carriers.


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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

About time CLE landed a new carrier. Mok & Szabo are starting to earn their paychecks.


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3915 times:
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Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 2):
About time CLE landed a new carrier. Mok & Szabo are starting to earn their paychecks.

I agree and hope that the new administration thinks so as well. Beyond the fact that CLE has a sizable latino community, this opens up a much needed business route for local corporations that take advantage of NAFTA.



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User currently offline146CREW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

The flights are Charter only, to be operated on behalf of FunJet Vacations using 737-700 equipment.


Cross check complete.
User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

MEX doesn't seem to be a typical FunJet destination.

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

I heard that Boston wasn't doing all that well; are they thinking of swapping Boston for Cleveland??

User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 5):
MEX doesn't seem to be a typical FunJet destination.

agreed. ....and if it were a vacation charter, why wait until April and miss the entire winter season?

i originally thought that AM would be doing CLE-CUN this winter:
RE: AeroMexico To CLE (by EddieDude Oct 9 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2371276

[Edited 2006-01-04 04:41:05]


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8265 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Quoting 146CREW (Reply 4):
The flights are Charter only, to be operated on behalf of FunJet Vacations using 737-700 equipment.

Well, there was a post not long ago about Aeromexico taking over for ATA/TransMeridian on the CLE-CUN route... but this looks like something different. Would be great to see regular service.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Quoting 146CREW (Reply 4):
The flights are Charter only, to be operated on behalf of FunJet Vacations using 737-700 equipment.

No, they aren't, they are scheduled. AeroMexico will (or has started?), IIRC, be operating CLE-CUN charters for Funjet. The reason they may be launching this service might have something to do with it, because flying CLE-MEX will allow them to position a plane in Cleveland, which can create more favourable schedules for CLE-originating passengers. The only reason they still fly to Boston is because they operate a BOS-CUN charter on a Saturdays, and the MEX-BOS flight positions the plane.



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3786 times:
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Good call on these being positioning flights to support the charters to CUN. Maybe MEX-CLE during the early evening, an early CLE-CUN flight with a quick turn back to CLE, and then CLE-MEX at night?


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5432 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

CO publicly talked about flying CLE-MEX in pre-9/11 days, but, like AMS, CDG, etc. nothing has come of it so far. It will be interesting to see if CO agrees to a codeshare, since CO usually like the long leg to be a CO flight. (Can't say I blame them.)


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User currently offlineN839mh From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Well, maybe CLE-MEX will do better than DFW-MEX.

Friday is Mexicana's last day @ DFW, and now Aeromexico's last
day at DFW is February 5th.

This leaves only AA at DFW to MEX....and Jeff Fagen (DFW) and AA are
scared of Love Field and Southwest? Looks like AA and the cost
of DFW is running off business at a good rate...still no new International
Airlines beating down the doors of the new Palace D terminal.

Good luck to AM wherever they go after they leave DFW.



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User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Do all of the other SkyTeam North American hubs have service to Mexico City? How about Minneapolis? Cincinnati?

User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3585 times:
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Quoting Mats (Reply 13):
Do all of the other SkyTeam North American hubs have service to Mexico City? How about Minneapolis? Cincinnati?

I do not believe there is regular service to MEX from these cities.



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User currently offline146crew From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Sorry, I didn't read the topic too carefully. I was referring to CLE-CUN. Again sorry.

146crew



Cross check complete.
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 10):
Good call on these being positioning flights

CO should codeshare on this flight and AM should codeshare on some CO routes ex-CLE. This might help too and could potentially allow AM maybe to go from 2 weekly flights to, perhaps 4 weekly flights at some point.

Quoting N839mh (Reply 12):
now Aeromexico's last
day at DFW is February 5th.

Really? I can't believe that! It sucks! I really enjoyed flying AM to DFW. And there were incredible promotional business class fares... I am going to miss AM's flights to DFW; maybe I should book a trip soon.

Quoting Mats (Reply 13):
Do all of the other SkyTeam North American hubs have service to Mexico City?

The only U.S. SkyTeam hubs with non-stop service to MEX are IAH, ATL, JFK, EWR and DTW. CLE will soon have as discussed in this thread, and I must say that I am surpised it will be AM and not CO doing it. SLC used to have non-stop service to MEX operated by AM, but it is gone now. CVG, MEM and MSP do not have non-stop service to MEX at the moment.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5432 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3493 times:

I notice that AM asked only for a ONE year exemption to operate the route; the DOT routinely gives two-year exemptions on routes such as this.

Maybe the one year matches the length of the CUN charter. It's strange, though. ¿Why not ask for two? There is no penalty for early termination of an unsuccessful route, and it will increase AM's legal costs if they want an extension.



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3477 times:

Are they sharing a gate with CO or are they getting their own? CLE is packed gate wise.


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3404 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 16):
CO should codeshare on this flight and AM should codeshare on some CO routes ex-CLE. This might help too and could potentially allow AM maybe to go from 2 weekly flights to, perhaps 4 weekly flights at some point.

While I do not know what routes would be good for those coming from MEX, I certainly think manufacturing center and resort destination connections for the CLE-MEX flights would be popular. How easy is it to connect at MEX?

Quoting Piercey (Reply 18):
Are they sharing a gate with CO or are they getting their own? CLE is packed gate wise.

I would imagine they will use one of the customs gates at the end of Terminal A for arrivals and maybe tug it to Terminal C for departures if A is too crowded.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Didnt CO Express used to fly CLE-SAT-MEX?


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3388 times:
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Quoting Humberside (Reply 20):
Didnt CO Express used to fly CLE-SAT-MEX?

Yes.



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User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 19):
I would imagine they will use one of the customs gates at the end of Terminal A for arrivals and maybe tug it to Terminal C for departures if A is too crowded.

I'd be surprised to see this one leave from C. If anything I'd expect them to tow the plane over to A-7 or A-9 if not depart from the customs gates.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32776 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 19):
I certainly think manufacturing center and resort destination connections for the CLE-MEX flights would be popular.

Given the extensive amount of service between the US and Mexican resort cities, and the fact that many tourists pre-book via tour companies that place passengers on non-stops from the US (on scheduled flights or charters), there is not a huge amount of traffic connecting in Mexico City to Mexican resorts.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 23):
there is not a huge amount of traffic connecting in Mexico City to Mexican resorts

Right, except on peak season like Spring Break or perhaps long U.S. weekends. I recall flying between MEX and DFW in March 2005 with AM and most of the passengers were American tourists with connections to/from resort cities.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 MasseyBrown : I suppose this all means AM will actually begin the CLE-CUN charters in April also. CO has delayed the return of their CLE-CUN flight until June. Must
26 Mbm3 : I have seen some interior shots of the Marriott in Cancun and I was stunned at the severity of the damage caused by the hurricane. That being said, i
27 Mbm3 : While there are a number of people who book through tour companies, there are also a heck of a lot, such as myself, who prefer to stay away from the
28 MasseyBrown : Most of the big Cleveland companies have Mexican subsidiaries. There should be a fair amount of business traffic on the route as well - if two flight
29 Mbm3 : Very true. It may not be enough frequencies to wrangle a huge amount away from CO unless the cost and convenience differential is significant enough
30 Adriaticus : UA's website shows Flight 997 MSP 214P MEX 853P daily except Saturdays. MSP and MEX are in the same time zone - so a 6:39 flight sounds a wee bit too
31 EddieDude : Enough 73W's and enough MD-80's. The thing is that AM will probably go very slowly... maybe adding more frequencies is not even seen as a possibility
32 Javomd88 : Hi guys from the Windy city! Im on a 5 days base at KORD doing charter flights to CUN and PVR. im sure the CLE may as well do the same! Seeya JAVO. Al
33 MasseyBrown : I wondered about that. For April flights Funjet lists their carrier as U5 or USA 3000.
34 MAH4546 : Yes, this flight is via Denver.
35 Post contains links MasseyBrown : FWIW, counsel for AeroMexico today (Jan 17th) advised the DOT that there are no objections by other airlines to the award of CLE-MEX to AM. Thus, the
36 Mbm3 : Great news! The should have enough time to do some good advance marketing prior to the start of the route. It will be interesting to see if or how Ma
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