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Continental: Fourth Largest US Carrier  
User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4021 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

It seems to have gone unnoticed that Continental passed Northwest as the fourth largest US carrier measured by mainline operations.
For November 2005, CO pumped 5644 million rpms (revenue passenger miles) as opposed to NW's 5475 million rpms.
For December, CO did 6180 MM rpms vs NW's 5817 MM.

The company is not without challenge: Relationship with COEx and Delta copying Continental down to the timetable. Nevertheless, it shows they have a winning strategy and capable leadership.


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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6138 times:

And we just found out that we are getting our on time bonus for December operations which means the other airlines must have really melted down.

User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 1):
And we just found out that we are getting our on time bonus for December operations which means the other airlines must have really melted down.

It works! Work Hard Fly Right!


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Well I remember Houston-IAH being the most ontime airport in the US, at least on the summer press release, how did it go the rest of the year?

On a side note, I flew through Houston-IAH the Thursday before Hurr. Rita and it was an experience that I applaud CO for. Being a native Houstonian, and having gone through Alisha in 83, I was not old hat, but I must say I had seen nothing like it. The airport was a ghost town re: shops and screeners and even some CO employees. Flying in over US-59 and IH-45 and seeing the backlog of miles of traffic, I couldn't believe CO had the employees there that they did. BUT CO got our jet off, even after a MX issue, and did it with a smile. Great stuff from my Hometown airline.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, A Houston tradition since 1975


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Well, I was in EWR two days ago, and it was rather bad delays wise. But kudos to CO -- I like them the most among American airlines. I like especially how the frequent flyer miles post a day after you fly on the website. It's not that hard to do in this day and age.

User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 1):
And we just found out that we are getting our on time bonus for December operations which means the other airlines must have really melted down.

SWEET!  bigthumbsup  I love working for CO!



Is it broke...? Yeah I'll fix it.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

Well Done CO!!!  thumbsup 

And of course, well done CO Employees!  thumbsup  thumbsup 

There's a reason CO is my favorite carrier . . . . now, if you'd just fly something ANC-(SEA)-CLE-CID I'd be beyond words!!!
Alas, I'm stuck on NW or UA.


User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 1):
And we just found out that we are getting our on time bonus for December operations which means the other airlines must have really melted down.

dad just got home from YUL. Delayed 2 hrs. from CLE and 1 hr to CLE (weather). Not very happy with CO, but then I politely reminded him that it was snowing.  Wink



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User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5882 times:

BTW, which carriers are numbers one, two and three?


--cslusarc from YWG
User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 8):
BTW, which carriers are numbers one, two and three?

I would think AA, UA, and DL (in that order).

BTW, where does WN rank on this list?

Congrats CO!

JetBluefan1



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User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5464 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5830 times:

CO started exceeding NW numbers in the summer of 2004 during some months. It became a regular thing in 2005. They don't make a big deal of it, although they do call themselves the 5th largest airline in the world.


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5821 times:

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 3):
Well I remember Houston-IAH being the most ontime airport in the US, at least on the summer press release, how did it go the rest of the year?

Except that day I got stranded there, lol. But then again, I wouldn't have wanted to be on that ERJ in the TSRA+ anyways.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 9):

BTW, where does WN rank on this list?

Just below US/HP.. I think 6.


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 3):
Well I remember Houston-IAH being the most ontime airport in the US, at least on the summer press release, how did it go the rest of the year?

Except that day I got stranded there, lol.

Of course. I think your just bad news all around, lol. We all know what happened the day you bought a ticket on Southwest.

And way to go Continental!

[Edited 2006-01-07 05:59:21]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21534 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 7):
Delayed 2 hrs. from CLE and 1 hr to CLE (weather). Not very happy with CO, but then I politely reminded him that it was snowing.

weather doesn't count. he got home, despite the snow. what's he bitching about?  Wink



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

Quoting N200WN (Reply 12):
Of course. I think your just bad news all around, lol. We all know what happened the day you bought a ticket on Southwest.

Not only did that tragedy happen, but we also got more snow than expected that morning here... just luckily the plows were on top of it. Maybe Texan airlines and I don't get along... that's why AA knows better than to come to ABE, and for good measure dropped mainline from PIT too just in case I ever move back home.


User currently offlineJumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Dear JetBlueFan1,

The size of an airline is based on several factors. Amount of employees, number of planes, number of emplanements,and lots of other factors. I think for this conversation, we might want to use emplanements.

This list was compiled for January to September, 2005.

The listing is as follows WN, DL, AA, UA, NW, US, CO, HP, American Eagle and FL. This information can be found on the BTS website.


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting Jumpseat70 (Reply 15):
I think for this conversation, we might want to use emplanements.

This list was compiled for January to September, 2005.

The listing is as follows WN, DL, AA, UA, NW, US, CO, HP, American Eagle and FL.

If WN is at the front of the list then you're only talking about domestic US enplanements. I think the original question was "largest US carrier" as measured by RPM's. If you want to relate that to enplanements then maybe we should include all mainline enplanements, both domestic and international, to get a bigger picture.


User currently offlineRAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4728 times:

We may be 4th in size but 1st when it comes to service. We take pride in our customer service. Thanks for the positive posts.


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User currently offlineEWROwznj00 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

There was an article in the New York Times today about Continental. The reporter sat down with Bethune and asked him what makes Continental great. It was a pretty good article, and hit the nail on the head with a lot of his points about what CO does right for passengers.

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/tsc.ht...Q27Q5E80Q27Q27Q2F_Q3F8L)0Q266csiIR

You have to register with them to read the whole article.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

Quoting N200WN (Reply 16):
If WN is at the front of the list then you're only talking about domestic US enplanements

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Everyone one of those 777's going overseas makes up for at least 10 of WN's domestic 737's in RPM's... regardless of WN's impressive utilization. A whole bunch of short hops don't add up RPM's like a round trip across the pond(s) and back.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6781 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 9):

BTW, where does WN rank on this list?

Just below US/HP.. I think 6.

Only after combining the two merged companies for the full calendar year; the merger wasn't completed until the end of Q3, though. For the fourth quarter and for December, 2005, Southwest was larger than US/HP:

2005 RPMS: US+HP - 66,651 million; WN - 60,223 million
2005 ASMS: US+HP - 87,565 million; WN - 85,173 million

Q4 RPMS: US - 14,982 million; WN - 15,139 million
Q4 ASMS: US - 20,213 million; WN - 21,749 million

Dec. RPMS: US - 4,856 million; WN - 4,994 million
Dec. ASMS: US - 6,726 million; WN - 7,382 million

Given that Southwest was up 15% in RPM's for the quarter year-over-year while US Airways was down 7%, it's likely that WN will be larger than even the "new" US for the foreseeable future.

Quoting Incitatus (Thread starter):
It seems to have gone unnoticed that Continental passed Northwest as the fourth largest US carrier measured by mainline operations.

Nope. I posted a thread to this effect a month ago: Continental Passes Northwest As U.S. #4 For RPMs. A whopping 3 replies (of which you were one).

I'd also add that Continental was up over NWA for the fourth quarter as well, with 17,677 million RPM's vs. NWA's 17,195 million RPM's. Continental had an extremely impressive December; in spite of the current level of fuel prices, they nearly broke even on an operating basis.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):
Continental had an extremely impressive December; in spite of the current level of fuel prices, they nearly broke even on an operating basis.

Treat people right, and they'll treat you right by being a return customer.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6781 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
Everyone one of those 777's going overseas makes up for at least 10 of WN's domestic 737's in RPM's... regardless of WN's impressive utilization. A whole bunch of short hops don't add up RPM's like a round trip across the pond(s) and back.

Actually, it's more like five, not ten, for ASM's. Perhaps six for RPM's if you consider that CO's load factor tends to be higher than Southwest's. Southwest's average 137-seat 737 flies a bit over 7 trips per day at an average of 612 miles per trip. That's 587,000 ASM's per airpcraft per day. Continental's 283-seat 777-200ER can probably manage a 10,000 mile round-trip each day (the 11,400 mile EWR-TLV round-trip requires slightly more than one aircraft-equivalent per day, since the return arrives 45 minutes after the outbound), for 2,830,000 ASM's per aircraft per day. This is roughly five times what Southwest does with its 737's.

Interestingly, the world's second-largest fleet of 737's belongs to Continental.


User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
weather doesn't count. he got home, despite the snow. what's he bitching about?

My dad - UA fanboy / FF member
company he works for - CLE based, CO used  Smile



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 1):
And we just found out that we are getting our on time bonus for December operations which means the other airlines must have really melted down.

After re-reading that it sounded pretty harsh. Hope I didn't offend anyone. I meant melted down in respect to the weather not any airlines operation. It was a pretty tough month weather wise at our hubs and with all the holiday traffic plus extra flights and yet we still managed to rise to the occasion. Good work fellow CO employees. One nice thing to see industry wide was no computer meltdowns or baggage nightmares like last year.


25 Post contains images Crash65 : Good disclaimer , CYA , nicely done.
26 Yyz717 : According to aerotransport database, CO recently ordered 2 addl 787-8's, making 7 firm in total.
27 WesternA318 : I can't wait until the 787's come online. I'd also like to thank my fellow CO-workers, you rock!
28 HPRamper : How many airlines pay bonuses for performance goals? We do, you do, who else?
29 Post contains links Manni : Well, they shouldn't... http://www.iata.org/pressroom/wats/wats_passengers_carried.htm http://www.iata.org/pressroom/wats/wats_passengers_carried.htm
30 Vegasplanes : A little off subject, from what I recall from earlier in the year it seemed like UA and DL were neck and neck for 2nd place, do you or anyone else ou
31 Incitatus : For a while it seemed DL was destined to be #2. After bk protection they scaled down. Notice that several sources will include commuter flying in DL'
32 727LOVER : The DOT recognizes one factor..and that's RPMs. So that's the official measure.
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