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Will KLM Use More 777 To South America?

RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4180 posts, RR: 44
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

I think that so far the only route KLM uses 777s are for GRU....for the rest they use the MD 11 which stops over the antilles....

Is there a chance that KLM will use the T7 very soon to UIO, GYE, LIM... ? I think these also have enough range to avoid the stop over at Bonaire

Regards

BM

P.S I am considering going to Peru and Bolivia next October to travel and KLM seem to have the best fares...and guess what ? According to amadeus its the MD11 that serves AMS-LIM which means I'll still have to wait to first fly the T7...plus KLMs MD 11's don't have PTVs which T7's do...shame!

[Edited 2006-01-07 10:44:55]

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LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Is there a chance that KLM will use the T7 very soon to UIO, GYE, LIM... ? I think these also have enough range to avoid the stop over at Bonaire

Wasn't there any talks at KL to send the 777s to LIM a few months ago? I recall reading here in this forum about that.

The other question is whether the 777s would be weight restricted for flights out of UIO because of the high altitude. GYE could be done nonstop both ways as it's near sea level, but for flights to UIO, I guess the high altitude, combined with possible weight restrictions and the distance might force KL to continue the stopover in the Antilles on the eastbound back to AMS.

RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4180 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2629 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
Wasn't there any talks at KL to send the 777s to LIM a few months ago? I recall reading here in this forum about that.

I've heard about that too but go no news about it ever since. That would be a great news indeed .

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 1):
but for flights to UIO, I guess the high altitude, combined with possible weight restrictions and the distance might force KL to continue the stopover in the Antilles on the eastbound back to AMS.

and if they tried AMS-UIO-GYE would that work better or not ?

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LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 2):
and if they tried AMS-UIO-GYE would that work better or not ?

It could work. Smile

As I said, GYE is near sea level, so a nonstop out of GYE eastbound back to AMS is very well possible.

MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2477 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

considering KL will receive 9 more 777's, it almost certain you will see them more in South america. CUR , LIM, AUA are already on the list, although non of them is certain yet

RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4180 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 4):
considering KL will receive 9 more 777's, it almost certain you will see them more in South america. CUR , LIM, AUA are already on the list, although non of them is certain yet

for when do you think they will be in service?

By the way how many 777's do KLM already have ?

[Edited 2006-01-07 12:35:57]

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MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2477 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 5):
for when do you think they will be in service?

By the way how many 777's do KLM already have

they have 10 now, and didt received a new one since a year or so, and in februari they will receive theire 11th. i made a list about this:

02/2006 PH-BQL
04/2006 PH-BQM
05/2006 PH-BQN
12/2006 PH-BQO
03/2007 PH-BQP
2008 PH-BQR

other 3 dates still unknown

RootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4180 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 6):

they have 10 now, and didt received a new one since a year or so, and in februari they will receive theire 11th. i made a list about this:

Thanks

i suggest that the ones they didn't recieve during a year were options later converted right?

Really hope the 777 will make it to Lima in October

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MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2477 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

well if im not mistaken, 4 are converted options and 4/5 are leased

EIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 642 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

IB operates an A340 to UIO so that prob means that a 777 could do it too. They operate the lights UIO-GYE-MAD to sort the weight restrictions though

Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320

AMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 8):
well if im not mistaken, 4 are converted options and 4/5 are leased

According to my notes, 4 will be leased from ILFC, 5 were directly ordered at Boeing, 2 in December 2004 and 3 last December. Whether they were converted options, I do not know.

HB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4418 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 7):
Really hope the 777 will make it to Lima in October

I really don't see why one would be in a hurry to get onto a KL T7. Apart from the IFE, the MD11 is by far the superior aircraft. As a matter of fact, rows 1 and 2 in the MD11 are easily KLM's best choice for WBC in the entire fleet. WBC seats in the T7 are of inferior quality.

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