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Volunteer For The Bump And Get Ssss Free! Rhaa!  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Hey all,

On Friday evening CO22 was overbooked (as always would I be tempted to say) so they asked for volunteers to get bumped (500$ voucher, hotel, yadda, yadda).

My wife and myself took it along with 4 other people and guess what ? we all got "SSSS" on the new BP's (even though I'm PE and wife is SE).

Upon questioning it, CO told us we had been "randomly selected by the TSA" whereas the TSA claimed it was the airline's doing.

Thanks to this preferential treatment my wife is now refusing to set foot in the US again.

Has anyone else taken the bump and got the dreaded letters ?

UTA


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
Upon questioning it, CO told us we had been "randomly selected by the TSA" whereas the TSA claimed it was the airline's doing.

If you can actually prove it was the airline's doing, I would not only fly them again but I would file a discrimination claim against them.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21499 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Why would the airline do that to someone who just helped them out?

And how sensitive is your wife that she won't come back to the US because she was subjected to extra random screening?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
And how sensitive is your wife that she won't come back to the US because she was subjected to extra random screening?

Given that both of them were "randomly" selected when they were already approved "randomly" to board without extra screening, and you add the uncertainty of just why they were chosen, she has plenty to complain about.



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
Why would the airline do that to someone who just helped them out?

You have to ask that to CO as we all had the "SSSS", I saw it with my own eyes. None of us had them on the original BP's.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
And how sensitive is your wife that she won't come back to the US because she was subjected to extra random screening?

How would you like to have the contents of your handbag and hand luggage emptied in trays with a really insensitive TSA agent asking stupid questions ?
Furthermore when you don't travel that much and are used to being relatively well treated by European security screening it does make a difference.

BTW even with SSSS razors get through  Yeah sure

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 4):
BTW even with SSSS razors get through

If you are talking about shaving razors, they have always gotten through. They are not dangerous and are not banned.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

Very interesting. I always understood it was the TSA that set the standard for the SSSS bullshit. Now they tell you it was the carrier???

Hmmmm, I'd get to the bottom of this if you really want to know - and then post it here for everyone. Perhaps you can get a CO rep and a TSA idiot on the same square of carpet and ask them.

What seems fishy to me:

None of you had it on your original flight and all of you had it on the rebooked flight.

If you weren't a threat on day X before you voluntarily bumped, then why were you a threat on day Y? Silly assed rule anyway . . . as aer most of things coming out of the TSA (lighters in-fricckin-deed).


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

My experience is that a last minute change to the booking means you're a good target for that 4 letter word.

I changed my flight to an earlier flight once (on UA for LAX-SFO), and the new boarding pass had SSSS on it.



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
Has anyone else taken the bump and got the dreaded letters ?

Been a SSSS a few times, not when bumped though. But yeah, it's all bullshit. The carrier told me that it was the TSA, while TSA said that I had been selected by the airline for a special screening.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Well, I would hardly call it discrimination. You have been caught up by some "random" selection, probably based on a lot of factors, like last minute rebooking. If your bump has been read as this in some system, you are tagged.

Although annoying, that's the way air traffic works in the US. I don't defend it in anyway, but don't take it personal. It could happen to anyone, right?



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User currently offlineIndustrybuff From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2003, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4997 times:

Hi All

I had my first experience with SSSS in LAX in September flying HP LAX to LAS. Im airline staff and was on a standby fare - out comes the boarding pass and also the SSSS code, it was totally scary and made me ask why I got selected. When I arrived in LAS (still shaking might I add), I sought out a HP rep and they advised that you will be selected 100% of the time if you
1) book on the same day of travel, 2) pay with cash at the airport or 3) Buy a one way fare on the day of travel ......

I will make sure I list for all my flights before the day of travel in future !!

horrible experience....

Cheers


User currently onlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

I think you all overdramatize this SSSS thing. I get SSSS-ed on many of my flights in the USA and was usually dealt with pretty friendly and quick.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5765 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Would you like some cheese with your whine?
 Smile
It IS the TSA that sets the standards.
I believe that anyone who has already obtained a boarding pass, and then changes their flight plan, is a potential suspect. I can see their reasoning, can't you? It's also part of the reason why baggage can no longer fly on an airplane if the person to whom it belongs isn't seated on that airplane.

How would I like to have the contents of your handbag and hand luggage emptied in trays with a really insensitive TSA agent asking stupid questions?
I'd love to- it was a part of airline travel for three years after September eleventh. Surely you haven't forgotten what happened on that date, have you?

Furthermore when you don't travel that much and are used to being relatively well treated by European security screening it does make a difference.
Well then maybe we'd both be happier if you limited your travel to the European continent.
But avoid Israel- I hear their security (and El Al's- the airline that DOES discriminate, and DOES violate your personal space with NO APOLOGY- and more power to them) makes ours look like a joke.

 Yeah sure


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19202 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

What code are you talking in? SSSS, PE, SE, BP... 123, ABC... what? I've got a headache.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
If you are talking about shaving razors, they have always gotten through. They are not dangerous and are not banned.

Depends on the type of razor. I stopped shaving with a straight razor in September 2001.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
SSSS

SSSS is the code on a boarding pass that indicates you will be subjected to more extensive screening.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 13):
BP

Boarding pass

I have no idea what SE and PE are.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
And how sensitive is your wife that she won't come back to the US because she was subjected to extra random screening?

I don't consider myself sensitive yet I avoid the flying through the US like the plague (even though it is significantly cheaper on many journeys)

I'm 6' tall with tan skin and dark hair. I have a non-Christian name (and non-Muslim for that matter not that the tool at the TSA would be able to tell). To the TSA's "random" selection process the chances of me getting some extra attention is close to 100%.

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 4):
How would you like to have the contents of your handbag and hand luggage emptied in trays with a really insensitive TSA agent asking stupid questions ?

I don't like being treated like Osama's right hand man by US customs but I realize there is no way around it given my appearance. At least your search was based on you being re-issued tickets on the date of travel my numerous searches was based on my skin colour and name.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
Surely you haven't forgotten what happened on that date, have you?

Wow, facetious and patronizing and yet meaningless at the same time.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
Well then maybe we'd both be happier if you limited your travel to the European continent.

As I mentioned above I avoid flying in the US like the plague, don't get me wrong I love parts of the US and have many, many great friends and family (both naturalized and born) there but until the TSA adopts a more scientific approach to its screening selections, US air travel will be as a last resort for me.

Stories like this one being a good indicator of the state of things.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 16):
I don't like being treated like Osama's right hand man by US customs but I realize there is no way around it given my appearance. At least your search was based on you being re-issued tickets on the date of travel my numerous searches was based on my skin colour and name.

How would you know that?



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Quoting Industrybuff (Reply 10):
I had my first experience with SSSS in LAX in September flying HP LAX to LAS. Im airline staff and was on a standby fare - out comes the boarding pass and also the SSSS code, it was totally scary and made me ask why I got selected. When I arrived in LAS (still shaking might I add), I sought out a HP rep and they advised that you will be selected 100% of the time if you

What exactly did they do to you to distress you so much? I've been SSSS'd ... oh, three or four times (once when I lost my driver's license on the way to the airport -- d'oh!) and it's irritating, but a.) sometimes quicker going through the special SSSS line and b.) certainly not on the level of a body cavity search. Or maybe it was for you. Anyway, I'm curious as to why exactly your experience was so bad.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):
I'd love to- it was a part of airline travel for three years after September eleventh. Surely you haven't forgotten what happened on that date, have you?

No one's forgotten that. But there's plenty of reason to wonder if the current approach to aviation security is sane/effective/efficient/metric of your choosing. Certainly if it was an upsetting experience for UTA_flyinghigh, it could have been handled better. My interactions with the TSA have been overwhelmingly positive, but I know considerable potential exists for an unnecessarily unpleasant screening experience.



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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 15):
I have no idea what SE and PE are.

Ooops I forget that A.net is not FT.  Wink

PE = Platinum Elite, GE = Gold Elite, SE = Silver Elite; in short tier levels in FF programs.

UTA  checkeredflag 



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User currently offlineJumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Beginning 2006, the criteria for Secondary Search will change. There will be "more random searches" according to the Director of Homeland Security.
It seems too many people are understanding the criteria, including the bad boys. (you have all discussed it here)

By the way Homeland sets the rules, TSA implements then, but the computer assigns the dreaded SSS.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4870 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 17):
How would you know that?

After finishing university I spent 6months travelling in the US and South America as a group of 5 friends. We always booked our tickets at the same time and always flew together. Our group could be profiled as follows:

Name Etymology | Passport | Age | Gender | Skin Colour
1 Christian/Enlgish Canadian 22 M White
2 Christian/Nordic Canadian 22 M White
3 Christian/Spanish Canadian 22 M Tan
4 Russian/Russian Canadian 22 M White
5 Hindu/Hindu Canadian 22 M Tan

In this 6 months period we flew through ROC, DFW, MCO, JFK, LAS, LAX, MKE, LGB, PHL, ORD, PHX. Not only was I the only one of us 5 ever given special "love" by security I was given this special treatment no less than 9 times.

By process of elimination if you're non-white and have a non-christian name, pencil in some extra time for security.

I realize keeping the skies safe is imperative but there is a real imbalance in how people are treated. We drove down to Rochester from Canada and the border guards were thorough but still respectful and fair in their duties, something I can't say for airport security in the US.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 21):
By process of elimination if you're non-white and have a non-christian name, pencil in some extra time for security.

Well I am non-white and have what most would not recognize as a Christian name, and have only been SSSSed once when I flew on a one-way ticket. Special screening didn't mount to much more than going through a separate line and getting wanded. And the rest of the people in the special screening line were mostly white. I would suggest that something more than your name and skin color triggered the special screening, even if they did contribute to it.



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

I don't know what exactly goes on, but my understanding is that the "SSSS" determination is made in the reservation system of the airline but using a set of [confidential] criteria supplied by the TSA... It's not like there's a button the agent hits that says "Screen 'em extra hard". (Perhaps there is, in addition to the automated criteria)

For what its worth, though, it appears from my limited eavesdropping that the airlines do mantain some level of control... While I was at LAS waiting at the podium to ask a question and two agents were talking...

"You know those 6 people that Northwest is sending us off their Detroit flight?"
"Yeah"
"Every single one of them got hit with 'SSSS'"
"Really, all of them?"
"Yes"
"Just tell them not to worry about it, I'll go to the checkpoint and waive them through" (or something to that effect)



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13070 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Part of reasonining for the 'random' SSSS (Special Stupid Security Stuff) is to keep a wide range of people guessing and concerned of possible additional screening rather than on certain narrow criteria (middle eastern appearance, name, nationality). If you are too narrow and don't look at others, then you get people like Richard Reid of shoe bomb fame. If you have a broad program, then you catch the pregant Irish national wife of an Islamic terrorist who had a bomb on her and to board an ELAL flight at LHR a number of years ago ElAl's security caught her with their everyone is a suspect security. If you make it too predictable as to security, that is know what the security is looking for or who they look at, then you get 9/11 attacks.

25 Jonathan-l : I'm glad random screening has nothing to do with frequent flyer status.
26 Malaysia : Airline Employees who fly non-rev often end up as SSSS passengers anyway.
27 KaiGywer : Boohoo, cry me a river. If this is her biggest concern in the world, I'd say she must live a pretty easy life. Been there done that several times. So
28 Ejmmsu : The last two times I stood-by for an earlier flight, my new boarding pass/security document had SSSS on it.
29 Ikramerica : Funny, I saw you post, then double checked when it said PE and SE, because to me, if she's SE, she travels "that much" which is why I felt and feel s
30 Ejmmsu : I don't belive there were any questions asked. I went to the NW counter, said "I'm on the 12:36 to DTW, I was wondering if you had any space availabl
31 Post contains images Xjramper : I cannot tell all the info about it, but if your flight was changed inside of a 24 hour window prior to the flight, you will get selected. If it is th
32 GeorgiaAME : Please, spare me the sob story. You don't want to come to the States? Fine. Stay home. I'm sure you don't like jet lag anyway. I have had elite status
33 YOWza : Well when flying from Canada to South Africa ATL is quite attractive especially as I have friends and family there so if it were not such a pain I wo
34 HT : During my last visits in the U.S., I got SSSS on my bp only on one instance: Flying AA (actually American Eagle) SNA - SJC the auto-checkin didn´t w
35 HT : I assume the following: Any pax transiting in the U.S. much comply with the immigration requirements setup for his nationality. In case a foreign nat
36 UN_B732 : I believe airlines can influence it, as I was once on a round-trip ticket with jetBlue, the agent was rude and treated us inferiorly as we were speaki
37 Post contains images SHUPirate1 : If I am not mistaken, the reason the auto-checkin didn't work for you was BECAUSE you had the "dreaded SSSS" on your boarding pass...that said, someb
38 Petazulu : UTA, If your wife will no longer fly to the US over a SSSS screening, she is perhaps a bit too sensitive? All the extra screening involves is a little
39 PHLJJS : The reason for the SSSS is because of the change to the reservation. You took the later flight, accepted compensation and because of you took a later
40 A319XFW : I've only flown out of the US twice, but once I got the 'SSSS' treatment. HOWEVER, this was probably because I was 3 hours early for my flight (I thou
41 BR715-A1-30 : I've gotten SSSS everytime I fly Standby... I don't have a problem with it, as I have nothing to hide. In fact, I find that I usually get to the front
42 Sabena332 : I was never picked out for this special SSSS screening, even not when I flew FRA-JFK and return on the same day and also not when I flew HAM-CDG-DTW-L
43 N1120A : I was talking about a typical safety razor.
44 MDorBust : Seriously is it that much of a pain to you? You got your stuff tossed and were on your way right? They didn't take any special pictures of the wife or
45 Halls120 : I've had the same experience. I was "randomly" selected for additional screening in OAK last week, and it was both a joke and incredibly inefficient.
46 HZ747300 : And it does not have to be this way--it is very clear to everyone, but the US Government and TSA that there are definite enemies of the US and then t
47 Aussieindc : Um, a little bit of extra TLC by the TSA for a $500 voucher, hotel, yadda, yadda..... Heck, you could give me the probe for that if it didn't inconve
48 N1120A : Since when is it a crime to pay with cash? That is racism and illegal in the US Well, there go the business travellers.
49 HZ747300 : It's not - but it would raise a flag. As long as people feel that way, the problem will never be addressed--and no one will talk about the big elepha
50 SonOfACaptain : Ah come on. Random screening does not mean anybody but you. It happens. I have got it before... it is not a big deal. -SOAC
51 Post contains images N1120A : Why? What is wrong with paying by cash? Just because someone doesn't subscribe to the modern theory of being in debt from birth to death doesn't make
52 Tornado82 : Each and EVERY time I had changed itineraries via a reaccomodation or the time I volunteered to take "the bump" that involved going through security
53 FCYTravis : I got nailed with the dreaded SSSS last week after my US Airways SFO-PHL flight got canceled and I was invol rerouted on a full-F last minute fare on
54 Halls120 : Consider yourself lucky. It usually takes more time, but that isn't the point. The point is, it is a relative WASTE of security effort and funding re
55 Navairjax : I do find it funny though that I've never been selected on the airlines which I am an FF with(AA, DL, FL, UA, WN). On the other hand almost every oth
56 Bridogger6 : You know, what probably happened? They made a new reservation for the new flight that they rebooked you and your wife for. Then, when they checked you
57 Suv : I am a white American male. I was born in the U.S. My parents and grandparents were born in the US. I have darkish hair, am quite tan most of the year
58 Post contains images Litz : I'll give you a SSSS story ... Was on AA headed from McAllen, TX back to Atlanta, which requires a plane change in Dallas (gee, surprise) ... Flight w
59 Post contains images SHUPirate1 : Presumably to waste ink, therefore making American lose more money...
60 COFreqFlyer : I'm platinum with CO. I've taken the bump MANY times (quite profitably, I might add), and not once have I ever been selected for additional screening
61 Post contains images Vegasplanes : Maybe on HP, but on another carrier which I frequently book flights and fly within hours of each other I have yet to be selected for an extra search.
62 N1120A : I do have a problem with the way the TSA works because what they do is anything but random.
63 HT : Many thanks for the detailed description of conditions and procedures. -HT
64 Euclid : You don't know this lady personally, yet you stoop to attacking her on a personal level. Were you there when she was screened? I gather your answer w
65 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Less stupid than you. Do a little math and you'll figure out how to be silver in one J-trip. Won't even bother answering the rest. UTA    Edit : Di
66 Ejmmsu : As far as the "racial profiling" that allegedly (and in some cases certainly does) occurs, its certainly an unfortunate, yet understandable circumstan
67 Post contains images YOWza : Firstly it's not right to treat somebody like a criminal just because they're Muslim. On top of that my point is that I'm not even 1% Muslim so I don
68 Halls120 : The point? Just further illustration of TSA's sad inefficiency and refusal to undertake real security improvements. Ummm, did you hear the phrase "Be
69 Flyboy_se : How do you become PE and SE if you dont travel that much?
70 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : I travel that much As for my wife, see above - 1 J segment a year is all that is needed for FB Silver. UTA
71 Vs25 : I dont have a problem with the TSA, really I don't. The inconsistencies between airports are mildly annoying (do I take my shoes off or not?). Maybe i
72 JohnJ : Well, if I were to apply this logic I've already chalked some important countries off the places I'll allow myself to visit. I got a pretty thorough
73 HS748 : Why does it matter if you get extra screening? It's just a security check and if you've got nothing to hide you've got nothing to fear. She needs to g
74 Aussieindc : Yes, the gereral consensus is that the dreaded SSSS code is a waste of taxpayers money etc. What gets me though, is if the regular TSA agents were to
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