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US A330's Damaged Due To Lightning Strikes  
User currently offlineFishe388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10790 times:

Does anybody have any more information on where and what actually happened in this incident?

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User currently offlineFishe388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10717 times:

Lightning Storm Creates Problems
for International Travelers

Two days ago, 3 Airbus A-330 aircraft were damaged due to lightning strikes in the Philadelphia area. Some of these aircraft had over 100 lightning strikes. With these aircraft taken out of service for repair, US Airways has had to use the smaller Boeing 767 aircraft for some of its international routes.
Because the Boeing 767 is smaller than the A-330, many international passenger have had to wait a day or two for a flight home. Yesterday in Orlando, almost $16,000 in compensation was given to 80 inconvenience passengers due to the lightning damaging the A-330 aircraft.


**This is part of the problem this is all I know about it!!!


User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10684 times:

Couldn't tell you about the 330's. It's just unfortunate that this time of year, airlines dont have any "extra" aircraft to fill voids is something DOES happen and it filters all they way down. This is a shame. If US knew there would be bad weather in PHL they should have moved the planes somewhere safer.


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User currently offlineFishe388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10655 times:

I am quite sure that a thunderstorm, in the beginning of January when it is supposed to be snowing, was what they were expecting to occur. Then again where else are they going to send these A330's. All of the connecting traffic is in PHL for these flights. Although I would like to see a shift of more international flying out of CLT even PIT. (that's just some wishful thinking.) IMHO

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10631 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 3):
If US knew there would be bad weather in PHL they should have moved the planes somewhere safer.

You're joking, right?

If USAirways pilots and dispatchers could predict the absolute certainty of lightning before the aircraft was to be arriving at its destination, they wouldn't be flying/dispatching flights--they'd be out buying winning lottery tickets...


User currently offlineBigJimFX From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10597 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
If USAirways pilots and dispatchers could predict the absolute certainty of lightning before the aircraft was to be arriving at its destination, they wouldn't be flying/dispatching flights--they'd be out buying winning lottery tickets...

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Ok Ok You got me there, All im saying is that if there was a possibility of bad weather, they could have moved the planes. Like AA did during the hurricanes in Florida.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10581 times:

Google News, and Google itself, have no mention of this story. Neither does usairways.com, americawest.com, or any Orlando area newspaper I can find.

Where, exactly, is your snippet of information from?

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User currently offlineMarkabcan From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10548 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 6):
Ok Ok You got me there, All im saying is that if there was a possibility of bad weather, they could have moved the planes. Like AA did during the hurricanes in Florida.

There is a big difference between a thunderstorm and hurricane! The airline industry would be at a stand still if planes were constantly moved to avoid any type of bad weather!  Smile


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 6):
Ok Ok You got me there, All im saying is that if there was a possibility of bad weather, they could have moved the planes. Like AA did during the hurricanes in Florida.

With all due respect, you don't evacuate aircraft for thunderstorms in the same way you do for hurricanes and tropical storms...

If PHL is forecasting CLR TEMPO 1/2SM TSRA at your flight's ETA, should you launch the flight?

Of course you would. If there's actually a thunderstorm overhead of the airport when you get there (which may, or may not have alot of "bad" lightning) you hold until the cell moves, and if not, you divert.

If we (the airlines) don't launch because of the mere "possibility" of bad weather, nobody would fly because the unreliability of the service.


User currently offlineFishe388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10537 times:

This information came from www.justplanenews.com with no additional link however in sabre the aircraft have been downgraded.

User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3436 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9983 times:

US does have the extra A330 that does the PHL-SJU run that can easily be downgraded to a 752 for a short time.

But this still baffles me. I live probably 15 miles east of PHL in South Jersey and while we did see some heavy rains i don't recall hearing the slightest sound of the thunder or sight of lightning


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11455 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9887 times:

If PHL was anything like DC two nights ago (and usually Philly weather is DC weather delayed an hour and a half minus 5-10 degrees) there were big thunderstorms with lots of lightning around 2am.


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6500 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9852 times:

Quoting Fishe388 (Reply 2):
Some of these aircraft had over 100 lightning strikes

I find this very doubtful, a single aircraft getting struck over 100 times in one storm!!!


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11455 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9790 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 16):
I find this very doubtful, a single aircraft getting struck over 100 times in one storm!!!

There was a lot of lightning in that storm, 330s are pretty big targets, and airports. being mostly open fields, have relatively few attractive targets for lightning to strike.

How tall is a 330 tail? I bet it acts a lot like a lightning rod. If so, 100 times may be unfortunate, but not unreasonable.



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User currently offlineSeattle Ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

OK, guys, the strikes are actually static discharges that occur in flight, not on the ground. It happens often, of course most often in the summer. GOOD GRIEF!!

User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9532 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 3):
US knew there would be bad weather in PHL they should have moved the planes somewhere safer.

This has got to be the stupidest comment ever. A hurricane is a lot different than a thunderstorm. No-one can predict where lightning is going to strike, they are not going to move aircraft out of PHL to PIT or CLT based on the probability that 1 aircraft might get hit.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7707 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9428 times:

How long will this take to fix.

Does US have sufficient excess capacity.


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9344 times:

Seems to have been a static discharge accoriding to this post from a US FA (halfway down the page or there abouts).

As well, weather history for PHL around Dec 30-31 shows no TSRA activity in the area, nor any SPECIs being issues for same, so that would apparently put the 'lightning strike' theory to rest.

[Edited 2006-01-04 18:45:53]


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7543 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9139 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 10):
I live probably 15 miles east of PHL in South Jersey and while we did see some heavy rains i don't recall hearing the slightest sound of the thunder or sight of lightning

I live within 10 minutes of PHL and never heard anything of this in the morning news or newspapers (something like this definitiely would've made headlines for sure). As far as hearing thunder is concerned; the only rumbling I heard was either late afternoon/early evening on Monday Jan. 2 (at home). I didn't see any lightning though.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

Quoting BigJimFX (Reply 5):
Ok Ok You got me there, All im saying is that if there was a possibility of bad weather, they could have moved the planes. Like AA did during the hurricanes in Florida.

If that was the case, a plane would almost never be in the state of Florida, the stormiest location in the US, and one of the stormiest on Earth.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 12):
I find this very doubtful, a single aircraft getting struck over 100 times in one storm!!!

Individual strikes, wouldn't happen. Only the most severe storm cells have that kind of lightning output (100 x 3 a/c), not a storm this far north, this time of year... and that would be the total strikes from that cell... they all wouldn't be targetting 3 aircraft.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
As far as hearing thunder is concerned; the only rumbling I heard was either late afternoon/early evening on Monday Jan. 2 (at home). I didn't see any lightning though.

There were some embedded storms with the rains on Monday. So the idea of a lightning strike is very feasible, especially if the plane was approaching from the S. 100 direct strikes, not happening... 100 impacts from static discharges, possible.

One more thing as a pointer PHLBOS: If you heard thunder, there most certainly was lightning, somewhere. Thunder is a direct byproduct of lightning, and can't occur without it. It might just have been far enough off, and aloft, so that you couldn't visibly detect it... especially if it was during daylight hours as you seem to lead us to believe.


User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8791 times:

Only been hit a few times since I started flying. Worst damage was three pinoles in three places. I suppose it's thoeretically possible it could be 100 pinholes from one or two strikes? One airplane taking 100 separate strikes sounds nigh impossible. An A330 tail isn't even close to being one of the tallest structures on the airport in PHL.

User currently offlineClaude From France, joined Aug 2005, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8615 times:

hi everyone, the A330 or any modern planes aren't made to resist of lightnings? each differents parts of the plane are "normaly" connect together to let electrical current going out.. no?

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11455 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7458 times:

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 20):
An A330 tail isn't even close to being one of the tallest structures on the airport in PHL.

I stand corrected.



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User currently offlineBraniff1960 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

I live 10 minutes from PHL and heard 1 or 2 strikes at the most. As an avid weather nut in addition to an airliner nut, I can assure all of you there was NO SEVERE TSTM ACTIVITY ANYWHERE NEAR PHL. This 100 strike story is bogus.


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7543 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 20):
An A330 tail isn't even close to being one of the tallest structures on the airport in PHL.

For those not familiar w/PHL, three of the tallest structures there are the Marriott Hotel and the A-B & F (not pictured) Ground Traffic Control Towers.

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26 Tornado82 : Before you go make your Tin-foil cap, and start stocking up on non-perishables, rest assured it's not "global warming." If it was, you wouldn't be ge
27 Rdwelch : I just got the visual. LMAO
28 Tornado82 : Of the tin-foil cap? lol
29 AmericanAirFan : Besides the weather is there any substantial proof that these planes are/were out of service due to physical damage?
30 APFPilot1985 : oh man, good thing this wasn't a 787 or it would have been a w/o...right kessje?
31 US AIRWAYS : It is true that some of our A330's are still in maintenance. Don't exactly know the reason since I was down in PBI on vacation. I know LGW is still a
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33 PurdueAv2003 : As an engineer who's had to deal with my share of lightning strike repairs, I can tell you 100 strikes is not unheard of. However, when maintenance an
34 APFPilot1985 : Thank you for a well thought out and insightful post and welcome.... -Reid
35 Tornado82 : Thank you.
36 Fishe388 : Thanx for the info guys!
37 HAWK21M : Mx will carry out a Lightning check Inspection.which will illustrate the steps to be taken. regds MEL
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