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OS To Fly Scheduled Service To Irak  
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3872 times:

OS will start a non-stop service scheduled service to Irak as the first European airline.
The flight will be not to Bagdad but to Erbil in northern Irak. The service will start March 19 and will be operated twice weekly.
Plane will be A319. Flight OS 829 will depart VIE every Thursday and Sunday at 8:15pm and will arrive in Erbil the following day at 2am. Flight OS 830 will depart every Friday and Monday at 3:45 am and will arrive in VIE at 5:50am.
After May 2, the frequency should increase to three times a week.

What do you guys think? Pretty weird right??? I think Austrian is pretty a daredevil on this one. I mean, Irak? Now? Well, we will see how well they do soon.
Regards,
Adam
PS: I feel sorry for the pilots arriving in Irak Monday and staying there until Friday. I would not stay in Irak a single day at this situation. Well, just me.
Source: http://www.airways.cz/zpravy/zprava.asp?id=761 (Czech only)


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User currently offlineAirRuss From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

Wouldn't the crew do both legs? It appears to be a 4 hour flight, which is do-able roundtrip with the same crew. Plus it would solve the hotel and security issue for any crew that needed to layover.

User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

I wish them all the luck in the world. Someone will have to start service there someday, if OS feels that they can make a run at it now... safely and profitably... then more power to them. From what I've read, it's not as bad in the north. It's a shame what a mess that country is. I hope for a speedy recovery (or healing as it were).

User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

I think this is a good sign. RJ is currently the only commercial airline serving Irak right? Albino planes flying to Saddam Int'l in Baghdad?

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 3):
I think this is a good sign. RJ is currently the only commercial airline serving Irak right? Albino planes flying to Saddam Int'l in Baghdad?

RJ uses leased Fokker 28's that carry South African Registrations, they operate to Baghdad International. (Sadaam Int'l is no longer the name).


User currently offlineBrokenrecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 772 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 4):
RJ uses leased Fokker 28's that carry South African Registrations, they operate to Baghdad International. (Sadaam Int'l is no longer the name).

And those F28's are albino no?

Thanks for the correction on the name.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
I feel sorry for the pilots arriving in Irak Monday and staying there until Friday. I would not stay in Irak a single day at this situation. Well, just me.

Obviously, they aren't laying over in Iraq. The crew will either operate the return flight (if it is within the maximum hours, which is usually 8 hours) or deadhead on the return flight.



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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3743 times:
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Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 4):
Sadaam Int'l is no longer the name).

They should have left the name for nostalgia.

There was already a thread about this too--it is in the far north of the country in the area referred to as Kurdistan. It is probably safer there than anywhere else in Iraq to restart commercial aviation services. The airport has a website with some pictures if you are interested:

http://www.hawlerairport.org/

I thought someone would have started Basra services by now too.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 7):
They should have left the name for nostalgia.

If TXL were named "Hitler Internationaler Flughafen," would you leave that? If you were Jewish, would you like flying into that airport in Berlin?



When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3704 times:

Air Kurdistan already operate flights to Erbil to various European cities. Also a Turkish airline will start soon.
The situation in Kurdistan is a lot different than in the rest of Iraq.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Some more info in a different thread.
Austrian To Fly To Iraq (by Backfire Jan 9 2006 in Civil Aviation)

YOWza



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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting Semsem (Reply 9):
Air Kurdistan already operate flights to Erbil to various European cities.

Interesting. Which cities? How often do they fly? What type of plane do they have? Any more info on them?


User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 11):
Interesting. Which cities? How often do they fly? What type of plane do they have? Any more info on them?

There is a 2 x weekly Service with a HHI Aircraft Arbil-Frankfurt


User currently offlineOSA330 From Austria, joined Jun 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

The cheapest ticket is available for ~ € 840 (departing from Vienna). If they can sell all seats in the A319, they will make a lot of money!

User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Quoting OSA330 (Reply 13):
If they can sell all seats in the A319, they will make a lot of money!

I wonder if 3/4 of that will go to the Crew that operate the flight. They may not be too happy with flying that route.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineOSA330 From Austria, joined Jun 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 14):
I wonder if 3/4 of that will go to the Crew that operate the flight. They may not be too happy with flying that route.

I assume that there will be no crew rest in Iraq. Flight time isn't that long, a return should be possible within the same rotation. Flights to Tehran might be as long as those to Arbil, I don't believe that the crew remains in Iran. Maybe they wouldn't find any volunteers to do that. Furthermore, there won't be any interesting things to do there. No shopping or entertainment, I would fear leaving the hotel although the region was declared as a safe one. The situation can change daily requiring a temporary stopping without any announcement.
As an Austrian employee you're entitled to numerous salary surcharges (depending on union contract), for instance in case of very hard working conditions. You are probably right when mentioning that the money is used to attract employees.  Smile


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Kurdistan Airlines web site

http://www.kurdistan-airlines.be/


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

Quoting Semsem (Reply 16):
Kurdistan Airlines web site

http://www.kurdistan-airlines.be/

Interesting site, but are they planning to get their own aircraft?


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

I think they are still using chartered planes. It is a bit confusing. A Turkish airline will soon be flying there.

[Edited 2006-01-13 08:10:59]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 4):
RJ uses leased Fokker 28's that carry South African Registrations, they operate to Baghdad International. (Sadaam Int'l is no longer the name).

What about flights by Iraqi Airways? How are those doing?

Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter):
Plane will be A319. Flight OS 829 will depart VIE every Thursday and Sunday at 8:15pm and will arrive in Erbil the following day at 2am. Flight OS 830 will depart every Friday and Monday at 3:45 am and will arrive in VIE at 5:50am.
After May 2, the frequency should increase to three times a week.

Why to Erbil and not SDA?

Slightly off topic, what is Baghdad International's ICAO code? I'm not sure if it is ORBI as according to http://worldaerodata.com/, because airlinecodes.co.uk lists it as ORBS (so does A.net). BTW, they should change the IATA code as well, it still has some connection to Saddam Hussein because of the letters in it, just as the ICAO code with its final letter.


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):
Why to Erbil and not SDA?

See:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 10):
Some more info in a different thread.
Austrian To Fly To Iraq (by Backfire Jan 9 2006 in Civil Aviation)

YOWza

From that thread:
OS press statement excerpt: The city of Erbil in Kurdistan is a safe gateway into Iraq. With a population approaching one million people, Erbil is the fourth-largest city in Iraq, and the fastest-growing in the country. The United Nations Organisation plans to set up a support point for Iraq in Erbil. A range of renowned companies are currently active in the developing and expanding the regional economy of Kurdistan, while Erbil also provides rapid and safe overland access to the cities of Mosul, Kirkuk and Sulaymaniyah. The integration of the new service to Erbil into Austrian’s global route network will open up numerous European and intercontinental connecting flights into Iraq via the company’s Vienna hub.

And:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 6):
Quoting VORFMD (Reply 1):
Why not to Baghdad

Erbil is much safer than Baghdad and is in the Kurdish north away from the bulk of the ruckus that is going on at the moment. It is an ideal entry point into Iraq for oil related business travel as it is only a short drive to the oil fields of Kirkuk and other centres of commcerce such as Dohuk, and Sulemaniyah.

YOWza


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