JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2645 posts, RR: 5 Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
Looks like the busiest year ever at JFK, EWR, and LGA:
"Regional Airport System is the Busiest in the Nation with Nearly 100 Million Passengers
John F. Kennedy International, Newark Liberty International and LaGuardia airports handled nearly 100 million passengers in 2005 according to a preliminary analysis by the Port Authority, setting a new annual record for passenger traffic for the region’s three major airports. The Port Authority’s airports handled more passengers than any other airport system in the nation in 2005.
With final year-end figures expected to be tabulated in several weeks, the initial analysis shows that the Port Authority’s airports once again enjoyed robust growth in passenger traffic, with an increase of about 6 percent over 2004 figures.
Kennedy Airport led the way with nearly 41 million passengers last year, while Newark Airport handled about 33 million passengers and LaGuardia Airport served approximately 26 million passengers.
The Port Authority anticipates continued growth in passenger traffic in 2006, as the agency’s airport analysts project a total of more than 102.5 million passengers this year."
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2294 times:
Great job NYC. Together EWR, LGA, and JFK make one killer system. They will all probably see lots more of flights this year and numbers will climb at all 3. But what I still can't believe that in 2007 is that LGA is losing the slots. It is gonna be a mess probably, or maybe not but I feel delays will get longer and be more often while passenger numbers will climb. But for 2006, NYC will see lots more of flights added, with tons on international mostly by DL and probably CO.
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2220 times:
NYC is simply an amazing aviation market. It's nice to see continued growth in my hometown.
Growth at JFK is definitely because of JetBlue domestically and DL internationally. Growth at LGA is still a bit confusing to me, but maybe the airport saw an incraese in the average LF for the year. EWR's growth is probably because of CO's new international flights and also B6's new (limited) presence.
When the LGA slots are lifted in 2007, what will the landscape be? DL and B6 fighting to the death for Florida flights? US and AA fighting for regional business traffic? The Shuttles increasing frequency and to new destinations?
The NYC aviation market can support amazing amounts of traffic. Let's see what happens.
Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
Bond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2038 times:
Quoting JFKLGANYC (Thread starter): Kennedy Airport led the way with nearly 41 million passengers last year, while Newark Airport handled about 33 million passengers and LaGuardia Airport served approximately 26 million passengers.
Quoting Jumpseat70 (Reply 7): If your quote is correct that would mean over 30 million per airport?
That's what he said
Quoting Jumpseat70 (Reply 7): Again I quote the Bureau of Travel Statistics regarding nations busiest` ariports.
As far as I understand, the BTS figures only include specific domestic airlines, not all of them, and no international....I may be wrong.
I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16252 posts, RR: 52 Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
More people than ever visited New York City last year.
Quote: Preliminary estimates from city tourism officials are that a record 41 million visitors came to New York in 2005, including 8.25 million in November and December
Quote: "The last week of 2005 was also the single highest grossing week in Broadway history,"
Quote: Mr. Bloomberg said there was little reason to expect that the influx of tourists would slow anytime soon. According to NYC & Company data, attendance at New York tourist attractions is currently running about 15 percent higher than a year ago, and that the number of visitors passing through city airports is 7 percent higher.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1657 times:
Those are good figures but when you have 16 million people in the Greater NYC area, it is not a surprise by anymeans.
What is needed is a new runway at LGA. Take the LGA pax figures and note they are all run off two runways. That's an alarming number. If you can built new airports and runways in the water like Hong Kong and Osaka, you can put another runway at LGA. Check the history of the airport and you will note it is a landfill of dirt, rocks and almost a million Christmas trees.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16252 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
They would rather close LGA than put another runway there, the City, State and Port Authority have been siphoning off funds from LGA projects and putting them towards JFK projects.
One example is the $680 Million the MTA allocated during the Giuliani administration to extend the N Train to LGA, as soon as Giuliani left office Pataki had the MTA re-allocate those funds to begin preliminary construction of the Long Island Railroad's East Side Access project.
The only major investment up coming for LGA is the Port Authority is going to spend $1.1 Billion to build a brand new air side for the Central Terminal Building, new wide/tall/modern concourses all connected to each other past security.
That project is connected to a $1.2 Billion refurbishment of Terminal A at EWR, both projects should be approved within the next 24 months.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
You see,STT757, this is a perfect example on why government is wrong.
Runways are the major problem at airports like LGA and DCA. For the pax traffic and airplane traffic, there isn't enough concrete. The Feds invested a fortune in new runways at STL and CVG. That's nice but the airlines are doing a regress in both those cities, therefore the new concrete is not needed.
Traffic at LAG and DCA remains high and it always will be high because the public likes those airports. They are handy and close to where they wish to go after landing. LGA terminal isn't a real headace like moving the metal. Yes, they should always try to improve terminals but LGA has a runway problem, not a terminal problem. Put in another runway and the slot game can go away and the airlines will be forever greatful.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16252 posts, RR: 52 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
There's an airport down the road from LGA called JFK, JFK is a huge International Airport with paltry domestic service. Why does JFK have paltry Domestic Service, because anyone flying to NYC if given a choice between JFK and LGA would want to fly into LGA because of it's convenience.
Politicians over the past 8 years (especially Pataki and Schumer) have been pushing hard to change JFK into a modern airport with a Domestic offering, they succeeded with B6 in 2000.
However if given a choice of spending upwards of $3 Billion Dollars to increase capacity at LGA they would rather spend the $3 Billion to increase the capacity at JFK or even EWR, what ever success LGA experiences comes at the expense of JFK.
JFK is under utilized, LGA is at capacity.
If they were to drop the perimeter rule from LGA for example almost over night AA and UAL would move their Trans-Con flights to LGA, at the detriment of JFK. Same thing with international flights.
They would be better off instead of spending Billions to increase capacity at LGA to improve the NorthEast Corridor, Acela Trains can operate NY Penn-Washington Union Station in just under two hours if they were to replace the Catenary between NY-Was and to straigten out some curves.
They can operate Acela Trains between NY Penn and Boston South Station in under three hours if they replaced the catenary and tracks in Metro North Territoy between New Rochelle and New Haven, also four 100 year old draw bridges across Connecticut.
There's even the NY Penn-Albany High Speed Rail service that needs funding, they could have 90 minute service between NY Penn and the new Renselear Station.
The best way to address capacity at LGA is to invest in Regional Rail improvements and to improvements at JFK and EWR.
I see you also have an interest in pax rail in the USA like myself. I have always thought the government can find ways to interweave them...rail at airports.
By the way, welcome to my respected list..Its better to be on my R list then my S list..
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2645 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1549 times:
There are bigger problems here that need to be addressed. Any rail link would have to stop at JFK or LGA as well to connect passengers to BOS and DCA. Keep in mind that a lot of pax conenct from BOS/DCA to other flights from LGA and JFK.
As a matter of fact, when we print the ACARS connecting gate info to give to the FA at the end of the flight, the list is always longest from BOS-LGA. And every flight into JFK also has a large number of conenctors.
Point being, connecting city centers via high speed rail would be a good thing . . . but significant air service between the cities would still be necessary.
As for new runways at LGA, the airport is hemmed in by city on all sides. This isn't Asia where they build a big island off the coast . . . LGA is surrounded on ALL sides by a bustling urban area. Flushing Bay (off to the South and East of the airport) is not a large expanse of waterway that can handle a floating island. It is a narrow waterway that separates the airport from the College Point and Flushing neighborhoods of Queens. We are talking less than a mile here (much less). The room isn't there for the massive floating island projects that you have in Asia.
What we are facing now in NY is what we all feared would happen...we are almost full! LGA and EWR are at capacity in terms of takeoffs and landings. LGA is actually overcapacity. The only way to increase pax in these airports is the use of larger aircraft.
JFK has capacity . . . but with the advent of JetBlue, and a much larger DL hub, I was number 20 for Takeoff at JFK at 930 am! The morning was always JFK's dead time. The capacity there is disappearing fast. The answer is probably the use of SWF to the North; but this won't seriously happen without a takeover and investment by the Port Authority of NY and NJ.
KJFK31L From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1520 times:
Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 19): JFK has capacity . . . but with the advent of JetBlue, and a much larger DL hub, I was number 20 for Takeoff at JFK at 930 am! The morning was always JFK's dead time. The capacity there is disappearing fast.
Agreed! JFK is operating at capacity and mornings are packed with departures (especially out of the 31 L/R system and the Canarsie Climb).
Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 19): Any rail link would have to stop at JFK or LGA as well to connect passengers to BOS and DCA. Keep in mind that a lot of pax conenct from BOS/DCA to other flights from LGA and JFK.
Not to mention the fact that JFK is in Jamaica. The closest rail links are AirTrainJFK which links to the MTA NYC Subway at Sutphin Blvd, and the Long Island Rail Road which goes into Penn Station. Amtrak also goes to Penn Station so many people can take the Subway to JFK.
This is the closest we will get to Rail Service to JFK. Any direct rail service, such as an extension to the Amtrak System would be a waste to Amtrak. To go 30 miles east, turn around, and then proceed another 30 miles west after stopping at JFK, continuing down to DC at that point would be ultimately pointless.
We would do better with an extension to AirTrain JFK, in the form of a tunnel to link Penn Station directly to JFK.
Delta Shuttle Flights would continue even if such a rail service were instituted. Some people do not want to spend 2 hours on a train to Boston. Some would rather take a 15 minute taxi ride to LGA and a 1 hour flight to KBOS.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16252 posts, RR: 52 Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
If the proper investment were made to Inter City rail service from NY to Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Albany it would siphon off the majority of the O&D traffic from LGA.
If Acela Express ran realiably at 1:45 between NY Penn and Washington Union Station, and between NY Penn and Boston South Station at 2:25 it would pretty much kill off the US and Delta Air Shuttles thus creating additional slots for new flights to places outside the Region.
There would always be flights from EWR and JFK to Boston , DCA and PHL for connecting passengers etc. But the High Frequency O&D traffic could easily be handled better through investment in existing rail infastructure.