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Reuters: Boeing Tops Airbus In Orders For 2005  
User currently offlineKJFK31L From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 148 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Reuters has just reported that Boeing has officially logged 1002 orders compared to Airbus' under 1000. Reuters is also reporting that most of the Airbus orders are for its A320. Chinese Airlines have expressed interest in 150 A320s-- if these become firm orders, Airbus' 2005 total arrives at 971 aircraft orders.

Yes, it appears that Boeing has surpassed Airbus in 2005. But as we have discussed, this is open to change. What is most important about this Reuters release is a comparison of 2004 with 2005. Boeing logged a mere 272 orders in 2004 while Airbus logged 370. This is a significant increase for both companies.

As we begin the first few weeks of 2006, what directions will we see for the future or aerospace, and what can we derive from the 2005 sales increase? Why such a large jump in sales?

I thought it acceptable to open up such a discussion in light of Reuters release of such important information.

Matt


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Here is the actual article:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...C_0_UK-TRANSPORT-AIRBUS-BOEING.xml

I was surprised to read that ANA is expected to order a bunch of new airplanes soon...Maybe Manni is justified in his anticipation of an A380 order....I would certainly be surprised.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Maybe its time for a third aircraft manufacturer to come up to the plate and take a piece of the pie? 2005 orders will keep plants running for at least three years.
However, I would like to see comparisons of number of seats sold. I would assume that Boeing would have sold more 'seats' than Airbus because a lot of A380 sales had been finalised before 2005 and many of Boeing's sales for the year were of 777 and 787 planes.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 2):
Maybe its time for a third aircraft manufacturer to come up to the plate and take a piece of the pie?

The Chinese just might decide to jump in the fray:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-01/06/content_509989.htm


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30572 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4508 times:
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Quoting N79969 (Reply 1):
I was surprised to read that ANA is expected to order a bunch of new airplanes soon...Maybe Manni is justified in his anticipation of an A380 order....I would certainly be surprised.

Perhaps it's NH Cargo for more 748Fs? NH Cargo is seperate from NH, but the media don't always make the connection.

I can't see NH ordering A380s - or 748s, for that matter - after having so recently "committed" to the 773ER for their long-haul widebody fleet...

[Edited 2006-01-06 18:08:53]

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Perhaps it's NH Cargo for more 748Fs? NH Cargo is seperate from NH, but the media don't always make the connection.

Are you thinking of NCA? They are entirely separate from ANA now and their purchases would not be considered an act by ANA.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5732 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4397 times:

Ok Rueters is reporting Boeing at net 1002 and Airbus at 971 but is the Airbus number net of cancellations and conversions or is it a gross order number?


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User currently offlineKJFK31L From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

What does the amazing increase in orders mean for the aerospace industry in 2006? Is this increase only the result of the release of new aircraft by each company or does it go beyond this? This is what I hoped to discuss in this forum.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
Ok Rueters is reporting Boeing at net 1002 and Airbus at 971 but is the Airbus number net of cancellations and conversions or is it a gross order number?

It is a gross number, I believe, but the number is dependant upon the Chinese airlines converting their interest in 150 A320s into FIRM orders.

Thanks for the input!


Matt



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4116 posts, RR: 90
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4172 times:
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Quoting N79969 (Reply 5):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Perhaps it's NH Cargo for more 748Fs? NH Cargo is seperate from NH, but the media don't always make the connection.

Are you thinking of NCA? They are entirely separate from ANA now and their purchases would not be considered an act by ANA.

That's just it. NCA used to be partially owned by ANA whom have since sold out of NCA. This has left them in need of pure freighters. We have recently seen them order 763Fs and sign up for the 767 Cargo Conversion program. Though, if my information is correct, they have no large Freighters since all the 747Fs went to NCA. I believe they are in the market for long haul Freighters, 767Fs to be used on a regional basis, so in my opinion, we could see an order for 748F or 772Fs. As for PAX aircraft, be interesting to see what RFP they have outstanding.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

I get what you are saying. So NCA exists on it's own, but ANA still has it's OWN cargo arm, and they need jets?

As for the big aircraft order from ANA pax, one can expect that if it would be for more 773ER aircraft and 787s now that more is known about them both (firmed configurations and the 773ER in service performance), and possibly a 748/380 order, but I doubt that.



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4116 posts, RR: 90
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4130 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
and they need jets?

That is correct sir

As for PAX models, I am of the opinion, which I can only support with a link from last year, if required, that they will place follow on orders for the 773ER as part of their PAX requirement.

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User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting KJFK31L (Thread starter):
Boeing logged a mere 272 orders in 2004 while Airbus logged 370. This is a significant increase for both companies

What a spectacular year for Boeing and Airbus!


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4029 times:
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I thought that A380 was out for Japanese carriers because landing fees in Japan are by weight? Anyhoo, it probably is something that they have to consider in ordering new aircraft.... Is it worth it?

I know that their competitors will be flying it to Japan, but in the long run, I don't think that it will matter. ANA will probably go for the 747-8ER.



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