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Opening Cockpit Door During Flight  
User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

I heard a pilot call into a radio talk show and express his concerns about opening the cockpit door to use the bathroom while in flight. He said it is a fault in the system to safegaurd the cockpit.


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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Yes, there are protections (some) in place though. Normally they block the area with a cart, and usually has a FA or Two monitoring the area. I think it would be difficult now to gain access to the cockpit. People on the plane would jump and tackle any potential intruder.

User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5234 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
People on the plane would jump and tackle any potential intruder.

Considering the TSA does their job of stopping any intruders board a plane with a potential weapon.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

Do you think it will ever come to the point that the pilots will have their own en suite toliet? If this were to happen this would likely be something initiated in the US I think.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4686 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
If this were to happen this would likely be something initiated in the US I think.

Does the idea of this possibly happening in the US first bother you?



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User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Quoting Blasphemystic (Reply 2):
Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
People on the plane would jump and tackle any potential intruder.

Considering the TSA does their job of stopping any intruders board a plane with a potential weapon

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 
Thats great. I remember on a US Express flight to PIT on take off the cockpit door opened due to late afternoon turbulance. The FA at the front got up and closed the door after almost falling 3-4 times. Security Indeed!



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

I think this topic was just discussed (as nauseum) a couple of weeks ago...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2504075


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 4):
Does the idea of this possibly happening in the US first bother you?

Behave sweetheart, I was not trying to pick a fight. The reason I said what I did was that the US is the only country that is fierce in its restrictions on cockpit access and the like...

YOWza



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User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

I recently took a flight on America West from PHX to EWR. The pilots must have had the shits or something because as they were constantly going back and forth to the toilet (much to the annoyance of the FAs it appeared). The procedure was for the first class FA to go into the cockpit to keep the other pilot awake (or God knows what else behind the closed door) while an FA from Y class stood infront of the door with her arm crossed - I really felt safe knowing that any potential terrorist/nutcase would first have to go through the 5ft2in FA before getting access to the cockpit.

LPLAspotter



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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 4):
Does the idea of this possibly happening in the US first bother you?

No, no not for me. It's just you have the paranoia and the illusion to make a plane 100% safe. So i wouldn't be surprised if it would be implemented first in the US.

A plane will never be 100% safe against terrorists.
I know it's for minimizing the risk but for me a toilet for the pilots only is just ridiculous and not necessary.
There are enough exit and entry procedures to the flightdeck already to minimize the risk.

Regds
jush



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User currently offlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5003 times:
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I cannot remember which magazine had an article about this, either "Airlines" or "Airways" (GREAT magazines by the way).

But one of them described a screen, similar to ones you put on a back or front door of a house, that pulls down from the top and locks on the bottom (operating like a window shade). It is see thru just like a regular black screen and is installed at the first bulkhead, between the cabin and gally/first aircraft door. So when the pilots have to access the galley, front lav., or need to stand and stretch, the FA simply pulls down the screen, locks it, and keeps an eye out for potential threats. If a threat does occur, the FA would have enough time to call for help, give the pilot outside the cockpit enough time to secure himself back in the cockpit, and alert the other pilot in the cockpit to the problem.

The company that manufactures these screens, says that they are inexpensive, light weight, but very very durable. Although not bulletproof, in several conducted tests, it took about 5 minutes or longer for a knife to cut through the material.

I thought it was a brilliant invention and I often wonder why I have yet to see them installed in any of the aircraft I have flown on.

Aaron


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Quoting Jush (Reply 9):
A plane will never be 100% safe against terrorists.

I definitely feel safe flying knowing there are Federal Air Marshals on US flights, and just like what you saw in MIA on Dec 7th, on AA flight 924, If they have to take someone down, they'll do it.


User currently offlineGrbld From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 11):
If they have to take someone down, they'll do it

Be careful what you say there, I could easily make a snide remark referring to that incident (but I won't)!

Air Marshals are not on every flight. The main thing is just to be vigilant and stick to security procedures, knowing that 100% security is by definition, impossible.

Grbld


User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting Blasphemystic (Reply 2):
Considering the TSA does their job of stopping any intruders board a plane with a potential weapon

Speaking of which; Has anybody heard what happened with the pilots demand to keep guns in the cockpit? Is it still a demand, or is it general pratice these days..?



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Quoting Grbld (Reply 12):
Air Marshals are not on every flight

I know that. They are on selected flights. I don't think anyone knows what the selected flights are though.

Quoting Grbld (Reply 12):
I could easily make a snide remark referring to that incident (but I won't)!

If you have anything you want to say, then say it. If you don't want to post it. Then contact me privately. I am very interested to hear what you have to say.


User currently offlinePurdueAv2003 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 251 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 3):
Do you think it will ever come to the point that the pilots will have their own en suite toilet?

How about "in seat" toilet? I would love to hear some of the ATC traffic then:

"Pittsburgh tower (nnnnnnn!) Crapper 10200 (nnnnnnn!) requesting clearance. (nnnnn!...plop)."

 biting 



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Reply 13):
Quoting Blasphemystic (Reply 2):
Considering the TSA does their job of stopping any intruders board a plane with a potential weapon

Speaking of which; Has anybody heard what happened with the pilots demand to keep guns in the cockpit? Is it still a demand, or is it general pratice these days..?

You are reffering to the Federal Flight Deck Officer (FFDO) program. There are a limited number of pilots in this program who do carry guns while on duty. I flew with an FFDO one time. I will not say anything more about this for security reasons.


User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 15):

How about "in seat" toilet? I would love to hear some of the ATC traffic then:

"Pittsburgh tower (nnnnnnn!) Crapper 10200 (nnnnnnn!) requesting clearance. (nnnnn!...plop)."

 rotfl 



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User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 750 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

You people always try to think of the most complex solution...Just make pilots wear diapers. Problem solved!!!


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 8):
first have to go through the 5ft2in FA before getting access to the cockpit.

On CO, the practice I've observed is to park a galley cart across (perpendicular to) the asile as close as possible to the flight deck door, then the FA stands in front of the cart.

On my most recent flight, in addition to this, there was a FA standing at the bulkhead between, the segment before that, I -think- they parked a galley cart at the bulkhead as well, but that could have just been the FAs taking a fair amount of time to prep for the next beverage service.

Seems reasonably secure without adding the extra weight (and MX costs and space) of a lav for 2 people...

Lincoln



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User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 18):
You people always try to think of the most complex solution...Just make pilots wear diapers. Problem solved!!!

I know a couple of pilots that use catheters on longer flights.


User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4685 times:

Quoting Goaliemn (Reply 20):
know a couple of pilots that use catheters on longer flights.

I don't think so. I had one of those after surgery and it was extremely painful when put in and taken out. I think you are referring to some type of bottle or what not - That's what fighter pilots use (or some type of tube), but definitely not something that's shoved up your schwong.

LPLAspotter



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User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4570 times:
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Foreign carriers are not as sensitive to the concept of cockpit security as are American crews. This is quite understandable IMO. I was aboard a foreign carrier out of ATL and the captain stood chatting with the FAs in the forward galley for quite some time with the cockpit door ajar.

Also, I was on an internal IB flight, MD80, where the cockpit door remained open through the takeoff, climbout and well into the flight. These were all post 9/11.


User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Quoting Blasphemystic (Thread starter):
I heard a pilot call into a radio talk show and express his concerns about opening the cockpit door to use the bathroom while in flight. He said it is a fault in the system to safegaurd the cockpit.

make em piss in a bottle!

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Reply 13):
Speaking of which; Has anybody heard what happened with the pilots demand to keep guns in the cockpit? Is it still a demand, or is it general pratice these days..?

thats a ridiculous idea! a gunshot fired on an aircraft could be catastrophic!


User currently offlineBlasphemystic From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

Quoting Goaliemn (Reply 20):
I know a couple of pilots that use catheters on longer flights.


 Yeah sure



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25 A319XFW : I don't think it would be as catastrophic as they make out in movies. After all, the outflow valve is probably open wider most of the time than the h
26 Matt72033 : true, but would you want to risk hitting a window for instance? i just think its a really bad idea to have guns on aircraft!
27 Exarmywarrant : The FA is there to unlock the door when the pilot comes back...
28 Post contains links Goaliemn : you must not watch Mythbusters.. they did a show demonstrating a bullet hole through the skin of an airplane, as well as through a window, at altitud
29 Goaliemn : I talked to them after your first comment. The use a Texas catheter. More like a tube around the outside. Its like a tight condom with a tube going t
30 A319XFW : If you look carefully at windows there are at least 2 panes. I don't know what material the outer one is (plastic? As you can polish scratches off un
31 UAL747DEN : No one said that the pilots were getting their own toilet, don't get out of control for no reason. Do it then. If you have a "snide remark" about tha
32 Matt72033 : but if they did shatter you now have a big hole! the holes there to equalize the pressure between the two, if the outer pane fails the hole becomes c
33 10MID : A gunshot fired ANYWHERE could be catastrophic.
34 Post contains images Goaliemn : I've fired thousands of rounds at the range and yet to have a catastrophic incident caused by one This is really going off topic quickly..
35 Noelg : Some of them do. I know certain 747-400s do for sure, there's a little toilet cubicle on the right as you walk into the flight deck. Don't forget tha
36 Grbld : Wow, dude, what's with the hostility? The thing I was going to say was that the person shot by the air marshals was not a criminal, nor was he a terr
37 Blasphemystic : Like many topics in this forum. Thanks for sticking with the topic. I never knew that.
38 Matt72033 : 744 has crew rest in the flightdeck not seen one with a toilet in ther too! but there is a toilet right outside, so i guess they could just move the
39 IRelayer : I think rubber bullets would be an effective deterrent for the purser and the cockpit crew in lieu of a security breach. I'll admit I don't know much
40 TristarSteve : The venerable Vickers VC10 had a crew toilet outside the flight deck. Many years ago El Al B737-200 had a bullet proof door which was closed between
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