Tr1492 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 109 posts, RR: 0 Posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2184 times:
Anyone out there know what will happen to USAirways large 737-2,3 & 400 fleet once the Airbus's are delivered and fully on-line? Of course, I know this may be a moot point due to the US-United merger, and I have read threads here that their MD-80's and DC-9's are most-likely goners, the F100's may hang around for a while, and I know there are many other variables involved (delivery schedules, new routes, the merger, etc.).
So, for the sake of duscussion, lets pretend that USAirways is not merging, and the 400+ order for A319, 20 & 21's is going forward. Now, based on that simple scneario, what will they do with all those 37's? I assume that MetroJet may get some, but we're talking a huge amount of planes! Anyone have any ideas or information?? Tried searching here earlier and came up with no earlier posts on this (hope I didn't miss one!).
PS - No Airbus vs. Boeing crap allowed here!!!!!!!!!
AC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
The startup carrier from Halifax, CanJet, is taking 6 737-200's with deliveries starting this month, and they are negotiating for more. I expect a lot of the rest of the fleet will be spread around to various new or small operators as well. I hate to say it, but there's also some possibility that the desert will grow a little more crowded with aluminum, as well...
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
Assuming no merger, the 737-300's and some -400's would probably be
used to replace the 737-200's in the Metrojet fleet. Remaining 737-300
and -400's would replace MD80's, DC9-30's, and 737-200's that are in
the mainline fleet. Some of the oldest 737-300's (the first planes were
delivered in 1984) would probably be retired or mothballed as the A319
and A320 deliveries continue.
If the merger goes through, all bets are off. The 737's might be used
on either coast.
One of the fundamental problems at US Airways, aside from their very
concentrated but expensive to operate route network, is the lack of
fleet commonality and different model types with parts that are not
interchangeable. US Airways also has antiquated work rules that go
back to pre-merger days and in many ways, the workforce was never
Mcomess From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 66 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2002 times:
I believe all -200s are going to Metro before the end of the year. I think they will keep the -300s and the especially the -400s until more of the airbus fleet arrives. Then, they will either go to Metro, or be sold. USAirways operates quite a few ETOPS -400s which they use for overwater flights like PHL-MIA, CLT-Grand Cayman, CLT-Burmuda, etc. I don't know (I'm not sure anyone knows this early) what the fate of these will be. As for the DC-9s, I'm relatively certain that they will be sold off (probably go 3rd world), being that MetroJet wants to be a 737-only carrier.
However, all this could change due to USAirways somewhat "sticky" financial situation. Their earnings and stock are way down, and with the merger going back and forth, the future of the airline appears very much at stake. Without the merger, I wouldn't be surprised if they cut their Airbus order way back and sold off some of their current fleet, and postponed modernization. Personally, I don't think this would be smart, as Frank Lorenzo proved with Continental that cost cutting and downsizing can only hinder and jeopardize your business. As a customer, I hope USAirways doesn't choose this route.
RyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1387 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
Looking at their fleet, there are still some 300's and 400's that are in the old color scheme. I would figure if they had plans to paint them, they would have already been painted by now, so my thought is that those will be retired along with the DC-9's and MD-80s. The rest of the 200's will be sold off to other airlines, while the remaining 300's and 400's start adding to and replacing Metro Jet's aircraft as soon as more airbus' become available.
MAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1934 times:
I agree with BA, with one tangent: I see the 737-200s leaving US and the 737-300/400s continue on with US then migrate to MetroJet until enough A32X are in strength for mainline US operations.
Overall I dont see the UAL/US merger going forward given the HUGE anti-trust issues the Justice Department will present, although this depends who wins this fall in the Presidential Election also! Who gives 'Carte Blanche' versus who challenges it is a large question. That should be an easy one to answer but it's not.
I believe several US state attorneys-general will challenge it further if the Justice Department challenge fails, further tying it up in similar vein as the states have become involved in the Microsoft anti-trust effort -If it goes this far-. Adding a few years to this whole thing.
If US stays as it's own, (As I hope it will) I expect it to hold onto it's 733/734 fleet a quite bit longer to handle the load for expansion that may occur with a re-entrenched USAirways and MetroJet that will expand internally.
With MetroJet, I see a great amount of potential in growing that operation with the 733/734, with the A32X series forming the backbone of mainline US operations. The older 733s get sold or leased off to various concerns as time goes by (as they already have been doing for some time), with the 734 as the 'standard bearer' eventually for MetroJet within 5-7 years. In the future, if this pans out, the fleet at US will probably consist of a 734/752/762/Airbus fleet.
I view the proposed US/UA merger to be extreme to say the least and I dont believe it will go through. I'm pulling for US though, I dont want to see them go away and believe their seperate identity and competition are truly a great +plus+. They have come a *long way* in a quite short, and frantic amount of time, the potential for them is truly big.
USAirwys4Lyfe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (13 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
First off, I am glad to others who like and support USAirways to operate by themselves successfully!
Next, I think all the predictions that have been made are pretty much correct. The A319s have already been replacing the USAir 737-200s (i.e. the CLT-PHX route). I'm pretty sure the DC-9-32s and MD-80s are on their way out (finally!) and the newer 737s will become MetroJet's.
The use of the 30 A330s on order will be for int'l (duh) and the A321 will be used for transcontinental service when it arrives next year. The new aircraft are being intorduced at approx. one a week.
Also on a side note, I flew on the A319 last weekend and I must say they are REALLY nice.
MAC_Veteran From Taiwan, joined Jun 1999, 726 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1883 times:
How is the takeoff performance on the A319? Last I've flown on an A32X series was January 1999 on a TransAsia A321-100 (IAE equipped). I was quite impressed with it, it was a quite warm afternoon on departure from Tainan Air Base in Taiwan enroute for Taipei-Sungshan. Waited for two ROCAF IDF fighters for a routine patrol or training mission to depart, then it was our turn. We were fully loaded it appeared, A321 rocketed up off the runway around 5000 feet used, neat watching the city fade below from a -what-seemed-to-be-45-to-60 degree angle (LOL). Arriving at TSA, had to go around once due to ATC, flying a box immediately around the Taipei downtown airport (over the mountainous areas east and south of TSA) then it was our turn. Smooth landing, off to the terminal. Wanted to do it again. (G)
I cant imagine how the "LittleBus" performs though with those CFM's slung to it. (G) Do they have individual PTV's on them or the overhead monitors that look like laptop displays that fold out? TransAsia had those.
US521 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
All of US Airways non Airbus Planes are to be Sold, Scraped or to be put in storage. That includes all 737's, 757's and 767's. If you notice all the planes in old colors are to go first. The planes that are to last longer were painted in new colors. The Md-80's, Dc9's and 737-2 are to go first then comes the reest of the 73's and F100's then the 75's and last the 76's. UAL is also in the process of increasing their airbus fleet. So they will keep the process going of replacing us's non airbus fleet.
AirT85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1864 times:
Hi! i just flew home on a USAirways Airbus A-319 yesterday, flight 292, i love that plane! CWAPilot, no complaints here, just IM me hehe. Anyways. It was a great flight. I love the seating, very wide for a smaller plane. Take-off is excellent, very smooth, that plane has got some power. Not as noticable as B-757 with RR engines(my fave! ) but its got some goin for it. I love the A-319 and the A-320. i will finally be able to compare US and UA tomorrow, im going ot Montana with church on United. I wanna see whose service is better. I hope US's is lol. And if it is we know it doesnt mean crap to UA when they merge. USAirways warm and friendly image will be lost forever to the American Airlines wannabe. Hehe j/k
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10787 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1856 times:
I have not heard that all non-Airbus jets will be sold and I doubt that any of them will be scrapped. Even the older jets have plenty of life left in them. The DC9s, 732s, and MD80s will probably be sold to startups, or to other nations' airlines. The other 737s and F100s have a bit longer life in the system. The F100s are fairly new, and none of the Airbus order would make even a half decent replacement for them. The 733s and 734s will find themselves in the Metrojet fleet, and if the UA merger goes through, the MJ fleet will simply be renamed Shuttle by United.
USAirwys4Lyfe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
The takeoff performance of the A319 was pretty good. I haven't flown on the B757, so I can't compare it with that, but it still had some 'kick.' But better than the takeoff was the landing which is the best I've ever experienced. I complimented the pilot on the way off and he was very happy to hear that. There were no PTV's on the A319- just the flip down LCD screens which were easy to see. The US A321 might have PTVs when it is used for transcon service next year. We'll have to see.
Philly phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 1812 times:
I fly US weekly including to/from TPA twice a month. Most of the time I fly a 757 PHL to TPA and A319 TPA to PHL (sometimes the reverse). The 319 is a good climber, but I cannot tell it to be much different than a 737. That said, I like the A319s very much. [I like the A320, but I believe the A319 is a better all around airplane since it is lighter but has the same engines.]
The 757 is a whole different ballgame. Take-offs in a 757 (especially up front) are enjoyable. I still remember a 6:00am PHL to TPA flight in May 1999, with only 15 passengers on it (I was the only person in 1st), where the 757 exploded off the PHL runway like a rocket (well in advance of the UPS facility). I've never been on a commercial flight that took off and climbed like that. Definitely an "e-ticket" ride.
Imkeww From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (13 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1791 times:
Metrojet will *NOT* be renamed Shuttle by United I assure you. Por que? Because United rebranded it into United Shuttle a while ago. Quite a dilemma. Maybe United will turn the present United Shuttle into Metrojet West?
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (13 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
The 737-200's will be gone soon. The 737-300 will most likly fly the MetroJet lines. The 737-400, will replace the MD-80 fleet. The 757 won't leave. It is one ofthe biggest money makers US Air has. The A321 will be a new addition to the fleet...not a replacement. An example would be that United did not phase out 757 lines when the A320 came around. They just work together.
Mlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (13 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 1767 times:
US cannot seriously contend on using their 321s for transcon service. If they intend on such routes as PHL-LAX/PIT-LAX, it can only be operated during the winter months with any hope of a profitable load.
The performance of 321s in hot climates with full loads has detrimental effects on its range performance. Their 752s are going to mainline their transcon service.
Perhaps their 321s will operate LGA-MIA service...an uncharted route with high potential.
I mean, for the right price I’ll fight a lion. - Mike Tyson
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10787 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (13 years 5 months ago) and read 1748 times:
Geez louise! Nit nit nit.
The point was that Metrojet won't disappear, it may get renamed, but its form and function will probably remain the same. Who knows, US Shuttle might get renamed something else so that Metrojet can become United Shuttle. (unlikely though, as you may expect.)
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7860 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1721 times:
In my opinion, if the United/US Airways merger fails, I expect the following to happen:
1. MetroJet will continue to exist, but the 737-200 fleet will either get Stage III hushkits or be retired (the latter more likely the chance). MetroJet will likely get the 733/734 fleet US Airways now flies.
2. The 400+ plane Airbus order will be honored. US Airways will be flying the A319/A320 on their shorter regional routes and A321 on their longer regional routes. They will take the full 30 plane A330-300 order for trans-Atlantic service from PIT, PHL and CLT.
3. The fleet of MD-80's, 733's, 734's, and F100's will be phased out, with many 733/734 planes going to Metrojet and the rest sold off.
4. The 757-200 fleet will still remain and may get major mid-life upgrades. They will be used for US West Coast to PIT/PHL/CLT non-stop routes.
25 RyeFly: The A330 will get transcontinental flights before the A321 would. US Airways has already stated that. I can see the A321 used on flights such as Charl
26 D L X: Ray, The 732s are already stage III compliant, or they wouldn't be flying today. Also, the 319 and 320 have longer range than the 321, so I would expe
27 MEA-707: US Airways has been trimming down its DC-9, 732 and 733 fleets for years, and I imagine that continues (now with the MD-82s too being parked), most of
28 D L X: I agree with pretty much everything in the above post except that Southwest won't be getting any US 733s. At least not for a good price. US simply won
29 RayChuang: Unfortunately, the downside of hush-kitting the 737-200 is that you do reduce the range of the airplane (and possibly increase its fuel consumption pe
30 D L X: US Airways 732s are already Stage III compliant, so if they needed hushkits, they already have them. Also, the MJ jets are not placed on long range ro