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Virgin America Officials At SFO Yesterday  
User currently offlinePassBureauMgr From United States of America, joined May 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

Yesterday at SFO, there were 12 V A people in the airport, being shown through by SFO Airport staff. A well known SFO architect was accomanying them. Also, it was said yesterday that their first 3 aircraft will carry the names Miss America, Miss California & Miss Marilyn?
They will also call their frequent flyer program Club America

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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

That's cool.....But they won't be calling any plane anything until they get approved.

User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7069 times:

Does anyone know what terminal they are planning on using at SFO?


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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2727 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7049 times:

Where is Virgin America's headoffice? At SFO?


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7043 times:
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Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
Where is Virgin America's headoffice? At SFO?

I believe it is just south of SFO in Burlingham.



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User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

Burlingame, CA.

FILLER
FILLER


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6842 times:

Quoting PassBureauMgr (Thread starter):
Miss Marilyn?

In memory of Marilyn Monroe (sp?) I guess.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6757 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 4):

I believe it is just south of SFO in Burlingham.

its in Burlingame.... Wink



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User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6706 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 6):
Quoting PassBureauMgr (Thread starter):
Miss Marilyn?

In memory of Marilyn Monroe (sp?) I guess.

Or maybe it's Miss Maryland? Weren't they the last three winners?


User currently offlineSflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6697 times:

I can see it now, "The last three winners of the new VA naming contest" Marilyn, Maryland, total confusion.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6649 times:
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Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
But they won't be calling any plane anything until they get approved.

 rotfl  Not true! No certification is required to buy a plane and pay someone to paint a name on it.  spin 

Serious now:
1. How many gates is VirgA leasing at SFO? Any additional gates with mixed carrier access?
2. Does anyone know aircraft delivery schedule?
They might not be able to fly, but that might just mean a large start up
3. Is any other LCC asking for gates at SFO? Hey, OAK and SJC aren't exactly easy places to get gates...
4. Does anyone know and hard numbers on HP's yields/load factors on their SFO transcons?

I'm going to be honest, I'm not that excited about VirgA. While I like a good low cost deal as much as the next guy, I'm missing what they will offer different than B6, F9, or FL. Or is this a case where good moderately priced service is direly needed at SFO that any LCC should succeed? If so, why do I keep hearing about HP there and HP's inability to turn a profit? And why wouldn't B6, WN, or another LCC have a large SFO presense if its that ripe of a market? I guess, what will be VirgA's differentiator.

1. WN brought low fares to most of their cities. After estabilishing a loyal base, they are growing from that.
2. FL brought low fares to ATL and has since expanded into other high fare airports in the northeast.
3. F9 was the original low fare to DEN and has an almost unique hub amoung LCCs. (Now in many ways matched by FL at ATL and WN at several locations, but I'm talking about when the airline was formed.)
4. B6 at JFK (NYC) and BOS.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2972 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6639 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
4. Does anyone know and hard numbers on HP's yields/load factors on their SFO transcons?

I believe that HP no longer does SFO transcons.

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 11):
I believe that HP no longer does SFO transcons.

You are partially correct. The only US transcons at SFO are to PHL and CLT. JFK and BOS (operated by the late great HP) have been dropped.

Edit: so do we now call HP "US" or still refer to them as "HP"?

[Edited 2006-01-08 00:58:03]

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6565 times:
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Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 12):
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 11):
I believe that HP no longer does SFO transcons.

You are partially correct. The only US transcons at SFO are to PHL and CLT. JFK and BOS (operated by the late great HP) have been dropped.

Edit: so do we now call HP "US" or still refer to them as "HP"?

Ok, I should correct myself. I'm looking into how HP did on transcons pre-merger (e.g., flights that are now cancelled.)

Yes, the new HP/US is just US. I'm curous how they did out of SFO in years past.

Thanks,
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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
s any other LCC asking for gates at SFO? Hey, OAK and SJC aren't exactly easy places to get gates...

Apparently, they are looking at OAK as well:
"Virgin America, a start-up low-fare airline, wants to become the newest carrier at Orlando International Airport, where several industry bankruptcies are likely to leave empty gates this year."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...ory?coll=orl-news-headlines-orange


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6391 times:
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It will be nice to see another airline start up that is actually headquartered on the west coast. I believe AS is the only mainline carrier based on the west coast in Seattle. Sorry Allegiant Air, I don't really consider LAS as a west coast city, along with PHX for US Airways.

AMSSFO...I didn't see any reference to OAK in the Orlando Sentinel article you linked, unless I missed something.

I think if V-A starts OAK, it would make competition at OAK a bit more fierce.

I'm not sure if B6 would start anymore north/south markets (outside of LGB-OAK) anytime soon consider how fierce competition is out here. And the yields aren't very good either.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2915 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

I see nothing about OAK in the article either.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12903 posts, RR: 100
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6028 times:
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Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 14):

Apparently, they are looking at OAK as well:
"Virgin America, a start-up low-fare airline, wants to become the newest carrier at Orlando International Airport, where several industry bankruptcies are likely to leave empty gates this year."

Sorry to nitpick, you mean MCO not OAK.  Wink

But what I found interesting from your link:

Quote:
Geagan said some other airlines are "colluding in an overt attempt to stop the DOT process."

Wow!  wideeyed  I have a feeling that they'll play up Sir Branson's control to delay compitition. Right or wrong, we'll see some politics on this.

My thought is that as WN, FL, B6, and F9 expand there is less of an unfilled niche for LCC service. While airline service is growing, eventually there isn't the vacuum. So the longer VigA's launch is delayed, the less demand there will be for their product.

also

Quote:

"I think it's safe to say Orlando International is not really in danger of having all these excess gates for a long period of time," he said. "The trend is we're seeing airports incentivizing carriers to come in by not using traditional, long-term signatory leases. They rent the gates for an hour if they need to."

I doubt MCO will have spare gates for too long. I expect B6 (among others) to expand there. I read into this VirgA is looking at SFO-MCO as a starter route. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MCO gates are DL gates handed over during their BK process of cutting costs?

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5912 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 4):
I believe it is just south of SFO in Burlingham.

What became of the concept of Virgin's fiscal hub being in NYC, and their physical hub being in QSF?


User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5887 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 6):
In memory of Marilyn Monroe (sp?) I guess.

Or how about Miss Marilyn Manson?  laughing 



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

See below....i'm betting my money on them.

Architect? Sounds like some trendy terminal/gate/lounge on the way?

[Edited 2006-01-08 13:09:49]

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 1):
That's cool.....But they won't be calling any plane anything until they get approved.

Will you doubters quit it already? They've got a very experience management team, investors and the capital, plus they, more than most start ups, can say, "we know how to fly planes safely" because they're part of a group that runs airlines all around the world...a group I might add, that operates more Boeings (esp 737s,) than airbuses. They will fly. I'm not going to be so brave and say they're going to make huge profits...but they will fly. Saying otherwise now is just wishful thinking. It would take a major supply shock...such as another big oil spike or something...to get them to return their money to their investors. Why should a majority American owned company not be allowed to operate, just like any other American company (and that is what we're talking about folks AN AMERICAN COMPANY!) just because its minority shareholder happens to be an eccentric british nut?


Oh BTW concordeboy...welcome back from dead....long time no see fred? What happened? Been in Afrika or something?


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
I'm missing what they will offer different than B6, F9, or FL.

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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4959 times:
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Quoting Stirling (Reply 22):
Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 10):
I'm missing what they will offer different than B6, F9, or FL.

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Solid Rocket Boosters? Are these Airbii specially equipped with powerplants from Morton Thiokol?  Wink

I guess that's what's different - you get to your destination in 1/5th the time of normal airlines, while pulling 3Gs the whole way.



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User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 18):
What became of the concept of Virgin's fiscal hub being in NYC, and their physical hub being in QSF?

I thought it was the other way around...offices in NY area and flight hub in SFO?

C.



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25 Mbm3 : Initially this was going to be the case, but I think good business sense led them to combine their ops and admin hub at SFO.
26 ConcordeBoy : um, read what I wrote dude. Both parties (the airline and California) seemed awfully quiet about that... interesting.
27 GVWOW : What kind of IFE will Virgin America have? Will it be V:Port?
28 Legacyins : Not really, I read about it in the local news papers and even on the net that city and local leaders were pleased that VA will consolidate their corp
29 HZ747300 : I completely agree--even some yahoo who was just hired by Virgin America was posting on about how it will innovative in IFE and soft drinks. Which be
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