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Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand?  
User currently offlineAirnz777pilot From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

Does any one know if the A380 is going to fly two New Zealand for a tour, or will any airlines operate the A380 in and out of New Zealand.


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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6956 times:
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Emirates has said that it will fly the A380 to AKL from Dubai via Melbourne. I do not know about Christchurch but I assume that it will go there to because the A380 will replace the current A345 direct service to SYD which continues to CHC.

The only other airline I could see flying the 380 here is Qantas.

[Edited 2006-01-05 09:58:57]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6945 times:
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Yes, EK have confirmed A380 services to AKL. Maybe QF could do some AKL-LAX flights

User currently offlineKiwi Dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6933 times:

I was under the impression that CHC isn't ready for the A380 in terms of runway width for its wingspan

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6924 times:
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Quoting Kiwi Dave (Reply 3):
I was under the impression that CHC isn't ready for the A380 in terms of runway width for its wingspan

IF CHC was not ready then possibly what could happen is that both direct flights from DXB to MEL and SYD will continue to AKL meaning 2 A380's at AKL each day!, and then extending the 773ER service DXB-BKK-SYD onto CHC.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6394 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

AKL need to extend their viewing platform because anyone wanting to see the A380 won't be able to do so from the terminal as they have built the extra floor of pier segregation so no one is able to see the new pier. This could mean annoyed visitors. AIAL will need to hurry up and build more A380-sized gates.

Oh, and BTW, does Thai's A346 pose parking problems at AKL?



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2244 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6904 times:
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I think CHC is capable of taking of taking the A380, runway wise. Its just the taxiways need a little widening, I think. I agree as above, EK is definite, and I think QF will eventually fly the A380 AKL-LAX. I doubt it will be seen in CHC for a very long time.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6894 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
I doubt it will be seen in CHC for a very long time.

Unless a diversion from AKL thou


User currently offlineAirnz777pilot From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6894 times:

Yea thank for the info but I think that CHC does have a long enough but then again i'm not sure if its wide enough


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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6893 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
I think QF will eventually fly the A380 AKL-LAX

If they do I do not think it will be for a while. QF will need to put the 380 on routes from Australia to the U.S.A where their 744's are currently restricted. They then will need to put them on services to europe via asia to offer a more competitive product against EK, SQ e.t.c. They are only getting 12 aren't they? AKL-LAX can easily be done by a 744 can't it?

If QF were to fly 380's to AKL I would expect it to be a quick trans tasman sector from SYD/BNE or MEL

[Edited 2006-01-05 10:27:09]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6844 times:
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Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 9):
If QF were to fly 380's to AKL I would expect it to be a quick trans tasman sector from SYD/BNE or MEL

Well thats how QF currently does all their AKL services.


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7082 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6806 times:

I saw the Thai 346 at AKL parked at gate 6 the other day. There SEEMED to be no problem, but I read in the paper that the 346 was a struggle to park when airlines brought it in to AKL

User currently offlineZKNEA From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 151 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6731 times:

I was under the impression that a lot of airports still don't have taxiways wide enough (see photos of the A380 in SYD, or so I thought). Anyone here work at CHC and know of any planned construction?

I am a passenger on EK412 quite regularly and as much as I would like the A380 to fly the current route, would it be financially viable? considering on the 30th Dec 05 I think there were only about 60 odd pax in economy SYD - CHC (the FA's told me but I forget these things). Other threads talking about the EK express option (idea/rumour/...) question how much cargo the A388 can carry. If these are all correct perhaps they won't take the A380 to CHC?? Also if this is the case I would have thought we will only see 1 EK 388 in AKL (but then again I haven't flown an AKL flight recently so don't know how the loadings are).

Just my thoughts.


User currently offlineKiwi Dave From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 895 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

I can't see the A380 flying to CHC on a regular basis but I am willing to be proven wrong

User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6602 times:

I read somewhere that AKL only has one parking bay for the A380 - and that is a remote stand.
From what I read of the article, it made out that only bay was needed at the most.
I really think they need to have atleast 2 of these, for example when EK fly in a daily A380, and there happens to be a diverted QF flight, or one that gets delayed.
Does anyone know if this has changed? Having one A380-sized bay doesn not seem sufficient.


User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7082 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

Would SQ fly one to AKL in the future?

Eg. Scrap the 744 and 772 flights and just have 1x 388 instead of 2 pretty much 2 daily flights?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6581 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 15):
Would SQ fly one to AKL in the future?

Eg. Scrap the 744 and 772 flights and just have 1x 388 instead of 2 pretty much 2 daily flights?

I hope not ... the two flights operate at very different times and allow very different connections over SIN - consolidating into one would reduce the choice of SQ destinations available without having to stopover in SIN .



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User currently offlineAirnz777pilot From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

I'm not sure but I read in a magazine that Emirates has 3 daily flight in and out of AKL, and what will AKL do if they end up having all there flights operated by the A380, plus maybe a QF A380 and also a SQ one.


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User currently offlineAerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2672 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

I thought the long-term plan for SQ was twice daily into AKL with 773s.

An A380 on the Mel-AKL sector will be overkill in the extreme. I fly this route about three times a year on either EK or NZ and the EK loads are usually very light. I understand the freight element of it, but surely there is a point where even the cargo doesn't cover costs.

And from what I'm hearing, the A380 is more of a package freighter rather than a heavy duty bulk freighter, the latter being what most of NZ's exports are, no?


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 5):
Oh, and BTW, does Thai's A346 pose parking problems at AKL?

Yes it does. It can only be docked at gate 6 currently.

EK won't put 3 A380s a day into AKL until they have a decent fleet of them established - I would extremely doubt BNE or MEL flights would get them any time soon, if ever. QF will just stick with the 744 through AKL too, their LAX flight while always having a very good load would never warrant the extra J/F capacity compared to some of their other routes.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 15):
Eg. Scrap the 744 and 772 flights and just have 1x 388 instead of 2 pretty much 2 daily flights?

For SQ I think we can safely say that AKL is not a priority for them (regarding
A380s) and we are extremely unlikely to see them in the next 4-5 years except maybe for the odd seasonal capacity increase. Frequency is definitely favoured rather than capacity for SQ for AKL - partly because of profit and partly because airlines here know that AKL International Terminal really can't handle it which creates problems for everyone.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6385 times:
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Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 19):
I would extremely doubt BNE or MEL flights would get them any time soon, if ever

We all know that BNE will not get the 380 untill at least some sort of 345 or 346 non-stop service has been established.
MEL however, I would say that MEL would get the 380. Melbourne was the first destination in Australia for Emirates and it was pushed up to twice daily before Sydney ever was.
Emirates has said that it intends to fly the 380 into AKL. So does that mean that the current DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL route will be the 380 route? I highly doubt so as the new A380's will have to compete with SQ and QF's A380's on the 'kangaroo route,' meaning the most direct possible way to europe.

Both SYD and MEL will get A380's and probably from the beginning as EK said Australia will be amongst the first destinations to get the new aircraft.

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 19):
QF will just stick with the 744 through AKL too

They will sitck with the B744 on the AKL-LAX route because the 744 can do it without restrictions un-like SYD and MEL-LAX, but I think that there is a possibility that we will see some maybe on trans-tasman routes to get crew used to the new aircrafts - similar to what SQ does with the 345 to Jakarta and NZ with their 777's flying between NZ and Oz.

[Edited 2006-01-06 05:46:08]

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6361 times:
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Quoting Airnz777pilot (Reply 17):
I'm not sure but I read in a magazine that Emirates has 3 daily flight in and out of AKL

Yes, EK have three daily AKL flights.


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
MEL however, I would say that MEL would get the 380. Melbourne was the first destination in Australia for Emirates and it was pushed up to twice daily before Sydney ever was.

It will go to Australia - That has been established, what I meant is that I woul dbe surprised if the continuing flights transtasman won't be with the aircraft.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
Emirates has said that it intends to fly the 380 into AKL.

They also didn't name the specific route. I think maybe that EK has a new route they could well operate in lieu of one or other of the trans tasman routes. I'm thinking direct competition with one or other of the Asian competitors.

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 20):
I think that there is a possibility that we will see some maybe on trans-tasman routes to get crew used to the new aircrafts - similar to what SQ does with the 345 to Jakarta and NZ with their 777's flying between NZ and Oz.

Possibly, but looking at our existing flights into AKL I'm not sure they will unless they reschedule some of them. And one thing QF have in their favour above any other airline trans tasman are their timings for the business travellers. Take today's schedule for example.

0:55 QF39 FR MEL 763 6:00 QF34 TO MEL 763
3:00 QF7623 FR SYD 763 9:00 QF164 TO SYD 763
5:05 QF53 FR ADL 738 6:15 QF54 TO ADL 738
23:50 -1QF49 FR SYD 763 6:30 QF40 TO SYD 763
6:05 QF26 FR LAX 744 7:45 QF26 TO BNE 744
12:25 QF163 FR SYD 763 13:50 QF190 TO SYD 763
14:20 QF119 FR SYD 763 15:50 QF120 TO SYD 763
14:45 QF33 FR MEL 763 16:15 QF134 TO MEL 763
18:00 QF25 FR BNE 744 19:40 QF25 TO LAX 744
23:50 QF49 FR SYD 763

They seem to be at the wrong time of day either for SYD/MEL or AKL to be extensions of the longer haul flights as the SQ/NZ flights are. I also feel that a jump from a 763 to a 380 is unlikely too. They aren't going to be able to turn around an A380 in a 90minute slot (especially at AKL) that's for sure. QF have enough trouble with their 763s at times.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2244 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6290 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
Yes, EK have three daily AKL flights.

Soon to be 4 per day, as I was told by an EK engineer recently.

NZ1


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6280 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 23):
Soon to be 4 per day,

So either PER or ADL flights or another flight from the current three


25 Planemanofnz : Could be double daily from MEL - extending the current DXB-SIN-MEL service onto AKL? I'm putting my money on ADL though. I don't understand what you
26 NZ107 : Do Emirates still plan on a hub in AKL? I'm surprised you're not putting anything on Asia. NZ needs some competition on the AKL-PER flight. If MEL goe
27 Planemanofnz : EK has said that no they are not and that it was never their intention to do so. I think New Zealand will only ever be an add on from Australia for E
28 AerorobNZ : In the first post I was meaning I didn't think that the EK A380 would make an appearance on the trans tasman run, I wasn't meaning EK won't fly to Au
29 ZKNEA : I agree. AKL and CHC (from what I heard) were opened as the aircraft flying to the east coast of Australia were sat on the ground there for upwards o
30 MotorHussy : It's not entirely implausible that NZ won't order 6 A380's in the not too distant future for the daily AKL-LAX-LHR-HKG-AKL (and return) run! Then the
31 Airnz777pilot : is Air NZ really looking into the a380???
32 Planemanofnz : Exactly this has already been said by the President of Emirates, Tim Clark in the December 2004 edition of Australian Aviation. He said, "We are keen
33 SunriseValley : What makes you believe that the A380 won't be restricted LAX-MEL? QF ( and SQ) have already admitted as much by reducing the number of passengers fro
34 NZ1 : No we are not. Too big for our current and future network needs. NZ1
35 Antskip : I have been flying Emirates Mel-AKL many times a year for the past few years, and the last six months every flight has been well over 90% full. Many
36 Post contains links Planemanofnz : If you look at my post that you are quoting (reply 9) you will see that I never said that the A380 was never going to be restricted, I said, "where t
37 Aerorobnz : I didn't say that - think you may have been meaning to quote aerokiwi. Working around the airport I know exactly the kind of loads EK are getting and
38 ZKSUJ : A bit off topic. When are the ATR fleet scheduled or pprojected to be replaced?
39 Antskip : Sorry, mate. It was my first post to the forum. I was of course replying to "aerokiwi". The recent change of planes used on the Mel-AKL sector from B
40 NZ1 : Not for a while yet I'd say. NZ1
41 Aerokiwi : Aside from an unexpected upgrade to business on a CHC-MEL sector an an A345, I've yet to experience this supposed amazing standard that Emirates is su
42 Antskip : No, I don't work for Emirates. though their crew seem a pretty happy lot. I am very happy to report my positive experiences! I have been suffering fo
43 Airnz777pilot : According to an air NZ ATR pilot air new Zealand is looking at buying some of the more modern ATR's. but i'm not sure.
44 Airnz777pilot : Thats what his son was telling me.
45 MotorHussy : There was a time when that was said about the 747. Regards MH
46 NZ1 : Thats true. I remember that. But seriously, where would we operate the A380 to? At the best you could buy 3 and do the AKL-LHR-AKL route with it I su
47 ZKSUJ : I could see the A388/389 doin AKl-LAX. But if AKL-LHR goes 2x daily with 744/748, then would there really be a need for the 380 on that route? I'd say
48 Mr AirNZ : A fleet review is planned for the ATR's in the near future. More ATR's are just one of the options that will be looked at.
49 777ER : Isn't the current ATRs NZ operates the most advanced ATRs? Thats where the Q400 options come in also
50 ZKNEA : Breath mate breath.... However, according to the Weekend Dominion Post (paper version so no link) EK had some of the highest pax increases last year
51 ZKSUJ : Yeap, we have the ATR72-500s also known as the -200As
52 NZ107 : Yes, the ATR 72-500. Why would they replace them so early anyway? I saw in one of the aviation magazines midway through last year (or later) that the
53 Aerokiwi : From what I understand, the D84 is actually quite a different bird from the other D8 series aircraft, so swapping the ATRs for D84s (though I love the
54 ZKSUJ : Is there any info out on the 747-9 or the 747-10 yet? What would be the differences from the 748? I'm picking its just increased capacity.
55 Mr AirNZ : Ah yes but they cost more to operate and suck a lot more gas. The fleet review has not actually begun and ATR are looking at further improving the 72
56 Post contains links KiwiinOz : http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3&ObjectID=10362860 Article in this morning's Herald that covers some of what's already been discusse
57 NZ107 : Yes, and if you compare the average age of the Link fleets before replacement (Embraer, Saab), it won't take 10 years or so to get a new aircraft dev
58 AerorobNZ : Interestingly it made DXB-AKL-DXB sound they most likely of the routes they would operate.
59 Aerokiwi : I thought it was a pretty useless article in today's Herald. It promised to disucss ways in which the A380 would change air travel but very quickly de
60 Post contains links SunriseValley : take a look for yourself. Go to http://theaviationspecialist.com/787_family.gif
61 Mr AirNZ : Yes for Air Nelson. They preferred the Q300 from the start Yes maybe so but things still take time and Mt. Cook are in no hurry to rush things along,
62 777ER : Yes, this was part of the Air Nelson Saab340 replacement
63 ZKNEA : Aerokiwi - all valid points, I've heard similar things just never experienced them myself. I'll put this one to rest now, however if I were you I'd be
64 NZ107 : NZ1, just another point - If an A380 needed maintenance in AKL, would it be able to fit into the hangar?
65 NZ1 : No it wouldn't. Maybe could be nosed into the 747 hangar, but thats about it, due to the config of the docking etc. NZ1
66 DJ738 : a LITTLE off topic??? I just about missed out completely on this very interesting thread re: the ATR... can we PLEASE start new threads when starting
67 Post contains images Shenzhen : Will The A380 Fly To New Zealand? I sure hope it doesn't sail there Cheers
68 RichardJF : With the emphasis at the moment on democracy in the middle east was there likely to be any linking of air traffic rights and democracy and will the el
69 ZKSUJ : Sorry!!! Just didn't want to start a new thread on something which could be answered in 1 reply. Accidently posted in the wrong post, was meant to be
70 ZK-NBT : Well since I havn't posted in this yet. Yes the A380 will fly to AKL anyway. It will fly atleast once daily which is a regular scheduled service. Prob
71 Aerorobnz : Judging by something I heard the other day from someone at work that Jetstar was going to pretty much takeover the AKL transtasman operation when gra
72 ZK-NBT : Ok AeroRob, sounds interesting. QF would surely continue the AKL-LAX sector though?! I'll admit that my last post may or may not be a little over the
73 Aerorobnz : probably. That's the most probable IMO. To be honest I hope the government restricts flights/capacity for EK out of NZ to protect a rather large inve
74 Antskip : It would be interesting to know EK's view of the prospect of having Jetstar rather than QF on the AUS-Auckland run. I would think they would actually
75 ZKNEA : Pardon me??!! You do realise how large the ME is don't you? And that there has been no push for democracy in the Arabian Peninsula. And the fact that
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