NW727251ADV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7484 times:
"WOW!" is an understatement. That's wonderfully tremendous. Boeing does kinda deserve this I think...and not because of my patriotism. Don't mean to bring them into the mix but I have to...I wonder what Airbus's offical order tally is for 2005? I know they received a boatload of orders for the A320 alone. It seems as though Boeing can officially be declared as #1 for new orders in 2005 but I say that loosely. Congrat Boeing!
UAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 538 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7341 times:
Atnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 586 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7288 times:
It's was a great year for Boeing, no doubt!!! The interesting thing about the orders, is that BOEING didn't need the Qantas order to pass the 1000 mark, as you can all see, they don't list Qantas, because it probably wasn't signed...
So that means that we can already say that Boeing starts strong on this new year, with 65+ orders for their 787 from Qantas... that alone is a great start!!!
Congratulations to Boeing... great company and great products!
PS: I also do congratulate Airbus, it was a record year for them too!! They lost the title of most orders for this past year, will the loose the title of biggest manufacturer (production and deliveries) in the coming years? We'll have to see when and if that happens.... until then, we have 2 winners for this past year, Boeing and Airbus records years, with Boeing in the lead of order and Airbus still ahead in deliveries.... Can't wait till this year ends and see who ends up on top!
C680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 531 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7244 times:
1002 is a very large number indeed.
Now Boeing needs to deliver product on-time and equal to, or better than, projected performance.
The whole composite program is a high risk proposition. At least now Boeing has verified that there is a reward for taking such risks. This can only lead to good things for aviation and the traveling public in the form of lower costs, prices, and higher quality.
Lets not forget that Airbus has also had a fantastic year with the first flight of the A380, and significant orders for the A350. But right now, Boeing has momentum, and that can be a powerful force - until the pendulum starts to swing the other direction.
C680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 531 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7224 times:
Press Release Source: Boeing Co.
Thursday January 5, 9:00 am ET
-- 1,002 net orders (1,029 gross) surpasses 877 net orders reached in
1988
-- Record order totals posted for 737, 777 and 787 programs
-- New program launches are also key 2005 highlights
SEATTLE, Jan. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE:
BA - News) recorded 1,002 net commercial airplane orders during 2005,
setting a new Boeing record for total orders in a single year.
The 2005 total surpasses the previous Boeing record of 877 net orders
in 1988, which includes both Boeing and then-McDonnell Douglas
totals; the companies merged in 1997. Boeing posted 272 net orders
for commercial airplanes in 2004. Gross orders in 2005, which exclude
cancellations and conversions, totaled 1,029.
Three airplane programs -- the 737, 777 and 787 programs -- also
achieved individual records with net orders of 569 for 737s, 154 for
777s and 235 for 787s. Previous record totals for these programs were
438 737s in 1996, 116 777s in 2000, and 56 787s in 2004. The 747 and
767 programs also had a very successful sales year with 43 and 15 net
new orders, respectively.
Orders finalized since the Dec 20, 2005, update include 68 737, 777
and 787 airplanes for Air India, 20 737s for China Southern Airlines,
10 737s for dba (formerly Deutsche BA), 6 737s for Hainan Airlines, 5
737s for Shanghai Airlines, 4 737s for China Eastern Airlines, 5 737s
for Shenzhen Airlines, 4 737s for WestJet, 2 737s for Turkmenistan
Airlines, 8 787s for Lcal and 2 787s for Continental Airlines.
In total, more than 72 different customers ordered Boeing airplanes
in 2005, including passenger airlines, cargo carriers, leasing
companies and private customers. The 2005 totals include 28 aircraft
from customers who wish to remain unidentified as of Jan. 4, 2006.
"Clearly, 2005 was an incredible year for our customers and for
Boeing," said Alan Mulally, Boeing Commercial Airplanes president and
chief executive officer. "We continued to stay focused on bringing
efficiency and value to the airlines of the world through world-class
services and airplanes that fly passengers how they want to fly --
point-to-point, nonstop, with more frequencies and more choices."
"We also solidified the transformation of our product line, and the
market validated our strategy with every order during the year," said
Mulally. "Our new portfolio of airplanes from 100 to 450 seats,
combined with our global support services, put us in a great position
for the long term."
"We look forward to 2006 and continuing to meet our commitments to
our customers," Mulally said.
Notable highlights for Boeing Commercial Airplanes in 2005:
-- Launching the 747-8 Intercontinental, 777 Freighter, 737-
900ER, and the 767-300 Boeing Converted Freighter -- and offering customers a larger Boeing Business Jet, the BBJ 3.
-- Achieving firm configuration on the 787 Dreamliner and
reaching several other major program milestones, including building the first
composite fuselage sections and unveiling the 787 flight deck.
-- Establishing a new world record with the 777-200LR Worldliner
for distance traveled nonstop by a commercial airplane,
demonstrating that this airplane can connect nonstop virtually any two cities in the world.
-- Producing outstanding results in Commercial Aviation Services,
which completed and delivered the first 747-400 Boeing Converted
Freighter, and won new customers for the Electronic Flight Bag, Airplane
Health Management and Maintenance Performance Toolbox. CAS also
responded to increasing customer demand for around-the-clock support by
opening its first integrated operations center.
-- Continuing efforts to dramatically improve the quality and
productivity of the Boeing production system, including completing the
sales of the Wichita/Tulsa and Arnprior operations, which are now valued
partners to Boeing and suppliers to the entire industry.
-- Delivering the final 757, marking a successful 23-year
passenger airplane program that sold more than 1,000 airplanes.
-- Deciding to conclude production of the 717 while celebrating
its legacy of introducing moving production lines to Commercial Airplanes.
Starrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1081 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7183 times:
And when I asked the question after the AC/AI orders if Boeing could hit the 1000 mark everyone thought I was looney tunes.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 7111 times:
The problem for Boeing in signing these in late Dec rather than early Jan is that beating Airbus again in 2006 will be that much more challenging. I think Airbus have a real chance of winning the order count in 2006. If Boeing win it again, then we can confidently assume that Boeing will exceed Airbus in deliveries by 2009.
AKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2101 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6990 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14): The problem for Boeing in signing these in late Dec rather than early Jan is that beating Airbus again in 2006 will be that much more challenging.
Notice that the Qantas order isn't listed. Assuming they sign it in the next month or so, Boeing will have a nice start to the new year. There's always the looming SQ order, which could also happen soon.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6936 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 14): The problem for Boeing in signing these in late Dec rather than early Jan is that beating Airbus again in 2006 will be that much more challenging. I think Airbus have a real chance of winning the order count in 2006. If Boeing win it again, then we can confidently assume that Boeing will exceed Airbus in deliveries by 2009.
Boeing has some pending or potential orders that will get them started off well for 2006:
Firming QF 787s
Winning QF ULH RFP
Winning SQ RFPs
Winning SU midsize widebody RFP
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Glom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2803 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6892 times:
LCAL 787 order is twice as big as originally promised. CO has upped their 787 order. AI 787 order is 7 more than originally promised as is their 777 order. There are now 5 UFO 777s.
I see though that even with these extra orders, they are still lagging behind in narrowbodies despite not having the final count from Airbus.
The reports haven't been updated yet though.
Woah! What's this about 277 order last year and 240 orders the year before. Fortunes have certainly changed for Boeing in a year. This deserves a movie.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11370 posts, RR: 50 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6755 times:
Congratulations to Boeing, a quite staggering year.
Although we don't have Airbus's final total yet, I can't see them having more than 850 (even so, their best ever sales year as well!)
2006 will be interesting, with both having large pending commitments to firm up. I'd be very surprised if orders didn't return to a more normal level this year.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5163 posts, RR: 49 Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6740 times:
Quoting Glom (Reply 18): AI 787 order is 7 more than originally promised as is their 777 order.
AI has exercised their options.They were to order 35 firm plus 15 options on the 777/787 originally but I believe they decided to order all of them firm. That's why you see more 787 and 777s from AI.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5163 posts, RR: 49 Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6718 times:
Correct me if I'm wring but of the 70 737NGs that CAAC ordered from Boeing it looks as if 50 have been firmed up:
China Southern - 20
Hainan - 6
Shanghai - 5
China Eastern - 4
Shenzen - 5
Xiamen - 10
What about the other 20?
Also dba firmed up 10 737s but didn't they say they were going to order 40 737NGs? What happened to the other 30?
GARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2313 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6697 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 17):
You become #1, until your backlog is so big and your competition so desperate that they got more orders in 2005.
That's more childish and stupid than the comment you replied too.
Congratulations.
Back on topic:
2005 was without a doubt a record breaking year for Aviation. 1002 orders is nothing to scoff at and will be hard to beat. I'm not all that confident 2006 will see as many orders for A or B as 2005 yielded. that sort of explosive ordering can't continue forever and anyway, there are almost no airlines left to order... lol
But, lets hope 2006 DOES yield as many if not more orders
Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1808 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6691 times:
Congratulations to Boeing!
Quite an impressive figure.
This return to success is to the credit of all employees who have worked very hard for it to happen.
But...who's going to build all these planes?? (just kidding)
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11370 posts, RR: 50 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6665 times:
Quoting GARPD (Reply 22): But, lets hope 2006 DOES yield as many if not more orders
With combined A & B sales for 2005 likely to exceed 1,800, I can't see how 2006 can even get close.
Four more years!
25 N328KF: I'm sure BCA executives are crying in their champagne over this one.
26 Citation X: Congratulations to both A & B. Keep the competition going for the benefit of CIVIL AVIATION!! That's most important.
27 NYC777: Total orders and committments for the 787 are now 379 that leaves Boeing only 21 orders away from reaching 400!! They've firmed up 291 total since lau
28 Tifoso: Airbus would be smart to hold back on signing a few orders, so that they appear in next year's totals; that would give them an edge over Boeing. Let'
29 Lumberton: If this information on "Options & Rights" is correct in this Wikipedia entry, Boeing has long since passed 500 "orders and committments". According t
30 StuckInCA: An amazing year indeed. I was going to comment on how everyone on this board should be pleased with a year such as this in the aviation business... b
31 NYC777: Actually it's correct. The 45 is broken up between Jetstar (10) and Qantas (35) on the Wikipedia web site.
32 KC135TopBoom: Who is the UFO for the B-767 order?
33 Starrion: "Airbus would be smart to hold back on signing a few orders, so that they appear in next year's totals; that would give them an edge over Boeing." Eit
34 BoeingFever777: Awesome and way-to-go Boeing and there 777/787 Programs. Not to kill this beautiful thread... what was Airbus total orders?
35 Tifoso: Signing a firm deal a week later than when it was originally scheduled is not going to hurt anyone, especially if a MoU or LoI has already been signe
36 WINGS: According to Flight International, Airbus will be announcing their order tally on the 17th of January. From Flight International, Lack of clarity over
37 SKGSJULAX: That's correct. The higher we are, the harder we will fall. All of us should beware of the "experts" who are ready to pounce on the industry for "ord
38 N328KF: Right, since it wouldn't affect the delivery schedule at all. The shareholders won't care if Air India signed in the last week of December or first w
39 Jamesbuk: well with 1800 orders last year ( read that earlier in the thread ) thats 1800 / 365 =4.93 orders per day average which is really amazing
40 BoomBoom: "Credit Suisse First Boston sees Boeing having a 54% share of '05 large airplane orders compared to rival Airbus's 46%. In value terms, however, it ex
41 DAYflyer: Here is a qoute from another article: Credit Suisse First Boston recently predicted Boeing would have a 54 percent share of 2005 large airplane orders
42 Scbriml: a) - Yes, for 2005 for the first time for several years b) - Unknown till both Airbus and BCA provide their full year figures. I believe after 9 mont
43 FCKC: As mentionned above , Airbus will reveal their exact order number on Jan 17th at Paris.Probably will be around 900 , depending if they count the 70 A3
44 N844AA: The article wouldn't load for me, so I'm unclear as to what the excerpt meant. Does it mean that orders finalized in the next few weeks might count t
45 NYC777: The Indigo order is already counted in Airbus totals for November.
46 Scbriml: Basically, they were alluding to the fact the Airbus has more "pending" orders than Boeing, and if (it's too big a one in my opinion), they were able
47 AerospaceFan: I agree! I'm very happy for Boeing. And to think that a few years ago, people were saying that perhaps Boeing would concede the entire commercial air
48 Astuteman: Congratulations to Boeing for an immense performance.! FWIW, Boeing CA (Note CA) Revenues Q3 2005 $4 913 m Earnings Q3 2005 $238 m Operating Margin 4.
49 Ncfc99: I have only started to follow aviation closely this year. Can anyone give me some thoughts as to why this year has seen a tripleing of orders above th
50 Ikramerica: that's not the point of the comment. it was the value of the orders and profit, which should favor boeing with the huge advantage in wide bodies this
51 Ikramerica: I think part of it had to do with two products: 787 and 773ER. They forced many major carriers to think about their futures now because the planes of
52 Ikramerica: BTW - while i can't see the 737/320 surge continuing like that, there are many of those orders still to be firmed so they will net in 2006. But the ne
53 Astuteman: "Now that Boeing has ...higher profit/financials" can only refer to published figures. Future financial performance is pure speculation, regardless o
54 Ncfc99: Thanks for the answer lKramerica. Another question. How far into the future do A & B offer slots, as surely the lack of slots at a sensible time in th
55 N328KF: Airfleets.net can be sometimes inaccurate, but I think this will suffice for our purposes. AA/CO/DL have the following amount of aircraft in the Y1 (
56 N844AA: If DL's around in the Y1 timeframe, then I absolutely agree that Boeing can count on its orders. However, there's a nontrivial chance DL will be gone
57 Lightsaber: Let me add my wow! Keeps people like me employed! Ok, I'm R&D, so its the new stuff... but same idea. Ok, I agree with not differing orders, but for
58 Ikramerica: Yeah, i included WN and didn't total all their planes in that class for a few reasons: CO, AA, DL, WN have plenty of new jets in this range that have
59 11Bravo: That may well be the case, but that capacity requirement will still exist. If DL goes down, another carrier(s), will pick up that capacity. I think i
60 N328KF: Actually, that would be around 500 frames for WN. Sorry, I forgot to add them in. The newer 737s will have to be replaced at some point, even if it's
61 LY777: wow!!!1002! it's absolutely fantastic!!!congrats!!!what about Airbus?How many orders for 2005?
62 Ikramerica: since WN will be a launch customer, I'd say we can count on their order... no, we know they will be based on Y1, but they could be Y1NG at that point,
63 Skywatch: Congratulations Boeing! I was hoping they would make that number...and they did! What an accomplishment! A great year for Airbus too! Happy 2006 ---Sk
64 FriendlySkies: Don't forget Ryanair...that's probably another 300 Y1...UA could go either way and will probably be a while before they replace the 320s.
65 N328KF: You're picking nits and missing the point.
66 Jonathan-l: January 17th is the date for the EADS press conference when order and delivery tallies will be announced.
67 BoomBoom: Check out this link for a breakdown of Boeing orders: http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm 2005 Orders: 737-569; 747-43; 767-15; 777-1
68 Shenzhen: Maybe you should quote free cash flow, removing all the stock buy backs and other non costs associated with the true cost of manufacturing, supportin
69 AMSSFO: Impressive number! Congrats to Boeing! Just out of interest: The tally shows 27 cancellations: B717: -14 B737: -5 B747: -5 B767: -4 Whose were these?
70 Ikramerica: No, I'm not. the development costs of the Y1NG can't be ignored, so you can't just count the 1-5 year old 738s an airline has with the 20 year old 73
71 PanAm_DC10: That's right, 1 for Austrian and 2 were 738s for LOT, the other 2 were today only so we don't know yet, until site fully updated. The 5 747 cancellat
72 B707Stu: You made me remember my beloved B707 and what a risk that was in the day. Boeing has always been a company, at its best, that takes calculated market
73 N328KF: I've heard the number "250" thrown about several times, but I've heard the same number for the A350 and A380, so I think more clarification on this p
74 AerospaceFan: I would agree! Such planes as the 707, 727, and 737 -- best-selling and innovative. In fact, it's no surprise that the 717 is the last of MD's old
75 Manni: Let's be realistic here. Breaking even on 250 to 500 units, for an aircraft that will cost about 10 billion US$, with a list price of roughly 140 mil
76 N328KF: Why? At 500 units, Boeing only has to amortize across the batch to the tune of $20mil each. If their manufacturing costs are lower than previous airc
77 Tifoso: Eh? If we assume that Boeing sold the first 200 frames at $70 million each, which is a 50% discount (very conservative), revenue = 70 million * 200 =
78 AerospaceFan: Correction: Considering that the 737-600 has about the same capacity, I withdraw my comment. Boeing has not in fact bowed out of the 100 pax market.
79 Manni: The 787 started of with a listprice far lower than it is today, another 10 million should be taken out for the engines. Altleast NH and QF have possi
80 N328KF: The "low side" I was referring to was the low side of what it might normally sell to. Not everyone will get Qantas or ANA prices. I was sort of givin
81 Tifoso: Can you quantify far lower? I remember this thread RE: Boeing Raises 787 Prices (by USAF336TFS Dec 24 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2510800. According to
82 Sabenapilot: I thought it was useful to revitalise this topic, since it contains many questions, which can now be fully answered.... For example: DAYflyer- just wh
83 Atnight: Hate to say this, but you should not be so fast so speak... that comment was just totally destroyed with Airbus record of sales...... next time be sl
85 Sabenapilot: I'd love to hear our 'expect' Mr. Richard Aboulafia on his in-depth analysis on Boeing's return to the top in 2005..... Wonder if he is still so convi
86 PlaneDane: Did you mean to refer to Mr. Aboulafia as an 'expect' or an 'expert' when you were criticizing him yet again here?
87 Sabenapilot: Indeed, I've meant to write 'expert', but I must have made a typo and it seems even the spelling checker has difficulties now with this word in relat
88 Keesje: Last quoted (according to Goolge News) Jan 8. Which is a very long period for him. Boeing elbows past Airbus; critics cry fluke “If these trends co
89 Wiggidy: Oh I feel terribly sorry for you and the rest of the cheerleaders. I hope you all like the taste of words. I would deffinately agree about Mr Aboulaf
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