Incitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3924 posts, RR: 14 Posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5794 times:
It seems to have gone unnoticed that Continental passed Northwest as the fourth largest US carrier measured by mainline operations.
For November 2005, CO pumped 5644 million rpms (revenue passenger miles) as opposed to NW's 5475 million rpms.
For December, CO did 6180 MM rpms vs NW's 5817 MM.
The company is not without challenge: Relationship with COEx and Delta copying Continental down to the timetable. Nevertheless, it shows they have a winning strategy and capable leadership.
Lt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 5404 times:
Well I remember Houston-IAH being the most ontime airport in the US, at least on the summer press release, how did it go the rest of the year?
On a side note, I flew through Houston-IAH the Thursday before Hurr. Rita and it was an experience that I applaud CO for. Being a native Houstonian, and having gone through Alisha in 83, I was not old hat, but I must say I had seen nothing like it. The airport was a ghost town re: shops and screeners and even some CO employees. Flying in over US-59 and IH-45 and seeing the backlog of miles of traffic, I couldn't believe CO had the employees there that they did. BUT CO got our jet off, even after a MX issue, and did it with a smile. Great stuff from my Hometown airline.
Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, A Houston tradition since 1975
MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 5381 times:
Well, I was in EWR two days ago, and it was rather bad delays wise. But kudos to CO -- I like them the most among American airlines. I like especially how the frequent flyer miles post a day after you fly on the website. It's not that hard to do in this day and age.
MasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 4974 posts, RR: 7 Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5249 times:
CO started exceeding NW numbers in the summer of 2004 during some months. It became a regular thing in 2005. They don't make a big deal of it, although they do call themselves the 5th largest airline in the world.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5158 times:
Quoting N200WN (Reply 12): Of course. I think your just bad news all around, lol. We all know what happened the day you bought a ticket on Southwest.
Not only did that tragedy happen, but we also got more snow than expected that morning here... just luckily the plows were on top of it. Maybe Texan airlines and I don't get along... that's why AA knows better than to come to ABE, and for good measure dropped mainline from PIT too just in case I ever move back home.
Jumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4977 times:
The size of an airline is based on several factors. Amount of employees, number of planes, number of emplanements,and lots of other factors. I think for this conversation, we might want to use emplanements.
This list was compiled for January to September, 2005.
The listing is as follows WN, DL, AA, UA, NW, US, CO, HP, American Eagle and FL. This information can be found on the BTS website.
N200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4183 times:
Quoting Jumpseat70 (Reply 15): I think for this conversation, we might want to use emplanements.
This list was compiled for January to September, 2005.
The listing is as follows WN, DL, AA, UA, NW, US, CO, HP, American Eagle and FL.
If WN is at the front of the list then you're only talking about domestic US enplanements. I think the original question was "largest US carrier" as measured by RPM's. If you want to relate that to enplanements then maybe we should include all mainline enplanements, both domestic and international, to get a bigger picture.
EWROwznj00 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4076 times:
There was an article in the New York Times today about Continental. The reporter sat down with Bethune and asked him what makes Continental great. It was a pretty good article, and hit the nail on the head with a lot of his points about what CO does right for passengers.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3847 times:
Quoting N200WN (Reply 16): If WN is at the front of the list then you're only talking about domestic US enplanements
Everyone one of those 777's going overseas makes up for at least 10 of WN's domestic 737's in RPM's... regardless of WN's impressive utilization. A whole bunch of short hops don't add up RPM's like a round trip across the pond(s) and back.
Only after combining the two merged companies for the full calendar year; the merger wasn't completed until the end of Q3, though. For the fourth quarter and for December, 2005, Southwest was larger than US/HP:
2005 RPMS: US+HP - 66,651 million; WN - 60,223 million
2005 ASMS: US+HP - 87,565 million; WN - 85,173 million
Q4 RPMS: US - 14,982 million; WN - 15,139 million
Q4 ASMS: US - 20,213 million; WN - 21,749 million
Dec. RPMS: US - 4,856 million; WN - 4,994 million
Dec. ASMS: US - 6,726 million; WN - 7,382 million
Given that Southwest was up 15% in RPM's for the quarter year-over-year while US Airways was down 7%, it's likely that WN will be larger than even the "new" US for the foreseeable future.
Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter): It seems to have gone unnoticed that Continental passed Northwest as the fourth largest US carrier measured by mainline operations.
I'd also add that Continental was up over NWA for the fourth quarter as well, with 17,677 million RPM's vs. NWA's 17,195 million RPM's. Continental had an extremely impressive December; in spite of the current level of fuel prices, they nearly broke even on an operating basis.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6440 posts, RR: 33 Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3602 times:
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20): Everyone one of those 777's going overseas makes up for at least 10 of WN's domestic 737's in RPM's... regardless of WN's impressive utilization. A whole bunch of short hops don't add up RPM's like a round trip across the pond(s) and back.
Actually, it's more like five, not ten, for ASM's. Perhaps six for RPM's if you consider that CO's load factor tends to be higher than Southwest's. Southwest's average 137-seat 737 flies a bit over 7 trips per day at an average of 612 miles per trip. That's 587,000 ASM's per airpcraft per day. Continental's 283-seat 777-200ER can probably manage a 10,000 mile round-trip each day (the 11,400 mile EWR-TLV round-trip requires slightly more than one aircraft-equivalent per day, since the return arrives 45 minutes after the outbound), for 2,830,000 ASM's per aircraft per day. This is roughly five times what Southwest does with its 737's.
Interestingly, the world's second-largest fleet of 737's belongs to Continental.
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3223 times:
Quoting Gilligan (Reply 1): And we just found out that we are getting our on time bonus for December operations which means the other airlines must have really melted down.
After re-reading that it sounded pretty harsh. Hope I didn't offend anyone. I meant melted down in respect to the weather not any airlines operation. It was a pretty tough month weather wise at our hubs and with all the holiday traffic plus extra flights and yet we still managed to rise to the occasion. Good work fellow CO employees. One nice thing to see industry wide was no computer meltdowns or baggage nightmares like last year.