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Air NZ Domestic Jet Fleet Upgrade Any Time Soon  
User currently offlineNZCH From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

I was just wondering if Air NZ is going to replace it's domestic 737 300's within the next year or two. The 737 300's have been around a long time some of Air NZ's 737's are some of the first made and Air New Zealand have the last ever made 737 which I think was in the early 1990's but I don't know the reg. And several 737 300's have fold screens. But the average age of Air New Zealand's 737 300's are 8 years. I think the A319 is a good option to replace the 737's as Air NZ already have the A320 in it's fleet, they have 13 of them to use on Australian and pacific routes and also on a couple of domestic routes in New Zealand. The A319 can seat 124 in a 2 class configuration and 142 in a single class configuration. They both have similar performance specifications, but the A319 is more modern, to the 737 300.

info courtesy of www.airnewzealand.co.nz/aboutus/fleet/
and www.airliners.net/info

Regards NZCH


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Quoting NZCH (Thread starter):
The 737 300's have been around a long time some of Air NZ's 737's are some of the first made and Air New Zealand have the last ever made 737 which I think was in the early 1990's but I don't know the reg.

Actually Air New Zealand has the newest 737-300 fleet in the world. All but one plane (a leased plane delivered in 1995) were manufactured between 1997 and 1999. They are very new. Air New Zealand was taking deliveries of 733s when other airlines were taking delivery of 737NGs. Older 737s can fly for ages. Air New Zealand only replaced 732s on domestic flights only a few years ago. Also some of the 733s have fewer cycles than similarly aged 737s because they were operated on longer flights that A320s have taken over from. This means that the 733s should have even more life left in them.

Quoting NZCH (Thread starter):
think the A319 is a good option to replace the 737's as Air NZ already have the A320 in it's fleet, they have 13 of them to use on Australian and pacific routes and also on a couple of domestic routes in New Zealand. The A319 can seat 124 in a 2 class configuration and 142 in a single class configuration. They both have similar performance specifications, but the A319 is more modern, to the 737 300.

The 733 is the perfect jet for the domestic market in New Zealand. 737NGs and A320s are too much airplane for the short domestic routes. The smaller wings and lower weights of the 733s compared to the 73G and A319 makes them ideal on the flights of less than two hours. There currently isn't a good plane to replace the 733s. 737NGs and A320s are better suited for flights between Australia and New Zealand as they have more range. The 733s are young and still efficient. Air New Zealand is spending all of its money now on refurbishing the international fleet as they have 777s adn 787s on order. There is a reason that Air New Zealand was still taking delivery of the 733s when other airlines were ordering 737NGs. The 733s that Air New Zealand operates have some new technology incorporated in them since they are relatively recently built planes.

[Edited 2006-01-08 22:14:00]


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User currently offlineNZCH From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Thanks for your comment ROSEFLYER I was just thinking out loud about it, because my stepdad is an Air New Zealand engineer at Christchurch, he was just mentioning it to me how crammed they look inside with all those seats. But I was just wondering that's all. Thanks once again.

Regards NZCH



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

I also recall someone saying that they will be staying for a while yet because:
-They are not that old
-They are very cheap to run

SUJ


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

The 737's make money and they make money well. I have not heard any rumours about a 737 replacement in the near future from Pilots and other staff alike (and Pilots are big talkers!) The 737 also has a cetain 'pizazz' that the Airbus can't match, a pilot who has flown both once told me the 737 is like a sports car, the Airbus like a stationwagon.

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

Agree, you see the 733 take off as opposed to a 320, the 733 is like a flipping rocket.

User currently offlineNZCH From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 4):
The 737's make money and they make money well. I have not heard any rumours about a 737 replacement in the near future from Pilots and other staff alike (and Pilots are big talkers!) The 737 also has a cetain 'pizazz' that the Airbus can't match, a pilot who has flown both once told me the 737 is like a sports car, the Airbus like a stationwagon.

Thanks on you comment, so I take it that Air NZ will not be replacing them any timesoon in the near future as in the next couple of years.

Regards NZCH



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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6900 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

the 733 is currently able to land at some of the smaller airfields that the 320 cannot. Rotorua is one example of this, although I believe they are just about to start the upgrade of the runway so it can handle intl. 320 flights to try and attract Jetstar & Pacific Blue & Freedom. I think they want about 10-12 flights per week eventually.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6335 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 7):
Rotorua is one example of this, although I believe they are just about to start the upgrade of the runway so it can handle intl. 320 flights to try and attract Jetstar & Pacific Blue & Freedom. I think they want about 10-12 flights per week eventually.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/search/sto...00A9D7F-D8A8-13C0-A8BE83027AF1010F

Today's paper, A4. It states that international flights are currently limited to 70% payload but the full completion of the extension will allow full A320 payloads. Regular services expected by 2010 with 10-14 flights a week.



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User currently offlineNZCH From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 7):
the 733 is currently able to land at some of the smaller airfields that the 320 cannot. Rotorua is one example of this, although I believe they are just about to start the upgrade of the runway so it can handle intl. 320 flights to try and attract Jetstar & Pacific Blue & Freedom. I think they want about 10-12 flights per week eventually.

Wow I never seen that one coming, how long is the runway going to be? When will it be it extended? And what will be the maximum aircraft aloud to take off?



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User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

To a degree I think it's the Rotorua airport company dreaming (if you've heard the stories about the airport company you'll know what I mean). SJ and NZ have expressed no interest (thus far) in Rotovegas.

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

I would like to see NZ replace the 733's with either the 73G or the 319 but this will not happen for some time.
Does anybody know if NZ have any plans to refurbish the 733's with maybe the 320's leather seating?


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
Does anybody know if NZ have any plans to refurbish the 733's with maybe the 320's leather seating?

I very much doubt it, there would be no point as it wouldn't attract any extra pax, the longest 733 flight in NZ AKL-DUD is under 2 hours.

Mind you, a couple of the ex Freedom Air a/c could do with better seats.

I do AKL-WLG on a regular basis, I love the 733's, the only time I had an A320 on the route I felt as if i was doing something wicked and disloyal, not that I am an Airbus hater, it just seemed odd. Smile


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 12):
Mind you, a couple of the ex Freedom Air a/c could do with better seats.

My last flight domestically with NZ was in September when I flew CHC-AKL. I flew in one of the ex-freedom air 737's and it was still in the freedomair colour scheme. The seats were terrible and whenever you would try to recline or move the headrest it would make a loud squeek.
The cabin did look very runned-down. However I have flown on other NZ 737's and they were great, I just prefer the 320's.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11847 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4194 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 3):
I also recall someone saying that they will be staying for a while yet because:
-They are not that old
-They are very cheap to run

I don't know how many times I've said those things in threads ZKSUJ, but I will say it again. Expect NZs Domestic B733s to be in service for the next 5 years, as they are some of the newest B737 classics in service and they make good money for NZ. Why should NZ replace good aircraft sooner then they should be? NZ has options on the A319s and A321s. If NZ goes airbus for domestic then A319s would be ordered (roughly same size and seating as the B733s), but latest rumors are B737-700s are being considered also cause it would be heaps easier to transfer to a B737NG dometic fleet

Quoting NZCH (Thread starter):
Air NZ already have the A320 in it's fleet, they have 13 of them to use on Australian and pacific routes and also on a couple of domestic routes in New Zealand.

Mostly the only time you will now see an A320 on domestic is when a B733 is in MX, yes NZ did operate the A320s regulary on domestic when they first arrived.


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Expect NZs Domestic B733s to be in service for the next 5 years,

How long would they retain them, if for example, the world economy or similar meant that an upgrade wasn't doable? Would 10 years be regarded as pushing it a bit, I ask this because most likely, when NZ have done with them, they will become "new" a/c on someone else's fleet.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Mostly the only time you will now see an A320 on domestic is when a B733 is in MX, yes NZ did operate the A320s regulary on domestic when they first arrived.

I got a 320 on AKL-CHC in september. I believe if you check the schedules at www.airnz.co.nz there are a few 320's operating AKL-CHC and a few 767/747's operating CHC-AKL flights as part of flights from Japan.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
The smaller wings and lower weights of the 733s compared to the 73G and A319 makes them ideal on the flights of less than two hours. There currently isn't a good plane to replace the 733s. 737NGs and A320s are better suited for flights between Australia and New Zealand as they have more range.

The 73G makes up a large part of the weight difference with the 733 by having engines with a lower SFC and a more efficient wing. It can efficiently replace the 733 while allowing greater flexibility.



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4128 times:
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Quoting NZCH (Thread starter):
The 737 300's have been around a long time

No they haven't. Not with us anyway. ZK-NGA, our first -300 arrived in 1998.

Quoting NZCH (Thread starter):
some of Air NZ's 737's are some of the first made

Ahh, no. Most of our fleet were delivered new or nearly new. ZK-NGO is probably the oldest, having transferred from British Airways.

Quoting NZCH (Thread starter):
Air New Zealand have the last ever made 737 which I think was in the early 1990's but I don't know the reg.

That would be ZK-NGJ

Quoting NZCH (Thread starter):
they have 13 of them to use on Australian and pacific routes

Soon to be 14. ZK-OJO arrives shortly

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
Does anybody know if NZ have any plans to refurbish the 733's with maybe the 320's leather seating?

No plans to do so at all. Doubt if it will ever happen.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Mostly the only time you will now see an A320 on domestic is when a B733 is in MX

A320's quite regularly operate domestically as a means of positioning them between AKL/WLG and CHC. They are not normally incorporated into the schedule, because it happens on an ad-hoc basis. If one needs positioning, it is swapped with a 733 at that time to enable this to happen. Better to fly with pax, than empty.

NZ1


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11847 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4125 times:
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Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 16):
I got a 320 on AKL-CHC in september. I believe if you check the schedules at www.airnz.co.nz there are a few 320's operating AKL-CHC and a few 767/747's operating CHC-AKL flights as part of flights from Japan.

Like I said A320s on domestic are rare. After searching NZs schedules from February 13th till February 17th, I only found one A320 flight that was AKL-CHC route on friday at 6am. That would be for an International ex CHC. 767s and 747s don't really count as they are a contination of the Japan International flights, but yes domestic can travel on them, thats if you want to go throu all the problems of having your passport for the flight and filling out the arrival card etc


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Actually, (having just crewed one of these recently) domestic passengers don't need their passport or to fill out any forms. They just have to check in at the international counters, and checkin 60 minutes prior to the flight, rather than 30.


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User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

This pleasant discussion sent me to my passenger log book. Astonished to find that since they first appeared I have flown on NZ 733s 733 times to date. Quite a coincidence. Tomorrow morning, however, it becomes 734.

PS. probably 90% of those sectors have been in 11A or 11F.


User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 21):
PS. probably 90% of those sectors have been in 11A or 11F.

I think you may mean 12A or F, and there actually is no 11A or F on Air New Zealand's 733's due to the emergency exit door requiring the deletion of a seat either side.


User currently offlineRongotai From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 477 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

I think you may mean 12A or F.

You are correct - finger hit the wrong key. The absence of 11A and F is precisely why I go for 12A/F.


User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting Rongotai (Reply 23):
The absence of 11A and F is precisely why I go for 12A/F.

As do I whenever I fly domestically on NZ! These are great seats!

In fact, an NZ flight attendant friend tells me one of their ex-SJ 733's DOES have an 11A.. but not an 11F!!


25 Mr AirNZ : Thinking off hand I think it might be SJE with 11A. Could be wrong (my memory aint perfect), but one of the sure does.
26 RichardJF : I had noticed that Waiouru army base had an airport with a 3900ft runway. I wonder if an airport name change (like Ryanair likes to do) to Ohakune-Wai
27 ODwyerPW : I would think the Embraer 195 would be the perfect airplane for NZ Domestic. Actually, it could even serve a few Australia to New Zealand destinations
28 JoFMO : Where is that base? Is it next to the snowie vulkano mountain on the north island (Mont Tongariro if I remember correctly)?
29 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Huh? I never once said they should or they were leaving. I just stated what someone said on here a few months ago? What are you on about?
30 Planemanofnz : I don't know about NZ to Australia but some of the regional Embrarer aircraft would be very well suited to NZ - I wonder if they would look into it.
31 RoseFlyer : 72,490lbs empty weight for the 733 compared to 84,100lbs for the 73G is a significant difference when the extra performance of the 73G is not needed.
32 JoFMO : If NZ begins to replace it's domestic 733, they should go with A319. I wouldn't suggest another type in form of a regional jet. Besides the triangle A
33 Mr AirNZ : Yes their is a runway but no facilities at all at this airfield (it is purely a military field for the Hercs.). Waiouru wouldn't be the best place to
34 ZKNSJ : plus im led to believe that the runway at waiouru was built against the prevailing winds, back in the old ministry of works days
35 777ER : I know you never said that they should or are leaving. I was meaning and backing up your statement. In reply 3 you said I also recall someone saying
36 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Probably was. It was a while back.
37 Airnz777pilot : I'm not sure but i read somewhere that Air NZ are moving more towards boeing and that would probely mean not going towards the A318
38 Planemanofnz : Would NZ ever consider getting blended winglets on the 733's instead?
39 Mr AirNZ : Nothing is decided, they are not leaning anyway. All options remain open.
40 777ER : Why would NZ want to move towards Boeing when the A320 family suit short haul perfectly cause of the cargo side. The A318 isnt in the A320 options, o
41 Mr AirNZ : Blended winglets achieve very little on short routes like the 733's operate You might be surprised what will happen, as I said all options remain ope
42 NZ1 : No. They ain't gonna be around long enough to recoup the cost of installation. Don't be too sure my friend. NZ1
43 Post contains images Mr AirNZ : If only all the pilots I have contact with 'spoke the same tune,' then I would know exactly whats going on
44 Pilotdude09 : I think NZ should stick with its old mate boeing, they have boeing jets now they have had boeing jets and they havent cause NZ much trouble they have
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