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BA To PHL - Sharp Change In Fares For WT+  
User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

If any BA person here could help me with a problem that has been bugging me for the past 48 hours, I would appreciate it. I have just booked an Economy flight from LHR to PHL for the 23rd of Jan, on BA's world offer sale. When I tried finding a fare a couple of days back it offered me an upgrade to WT+ with the total return fare at around £660. I put off buying the ticket till today while I thought about it, and having decided I would like to upgrade at that price, I went back to find that the fare has risen to over £1200 for all dates. I ended up booking in Economy as planned, but rather wish I wasn't going to be seated like a sardine. Can anyone tell me why the fares jumped so dramatically in 48 hours? When I tried to manage my booking online, I was unable to request a seat for the outbound sector as the pre-allocation limit had been reached. Is there any way I can get the seat I want on that flight? Also if anyone knows what the loads on BA 067 on the 23rd of Jan are looking like, I would appreciate it if you could let me know. Sorry for the million questions, but I would appreciate the help.


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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Well, if available you can upgrade to WTP for GBP141 for the return trip. Ask at the airport.

LH423



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User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5386 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 1):
Well, if available you can upgrade to WTP for GBP141 for the return trip. Ask at the airport.

Wow. Who do you ask? My ticket does not permit any changes / upgrades. Will this still apply?



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

Yep! It's a special offered out of US airports. As long as there are seats in WTP available, you should be able to upgrade to WTP for USD250 (GBP141).

LH423



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User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 3):
Yep! It's a special offered out of US airports. As long as there are seats in WTP available, you should be able to upgrade to WTP for USD250 (GBP141).

LH423

The USD 250.00 is only one-way for departures from the USA/Canada. I don't believe the UK offers this program. Still a good deal though.

C.



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User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Loads for BA067:

23JANLHR-PHL
BA067
Dep:
LHR January 23 11:15 am
Arr:
PHL January 23 2:10 pm
F6 A5 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 V9 N9 0 0

Doesn't look busy - might change by the 23rd Jan though, especially considering the BA World Offers sale.


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Quoting TheBigOne (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me why the fares jumped so dramatically in 48 hours? When I tried to manage my booking online, I was unable to request a seat for the outbound sector as the pre-allocation limit had been reached. Is there any way I can get the seat I want on that flight?

WT+ fares are sold under two booking classes; T is discounted and the fares are cheap enough so that it works out only a few hundred GBP more to 'upgrade' from WT. There are only a certain quota of T class tickets available and when they are all gone then the fully flexible 'W' fare is only available. This usually is afair old whack over 1000 GBP and is sometimes above 2000 GBP on the longer routes.

The reason you cannot choose a seat for pre-allocation at this stage is only 30% of the cabin WT is available for pre-allocation. After this limit is reached your only way of getting a seat you want is when Online Check-In opens up 24hrs before the flight. FWIW, the pre allocation limit is 60% of cabin in Club World and 90% in First.



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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

The cheap WTP fares (using T class) have a 21 day advance purchase period on the vast majority of routes ex-LON. Even if T is open on the flight you won't be able to purchase a new ticket unless you meet the ticketing deadline.

That is why you would be charged the full W fare despite availability showing for T on that flight.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4975 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 3):
Yep! It's a special offered out of US airports. As long as there are seats in WTP available, you should be able to upgrade to WTP for USD250 (GBP141).

Not if the Fare Rules of the original ticket do not allow changes or upgrades (as was indicated).


User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Thanks for all the info. I'll make sure to check in online as soon as it opens. Thanks once again!


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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

To the OP if you are still interested in upgrading your best bet may be to hand a business card with your seat number on the back and hand it to an FA during boarding requesting the CSD come and see you ASAP. If space is available they may offer you the chance to pay to upgrade. It'll be put through the Duty Free system and make sure you keep the receipts as you can then get appropriate credit to BA Exec Club for WT+ as opposed to WT.

I think the fee is approx 200 GBP to upgrade to WT+ to the US out of LHR.

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 8):
Not if the Fare Rules of the original ticket do not allow changes or upgrades (as was indicated).

Not quite. This is a temporary flight-by-flight offer. I've seen it advertised at IAD check-in a few times. Basically my perception of this is that it comes out when BA have overbooked WT with seats in WT+ available and instead of upgrading people for free they tempt them with a cheap supplement. The impression I get is that BA couldn't care if you are booked in uber-cheap V class or Y class.

I haven't enquired further because when I've seen it I've been booked in CW  Embarrassment



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 3):
Yep! It's a special offered out of US airports. As long as there are seats in WTP available, you should be able to upgrade to WTP for USD250 (GBP141).

Does anyone know if there is a similar situation available WT+ to Club World? I've been wanting to upgrade with miles for ages, but there's never any bloody availability.



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if there is a similar situation available WT+ to Club World? I've been wanting to upgrade with miles for ages, but there's never any bloody availability.

Not that I've seen.

However use the same advice as I gave in Reply 10. It will work with Club World too. I think it is about 700 GBP to upgrade one way from LHR-US West Coast, not sure about US West Coast-LHR.



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 7):
The cheap WTP fares (using T class) have a 21 day advance purchase period on the vast majority of routes ex-LON. Even if T is open on the flight you won't be able to purchase a new ticket unless you meet the ticketing deadline.

That's the answer. If you go to the BA Booking Engine, you'll see that if you had changed your departure date from Jan 23rd to Jan 26th, you would have gotten WT+ for 688 RT/Inclusive. Of course if you had called BA to complain before booking, they would surely have suggested that. FWIW, sending them an Email is useless.


User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 12):
Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if there is a similar situation available WT+ to Club World? I've been wanting to upgrade with miles for ages, but there's never any bloody availability.

Not that I've seen.

However use the same advice as I gave in Reply 10. It will work with Club World too. I think it is about 700 GBP to upgrade one way from LHR-US West Coast, not sure about US West Coast-LHR.



Econ to WTP is available on any flight from North America to the UK where there is space available in WTP.

Econ to Club or WTP to Club is available on selected flights from North America to the UK. I think it runs between USD/CAD400 to USD/CAD600 depending on the route. It was widely available over the recent holidays.

C.



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 8):
Not if the Fare Rules of the original ticket do not allow changes or upgrades (as was indicated).

Wrong! Any ticket, regardless of fare paid (even X fare mileage tickets) can take part in this upgrade as it's not an upgrade in the system (i.e. the ticket is not being rebooked into World Traveller Plus inventory, W, T, or P fare codes). If you show up to the airport and there's a seat in WT+ and you have USD250 to burn, the seat is yours.

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if there is a similar situation available WT+ to Club World? I've been wanting to upgrade with miles for ages, but there's never any bloody availability

On certain flights, yes. But it's impossible to know before hand, as even the airports only find out 1-3 days before. From East coast airports it's (again, based on availability) M-J for USD500 and W-J for USD300 and J-F for USD400.

LH423



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 15):
Wrong! Any ticket, regardless of fare paid (even X fare mileage tickets) can take part in this upgrade as it's not an upgrade in the system (i.e. the ticket is not being rebooked into World Traveller Plus inventory, W, T, or P fare codes). If you show up to the airport and there's a seat in WT+ and you have USD250 to burn, the seat is yours.

If that's the case and it's some special promotion, then yes I could be wrong and certainly stand to be corrected. I was basing my statement on the Fare Rules of the original ticket


User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 15):
Any ticket, regardless of fare paid (even X fare mileage tickets) can take part in this upgrade as it's not an upgrade in the system (i.e. the ticket is not being rebooked into World Traveller Plus inventory, W, T, or P fare codes). If you show up to the airport and there's a seat in WT+ and you have USD250 to burn, the seat is yours.

Can you then use that to join the Executive Club even if your original ticket is not available to be upgraded?



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User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 17):
Can you then use that to join the Executive Club even if your original ticket is not available to be upgraded?

No. As LH says, there is no change to your ticket so if the purchased fare isn't a qualifying fare for membership to the Exec Club then you still won't be able to join. The receipt you get for the flat fee upgrade specifically says something like "Frequent Flyer miles based on original fare purchased."

C.



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Quoting AirNZ (Reply 16):
If that's the case and it's some special promotion, then yes I could be wrong and certainly stand to be corrected. I was basing my statement on the Fare Rules of the original ticket

It is a promotion offered out of the US and Canada only. I think you can also pay on-board but then the price becomes payable in pounds which, given current exchange rates, is quite a bit more. USD250/CAD350 out of East Coast/Midwest airports, I believe a bit more out of DEN, PHX, LAX, SFO, SEA, and YVR. I believe the idea is to A) put the word out a bit more on WT+ and b) on overbooked flights in WT try and sell some of the upgrades that will need to be done anyway to make a little extra revenue.

Quoting TheBigOne (Reply 17):
Can you then use that to join the Executive Club even if your original ticket is not available to be upgraded?

No. Again, because this is an at-airport upgrade and it's simply a charge on your credit card and nothing is being changed to your actual reservation, eligibility requirements to join the Executive Club remain the same (first flight must have at least on segment in a Y, B, or H economy fare or higher). For example, if you buy a ticket using M inventory and you buy the upgrade to World Traveller Plus, you get the seat but your ticket stays booked in M inventory which doesn't allow eligibility to join the Executive Club.

LH423



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User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Quoting LH423 (Reply 19):
No. Again, because this is an at-airport upgrade and it's simply a charge on your credit card and nothing is being changed to your actual reservation, eligibility requirements to join the Executive Club remain the same (first flight must have at least on segment in a Y, B, or H economy fare or higher). For example, if you buy a ticket using M inventory and you buy the upgrade to World Traveller Plus, you get the seat but your ticket stays booked in M inventory which doesn't allow eligibility to join the Executive Club.

Thanks LH 423. That really clears it up for me.



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User currently offlineBA001Concorde From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 94 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 18):
The receipt you get for the flat fee upgrade specifically says something like "Frequent Flyer miles based on original fare purchased."

Just a friendly reminder to my colleagues out there...

Let's not forget to add the endorsements on the receipt.



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User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Quoting BA001Concorde (Reply 21):
Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 18):
The receipt you get for the flat fee upgrade specifically says something like "Frequent Flyer miles based on original fare purchased."

Just a friendly reminder to my colleagues out there...

Let's not forget to add the endorsements on the receipt.

The endorsement is scripted in PRS and is automatically added to the receipt so hopefully the majority of receipts have this endorsement. If not, then it was done in "native" and the ticket agent didn't add it.

C.



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