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Any News On Lufthansa Dropping SCL On LH526?  
User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2369 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3493 times:
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Hi,

flying on LH527 in early april this year, I wonder if anybody can shed some light on the rumours about the possibility of Lufthansa dropping SCL with the summer timetable. I myself can't imagine LH doing that thought they have pretty weak pax loadfactors on the GRU-SCL leg.
I'm booked in Business class on this flight and the customer attendant said she does not know anything about the drop of SCL.

Mario
LH526


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Amadeus still shows the usual routing via GRU on the A346 in April. Even when they drop the flight, I am sure that LH will rebook you on a RG flight from GRU to SCL, one RG flight is operated by the 738, another is operated by the MD11.

Patrick


User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Oh no, you'll have to change your username if that happens!  eek 

Take it easy, Mario! And a happy new year to you!

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2369 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3225 times:
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Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Amadeus still shows the usual routing via GRU on the A346 in April.

Yeah, Amadeus was the first source I consulted ... however those LH rumours say that final decisions are to be made this month.

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Even when they drop the flight, I am sure that LH will rebook you on a RG flight from GRU to SCL, one RG flight is operated by the 738, another is operated by the MD11.

Most definitely .. I just wonder why LH hold strong to it's weak SCL slot and not passed it on to RG ... the SCL loads (in my eyes) never could be profitable for LH .... I think there's some slot poker gambling going on.
A.net rumours say the LX probably will get LHs slot and the route will be served with an LX A340 on a ZRH-GIG-SCL like routing ... we will see.

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
Oh no, you'll have to change your username if that happens!

I was on the threshold of doing that when LH dropped EZE as stopover from it's LH526 routing ... remember my posting "The end of LH526 as we know it", in accordance of some doom Nostradamus proverbs like "The end of the world as we know it" Damn ... love for aviation and paranois strikes deep!

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 2):
Take it easy, Mario! And a happy new year to you!

I'l take it more than easy as I'm currently looking for a good container charter company offering 40" containers that will take good care of all the safetycards I will bring back from my Chile trip.

Happy new year to you to ... also to your girlfriend, Niklas and Jasper!

Mario
LH526



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3177 times:

Something is definitely in the air for LH526. For the entire summer, there is no availability to GRU, but one can book seats, albeit not cheap ones, to SCL. Here is what the availability looks like for all dates I have checked for the summer:

15AUG FRA SCL LH526 C9 D9 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

15AUG FRA GRU LH526 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

My guess is that LH is not planning to close SCL, but that options are being contemplated as to the future routing of the flight. Could it be that a FRA-GIG-SCL is being considered, or is a return of FRA-EZE-SCL together with a terminator FRA-GRU in the air?


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
My guess is that LH is not planning to close SCL, but that options are being contemplated as to the future routing of the flight.

I second this.
As LH accepts bookings for FRA - SCL only (with the timetable stating "layover at GRU"), but no flights FRA - GRU are on sale, LH either is uncertain on where the stop will be or LH wants to fill the cabin with SCL-pax only (trying to direct FRA-GRU pax to LH 502 & the RG flight, BEFORE opening up the res´system for FRA-GRU bookings on LH526).

Just speculations,
HT



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User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3147 times:

Apparently, LH will be suspending the second daily SAO flight with the beginning of the summer schedule. The SAO-SCL would then be operated by LX on behalf of LH on the basis of a wet-lease agreement. However, this is just an option currently being evaluated by LH and no decision will be announced until the end of this month or next.

I've also heard that LH is considering doing the same with LX on the BKK-KUL route. However, at the moment, it's really more a case of assessing the options.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 6):
Apparently, LH will be suspending the second daily SAO flight with the beginning of the summer schedule. The SAO-SCL would then be operated by LX on behalf of LH on the basis of a wet-lease agreement. However, this is just an option currently being evaluated by LH and no decision will be announced until the end of this month or next.

That ia what I have heard before as well, and I just checked the reservation systems for this option. Interesting:

14AUG FRA SCL LH526 C0 D0 Z0 Y0 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
15AUG FRA SCL LH526 C9 D9 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
16AUG FRA SCL LH526 C9 D9 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
17AUG FRA SCL LH526 C9 D9 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
18AUG FRA SCL LH526 C0 D0 Z0 Y9 B0 M0 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
19AUG FRA SCL LH526 C9 D9 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0
20AUG FRA SCL LH526 C9 D9 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 H0 Q0 V0 W0 S0

There are two days of the week, where there is consistently no availability to SCL: Monday and Friday. These are exactly the days when LX doesn't operate into GRU. It seems as if Lufthansa is indeed contemplating the option of having LX operate the GRU-SCL sector, and no longer operate LH526 at all.

This leaves the question whether LH502 will be the only remaining LH flight to Southern South America in its current format, or whether the airline plans to reinstate nonstop Buenos Aires service.

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 6):
I've also heard that LH is considering doing the same with LX on the BKK-KUL route. However, at the moment, it's really more a case of assessing the options.

There has been a lot of talk about LX's dropping Singapore and changing its operation into a terminator . However, for the time being, LX flights into SIN are still wide open for booking. As such, Lufthansa could not use LX equipment for tag on flights into SGN and/or KUL.


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1826 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 7):
There has been a lot of talk about LX's dropping Singapore and changing its operation into a terminator . However, for the time being, LX flights into SIN are still wide open for booking. As such, Lufthansa could not use LX equipment for tag on flights into SGN and/or KUL.

The thing is, SIN is very likely to be dropped. However, the alternative has not been decided on yet, which would either be a code-share on the LH flight from FRA, the SQ flight from ZRH or a TG flight from BKK to SIN. The add-on BKK-SIN hasn't been making any money for LX for a while now. Whereas operating to KUL as a wet lease on behalf of LH would be rather lucrative seeing as LH would be paying for the whole thing! Not sure it'll actually happen though.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 8):
The thing is, SIN is very likely to be dropped. However, the alternative has not been decided on yet, which would either be a code-share on the LH flight from FRA, the SQ flight from ZRH or a TG flight from BKK to SIN. The add-on BKK-SIN hasn't been making any money for LX for a while now.

Nothing new there. Singapore has been in the red forever, from the days I was still there when there were 3 weekly nonstops (ZRH-SIN-CGK/SGN) together with 4 weekly direct flights (ZRH-BKK-SIN).

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 8):
Whereas operating to KUL as a wet lease on behalf of LH would be rather lucrative seeing as LH would be paying for the whole thing! Not sure it'll actually happen though.

Interesting line of thought there by Lufthansa to use idle LX equipment for tag ons with light loads. They might contemplate the same thing at HKG, where an LX A340 is sitting on the ground for a couple of hours and could be used for a quick MNL turn around. However, that would require the FRA-HKG to be reschedule although connectivity with the soon to be daily MUC-HKG flight would be guaranteed.


User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2369 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3060 times:
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HB-IWC, thanks for your inpout and showing us the Amadeus output that coincides perfectly with the LX schedule. Now that is interesting development!

It lookes like there won't be a LH operated LH527 leg on april 9th. That's where my upgrade is booked to and at least I hope to get it on either LX or RG. But the WORST would be to fly that pseudo Business class on Varigs 738 Sad

Mario
LH526



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
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Hi Mario,

Quoting LH526 (Reply 10):
HB-IWC, thanks for your inpout and showing us the Amadeus output that coincides perfectly with the LX schedule. Now that is interesting development!

Note that LH in Brazil offer only one GRU-FRA after april/06 and shows LX flight to ZRH with connection to FRA or RG thru MUC. Seems that it could be real in the near future. But no confirmations yet.

Quoting LH526 (Reply 10):
But the WORST would be to fly that pseudo Business class on Varigs 738

If you fly on the morning flight probably will be a M11 or a 777 (Varig some days sends it's best metals to SCL, but it's not usual anymore). The 738 runs the night flight SSA-GIG-GRU-SCL, early morning SCL-GRU-GIG-SSA.

There's a lot of speculations in Brazil concerning to LH operations, and as soon as it comes clear i will try to give you.

Regards
Felipe



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