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User currently offlineHPA320 From Mexico, joined Jul 2004, 160 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Guys,

I already know of:

Easyjet.com

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Ryanair.com

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Do you guys know more of these carriers in Europe?

Thanks,


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

There are at least 50 Lowcost Airlines in Europe -only country without any Low Cost airline is France......

http://www.attitudetravel.com/lowcostairlines/europe/

http://www.etn.nl/lcosteur.htm



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User currently offlineEnrique07280 From Spain, joined Jan 2006, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
There are at least 50 Lowcost Airlines in Europe -only country without any Low Cost airline is France

There is Air Turquoise in France flying it ATR between Marseille Reims Bordeaux and Nice! the only French low cost


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6498 times:

Beaucaire, I do not think the first link you provide answers the question.
For example, I see what I know as a charter and non european airlin: Onur Air.
And it mentions Air Turquoise, from France. So, apprently, we do have one....
Teva



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Air Turqoise is a marketing developement tool financed by the CCI of Reims to promote the Champagne region.While the company appears to be a low-cost airline using ATR 42 aircraft,most of the money comes -as usual- from the local taxpayers money.
But they come as close to anything as Low Cost in France.
There are not international flights offered currently from any french "Lowcost " financed privately.
There was an attempt by Air Liberté Express three years ago but the project was killed with the dismantling of Air Liberté by JJCorbet and Erik de Vlieger...



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User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

You have mentioned the two largest lots of others off the top of my head here are some I can think of.

Jet2
BMI Baby
Wizz Air
SkyEuope
Air Berlin
Germanwings
flyBe
Vueling Airlines
Norwegian Air Shuttle
Flyniki
Hapag Lloyd Express
Thomson Fly


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6468 times:

Here http://www.ch-aviation.ch/lcc.php is a fairly accurate search engine for any low cost services within Europe.


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User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Ryanair
Easyjet
Flybe
Air Berlin
BMI Baby
Monarch Scheduled
Flyniki
Air Scotland
Flyglobespan
Jet2
Wizz Air
Sky Europe
Germanwings
Hapag Lloyd Express
Centralwings
Volare
Air Southwest
Transavia
Sterling
Aer Arran
Norwegian
Vueling

This list is far from Exhaustive.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

You need only worry about Ryanair and easyJet: a lot, if not all, of the smaller, less well-run and profitable entities won't exist in the next couple/few years.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
You need only worry about Ryanair and easyJet: a lot, if not all, of the smaller, less well-run and profitable entities won't exist in the next couple/few years.

A bold statement. Here are just two others that are doing pretty well I think.


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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

Helvetic is a LCC too. But they aren't doing well.


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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6350 times:

Aer Lingus is one!
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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 9):
A bold statement.

And which will be eventually proven to be true. You'll have the two giants - Ryanair and easyJet - and perhaps a third or fourth smaller LCC. A lot will come and go - and be replaced by others which will come and go. Furthermore, I suspect that there will be only perhaps three major full-frills airlines in Europe - BA, AF/KL and LH - who will concentrate on connecting passengers, while LCCs will do a lot of the point-to-point flights.

[Edited 2006-01-08 13:10:01]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6252 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
less well-run and profitable entities

I really don't think they are "less well-run" as for profitable, they did not get to the market the same time as FR and U2 which makes it more difficult to startup and indeed expand. i really think there is room for more then 2 LCCs in europe.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19196 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6220 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 13):
I really don't think they are "less well-run"

LOL. You research them and their networks. Generally, they don't have a particularly good businessplan - and it is poorly executed. Or they'll have a shallow financial pool which won't sustain low seasons or a lot of competition or both. Also, few people are going to possess the required level of leadership, ability and killer instinct for highly successful businesses - in any industry. Furthermore, a lot - but not all - of successful airlines have 'faces,' i.e. well-known founders/CEOs particularly to a lot of non-plane-nuts, like Herb at WN, MOL at FR and Stelios at U2, through public stunts, TV shows or plain advertising. I don't, for example, even know the CEO of almost all other airlines - and I'm keen on aviation.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6198 times:

Ý am in Turkey right now. Tomorrow Ý will be flying Ýstanbul - Antalya with Onur Air and back with AtlasJet, just for fun. Ý will write a trip report about them later on.
Onur and AtlasJet operate as low cost carriers in Turkey, and seen that their base is Ýstanbul Ataturk airport (which is on the European side) they can defintely be regarded as European LCC`s!
Another LCC here is Pegasus Airlines. Their base is at the other Ýstanbul airport, Sabiha Gokcen. They offer flights throughout the country, and a bus service for pax to and from Ýstanbul. Ý don`t know whether other Turkish carriers such as Sky and Fly Air also offer budget flights or operate only charters.
Turkish Airlines now also has very good offers for domestic flights, by the way.


User currently offlinePtrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3906 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6184 times:

Quoting Levent (Reply 15):
Ý am in Turkey right now.

Ý can see that... Ý remember struggling with those Turkish keyboards. Smile



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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6153 times:

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 16):
Ý can see that... Ý remember struggling with those Turkish keyboards.

Yeah, isn`t it annoying? Ý struggled to get logged onto yahoo mail and after fifteen minutes realised that Ý was typing the i without a dot instead of the i with a dot!  Smile
Have done some spotting this afternoon at Ýstanbul Ataturk, found a great spot under the approach path of runway 36 along the water. No problem with police or military at all.


User currently offlineEgmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

Quoting GSM763 (Reply 7):
Flyglobespan

They are not an lcc they are a low fares airline there is difference.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
LOL. You research them and their networks.

I work with a couple of LCC's in DUB so I know at least something about some LCC's and even now in the middle of the winter they are still full or almost full. Ryanair was losing money hand over fist before MOL and had a shallow financial pool. Most airline startups for the first number of years will have very little money, it's an expensive business and competition is expensive. Most high yield roots are taken particularly in western Europe and it would be suicide for any new or small LCC (or airline) to go against FR or U2.

All you have to do is look at U2 when it started services in DUB, FR ran them out.



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5980 times:
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User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5972 times:

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 18):
They are not an lcc they are a low fares airline there is difference.

What is the difference?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5965 times:

Quoting Levent (Reply 17):
Have done some spotting this afternoon at Ýstanbul Ataturk, found a great spot under the approach path of runway 36 along the water. No problem with police or military at all.

Hi Levent,
Also I have heard of a "SKY Cafe" on the other side of the runway, where lot of the IST spotters get their shots, from its terrace. Sounds a bit more civilized than the beach spot.


User currently offlineGreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 19):
All you have to do is look at U2 when it started services in DUB, FR ran them out.

Just to be pedantic it was Go and not easyJet that Ryanair drove out. easyJet have never operated out of DUB - except for their maintenance visits.


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 762 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 11):
Aer Lingus is one!

I wouldn't call Aer Lingus a LCC

Thought the LCC is quite relaxed, Aer Lingus:

DOES transfer bags to other flight (EI itself and onto other carriers) with all the advantages like two bags on connecting flights to long-haul flights....
DOES allow passengers to connect to other flights
DOES offer the use of departure lounges sapphire and emerald OW card holders
DOES offer the use of departure lounges to business and first passengers connecting to/from any OW flight
DOES fly to main airports like LHR instead of STN, BCN instead of GRO or FRA instead od HNN... just to say a few

and many other things that may come up... LCC shouldn't be called to every airline that only offers one class and charges you for food
Between Ryanair and Cathay Pacific there are many different shades of grey


25 Post contains images Maersk737 : Pearson is right, most of the LCC's are loosing money, closing down and starting up again Cheers Peter
26 Malmoaviation : France have High speed TGV trains. They are (sometimes) cheap and fast. Maybe that's why there is not so many LCC carriers in France?
27 TheSonntag : Germany has profitable LCCs, and both FR and EZY did not enter that market fast enough, so both Germanwings and HLX have become rather popular. EZY is
28 Delta777Jet : HLX: Will develop more and more into a charter airline like Hapag Lloyd flying to tourist destinations. Advertisments what they do are expensive and j
29 Pe@rson : LOL. Yes, and probably having absurdly low yields - which is not sustainable. Anyone can fill any plane with very low prices. The issue is yield mana
30 Smokeyrosco : Living in Dublin and working in DUB I am fully aware that Ryanair is one of the most profitable airlines in the world, and I realize MOL is a great b
31 Post contains links and images WexCan : Monarch anyone? View Large View MediumPhoto © Mikael Kuusela[Edited 2006-01-09 00:39:59]
32 Amhilde : I just booked two Sterling tickets today for me and the boy for this summer CPH-FRA and MUC-CPH and we got a really good deal. Have they been hanging
33 HBJZA : Maybe FR does but not all LCC are flying to "side" airports. EZY/EZS is most of the time flying the well known international airports.
34 Pe@rson : Then PROVE to me - with verifiable statistics - that those other airlines are, as you said, making a "decent profit." You seem to have forgotten that
35 RootsAir : Always thought that Fly Baboo DID NOT consider themselves a low cost ! Theirprices added to fuel surcharge are waytoo high for an LCC oh and haven't y
36 TheSonntag : Profitable Airlines: 4U, Air Berlin and, maybe, HLX... German LCCs do rather well in a difficult market. HLX had problems in the beginning, but now t
37 Post contains images Pe@rson : Please submit appropriate authority regarding the net profit of each. One could say that you are, being a German, rather biased towards 4U, AB and HL
38 RJ100 : No doubt, easyJet and Ryanair are the two leading LCCs in Europe. They are strong and have multiple bases in all over Europe. Other LCCs in Europe sta
39 Smokeyrosco : You have said this in regards the winter months and I think you forget that I am in and around these airlines daily, I talk with the reps, we handle
40 Frequentflyer : Looks like France is underdeveloped LCC-wise... room for improvement there!
41 Airbazar : I agree somewhat that a lot of LCC's will die but I also think that there is room for a few more than 4 carriers. Europe is a larger market than the
42 Post contains images Pe@rson : LOL. Because you know you'd be wrong. And even if you were right, that does not mean that they'll last. Not at all. I just predict that very few will
43 Pelican : You're well aware that AB isn't a public traded corporation and therefore don't need to post exact numbers. So your question is rather pointless. It'
44 BestWestern : Its not absurd.... There is room in Europe for only three major low cost airlines. The remainder will struggle, and the majority will go bankrupt. Ju
45 Post contains images Pe@rson : Coincidental, of course. Ah, Sterling is Danish and where do you come from? Oh, Denmark. You could have all the money in the world, but if you don't
46 Pe@rson : Precisely. You should listen to B.W.: he's a very well-respected transport consultant and aviation expert.
47 Egmcman : In their advertising they market themselves as the low fares airline and serve TFS from STN which is sort of route a lcc wouldn't operate because of
48 Pe@rson : People wrongly perceive low-cost airlines as being low-fares airlines, when in fact the two are different, although you can obviously obtain low fares
49 BestWestern : Its going to my (very congested) head.
50 Post contains links EI321 : Yes, but check out these fares and then tell me EI are not low cost: http://www.flyaerlingus.com/cgi-bin/...=ccciaddgjldllkmcefecfigdffgdfkk.0 EI is
51 Post contains images Pelican : Sorry, but you're wrong. I'm just living in Denmark at the moment Sure, but if you have a lot of money you'll have much more time to overcome problem
52 Post contains images Pe@rson : We have - several times. In case you're blind or a bit dense ( ), I'll repeat some for you: 1) overcapacity; 2) poorly managed yields; 3) poorly run;
53 TheSonntag : Well, I will not disagree with you, because I am certainly biased towards German carriers, but my point simply is that the German market is vital for
54 Pelican : You're certainly right, I have to be a bit dense. Because I can't see the connection between your points and the exact number of LCCs which will surv
55 Post contains images Pe@rson : Loads mean little. A concept which few A.nutters seem to understand. Imagine this: a 400-seat plane. 400 passengers pay 1p each (£4 total). So 100%
56 Smokeyrosco : BTW I do have great respect for BestWesterns opinions, anyway, I would have assumed that the US and Europe are completely different markets that you
57 BestWestern : Passengers are only loyal to Price. When Easyjet and Ryanair really focus on Germany, germawings, and HapagLlyod express will struggle. There simply
58 Post contains images Pelican : Ahh, and this leads you to an exact number of airlines. Next time my university offers vodoo-economics, I'll subscribe. BTW I don't doubt you general
59 TheSonntag : While you are right on the price, don't forget that Germany is very decentralised. There are 10 mio people in Bavaria, 3,5 mio in Berlin, 20 mio in N
60 BestWestern : Has DBA ever made a sustainable profit?
61 TheSonntag : Hard to tell, but they announced a profit last year, so it seems that they are doing better than ever before. Whether this is enough to survive is ce
62 Delta777Jet : TheSonntag: Sorry, but it is stupid to wet-lease on long term Fokker 100 aircrafts from Germania and this is the proof that they going bad since they
63 TheSonntag : I don't disagree with you, but I don't know the conditions of the leasing costs of the F100s. Nevertheless DBA still exists, no matter how many times
64 Post contains links Delyan : Hemus Air is supposed to turn into LCC soon. Tickets would be selling from 8 Euros if bought in advance. And another (not exactly LLC) one from Bulgar
65 Post contains images Maersk737 : Sterling do have some serious problems in filling aircrafts, even when they almost give the tickets away.... For how long will or can the FL-group fin
66 BestWestern : There is serious overcapacity in Scandinavia in what is a small population region, but thanks to the mergers of Sterling and Maersk, this should help
67 Pe@rson : It is rather likely that the former will override the latter, unless Sterling can turnaround - it needs to reorganise, rationalise (i.e. cut out all
68 Post contains images Maersk737 : Then Pe@rson might be right Cheers Peter
69 TheSonntag : While I really love Sterling for flying CPH-THF(!), I don't like their homepage design, they are unknown outside of Scandinavia (and don't have a Germ
70 Pe@rson : What you must remember, Peter, is that B.W. and I seem to more-often-than-not agree with one another on these kinds of issues. Furthermore, I'll just
71 BestWestern : Sterling are now owned by Icelandair, who have grand plans for European aviation. Scandinavian Aviation in January 2007 could look very different to
72 Maersk737 : They do have great plans, but will they be able to get them financed ? That's the issue in my opinion. Cheers Peter
73 Post contains links and images Flyboy_se : here in Sweden we have Flynordic (LF) owned by Finnair, and Flyme (FLY) that recently got new owners (from Iceland) View Large View MediumPhoto ©
74 HPA320 : Does any of these fly to South America?
75 BDKLEZ : Don't forget easyJet, which now has an FL Group shareholding of almost 17%, and with rumours around the stock market for the last couple of weeks of
76 VV701 : Both EZY and FR have enormous financial power because of the deals they negotiated with A and B respectively when the aircraft manufacturing industry
77 BDKLEZ : Sir, I completly respect what you've written. There was a case only a couple of years ago where EZY had negotiated take-over rights for DBA in exclus
78 Post contains links Heisan67 : This link is very useful: http://www.whichbudget.com
79 Egmcman : No at the moment their networks are only in Europe. No one has tried long haul low cost routes.
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