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2005 Orders, Who Won? Airbus Or Boeing?  
User currently offlineElGreco From France, joined Nov 2005, 164 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

I heard this morning from Airbus that they have little bit more orders (which ones exactly?) than Boeing in 2005, not in value of course but in number of plane.

Not to restart again a battle A vs B, (or just a little bit, because it's favorite game of some here!!!) but just to close this item.


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User currently onlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

boeing was the winner this year


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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

From what I know it was Boeing.
But both are having press-conferences sometime this week (Airbus tomorrow?), so we'll know the exact numbers then.


User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

I think Boeing won more orders !




Boeing Looks To Stay On Top! + 900 Orders 2005? (by Halibut Jan 4 2006 in Civil Aviation)


http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/01/04/100bus_corliss001.cfm

Published: Wednesday, January 4, 2006

Boeing looks to stay on top


Bryan Corliss
Herald columnist


Still, the company's year-end net likely will be more than 900 planes, Conte said. The company went into its holiday break with 870 net orders - one exercised option away from the all-time mark of 877 set by Boeing and McDonnell Douglas in 1988 prior to their merger.

If Cathay is in the market, Boeing's got to be the front-runner, considering the airline just bought 777s and is often mentioned as a potential customer for the 747-8 advanced jumbo jet


Halibut


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30545 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4986 times:
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Boeing had 870 through 12/20/05.

User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Boeing is the Clear winner here!







And for the AWARD!!!




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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2208 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Airbus would have to have signed some top secret commitments over the holidays to push past Boeing but you never. In the end all that matters is deliveries and Airbus will be at the top of that list for a while.

User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30545 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4878 times:
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Quoting Wingman (Reply 6):
Airbus would have to have signed some top secret commitments over the holidays to push past Boeing but you never. In the end all that matters is deliveries and Airbus will be at the top of that list for a while.

True, but one can't have deliveries without first having orders.  Wink

Neither company has any reason but to be proud and hopeful of their accomplishments, across the board, this year.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
Neither company has any reason but to be proud and hopeful of their accomplishments, across the board, this year.

Except, perhaps, whomever led the engineering on the A340-500/-600 project.  Wink



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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Funny to read this thread now.




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User currently offlineOneworld1 From Mauritius, joined Dec 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 9):

Too true. This is a very US dominated forum. And ALL that goes with that (lack of perspective etc)


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 9):
Funny to read this thread now.

Boeing did win on value so it's not that funny.


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 11):
Boeing did win on value so it's not that funny.

Are you gonna cry ?


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 12):
Are you gonna cry ?

Are you going to grow up?


User currently offlineNW727251ADV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 13):
Are you going to grow up?

I 2nd that Glom...when will people like him grow up?

Airbus "won" in aircraft ordered...

Boeing "won" in total value...

The vast majority of A's orders were for one aircraft type...A320...shouldn't be too proud of that but nonetheless they came out on top.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Who cares who's won when either has 1000+ orders. Except you lot perhaps. Spotters - get a life.


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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 14):
The vast majority of A's orders were for one aircraft type...A320...shouldn't be too proud of that but nonetheless they came out on top.

You are the only one to talk about pride, and you are the one childish enough to say it's "only" for A320 as if it was a shame to sell narrowbodies.
I know it's hard for you to admit finally that Airbus planes are also selling well.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting Oneworld1 (Reply 10):
Too true. This is a very US dominated forum. And ALL that goes with that (lack of perspective etc)

Excuse me? I could make a similar comment about people such as yourself who are inherently anti-American. I suggest that you take the liberty of hoisting yourself on your own petard and keep such comments to yourself. It has no relevance to this forum. This thread was based upon credible media reports and the to-date trends for 2005.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 17):
This thread was based upon credible media reports

Untrue - It was based on PR spin, and nothing else. Credible needs to be accurate. This thread wasn't accurate.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

I can tell you who the real winner is: the real winners are the airlines.  Wink

User currently offlineTaromA380 From Romania, joined Sep 2005, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 14):
Boeing "won" in total value...

Wrong. Boeing could won in total value, or could lost in total value. Total values are calculated on price list, and we know that means almost nothing. If Boeing gave bigger discounts than Airbus, they could lost the value battle too.


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
I can tell you who the real winner is: the real winners are the airlines.

100% correct. Both companies did exceptionally well and congratulations to them for doing so.



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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting NW727251ADV (Reply 14):
shouldn't be too proud of that

Why not? Dropping down to the same "childish" levels you're criticising.

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 16):
You are the only one to talk about pride, and you are the one childish enough to say it's "only" for A320 as if it was a shame to sell narrowbodies.
I know it's hard for you to admit finally that Airbus planes are also selling well.

Couldn't agree more Sebolino!

Anyway, I agree with Sebolino, it is a bit amusing to read this thread now. But in the end, who cares?? Great year for both Airbus and Boeing.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 21):
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
I can tell you who the real winner is: the real winners are the airlines.

100% correct. Both companies did exceptionally well and congratulations to them for doing so.

Winners are also the suppliers who supply both OEM's with parts.....


User currently offline787engineer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 20):
Wrong. Boeing could won in total value, or could lost in total value. Total values are calculated on price list, and we know that means almost nothing. If Boeing gave bigger discounts than Airbus, they could lost the value battle too.

Actually as far as total value goes Boeing did win, since total value is what the planes are "worth", and we can really only base that on the list price of the plane. Total value would probably be best calculated from the cost to build the airplane, but that's pretty heavily guarded information. But you do bring up a good point that "profits/revenue" may be higher or lower depending on what discounts were given. After typing this up I feel like i'm simply calling you out on a technicality  embarrassed .


25 AvObserver : I congratulate Airbus where it's due and the A320 family is the undisputed preferred single-aisle transport. However, overall, Boeing is the 2005 orde
26 N328KF : I liken this to IBM's policy to the video game manufacturers. "When in doubt, back all players." So no matter whether Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo do
27 Post contains images DavidT : While being a Brit, and a big fan of the A320 series, I'm more partial to Boeing here. I'm not entirely sure how their figure of 1049 (incl cancellati
28 Anxebla : Although 2005 was the best year in the Boeing History, Airbus won again in aircraft ordered. Anyhow, I think Airbus is depending on their narrow bodie
29 Aileron11 : This was in the paper today AirBus, Boeing orders. Airbus sneaks past Boeing in 11th hour By Roger Yu, USA TODAY Strong year-end sales allowed Europe'
30 WAH64D : We will probably never know who was the true revenue winner. $10 Billion more in sales means nothing if your overheads are $20b higher than the compe
31 Jet-lagged : Overall, Boeing 'won' the orders game Total airframes - Airbus Hard orders - Boeing Total (list) value - Boeing Major wins at major airlines - Boeing
32 Zvezda : It seems the 1055 to 1002 comparison is an apples to oranges comparison due to different counting methodologies regarding China orders. If one applies
33 Shenzhen : Revenue has nothing to do with overhead costs. Cheers
34 Trex8 : manufacturing costs is probably a more appropriate term here
35 Post contains images ElGreco : Good Morning West coast, Every time you need information 2 Weeks in advance, call "ElGreco" So congratulation again to Boeing, I consider their reorg
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