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Northwest Details Newco Regional Subsidiary Plan  
User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 895 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Here's a link

Aviationnow Article on Northwest Newco subsidiary

Personally, I hate the name Newco. Read the article. Let me know if you agree with me and prefer Heartland as the name.

Gonna put an end to allot of I wonder what NW will replace ther DC-9s with? threads.


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User currently offlineMrMcCoy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Well, after the BK filing, I'd want a "newco" name! Big grin All joking aside, that's a botched name. Newco = foolco = no-co = geez, what a dumpy name.

Sad to see NW eying the CRJ's, but the new Embraers might be a good fit--albeit a tad pricey. Certainly the Avro's have seen the end of a long service life. We aren't seeing many of these trading well on the open market.



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

My word, I honestly thought I was reading some little paper out of MSP or something, then I realized it's an aviation publication.

Quote:
When Cohen and former US Airways CEO David Siegel were reorganizing the airline three years ago, they formed the Pittsburgh-based MidAtlantic Airways division as a way to operate close to 30 larger regional jets.

Well, no, they formed the division as a way to operate 85 EMB-170s, not close to 30. They had firm orders for 85 birds. It just happened that they reentered bankruptcy and were only able to take delivery of 25 of them.

Quote:
MidAtlantic used the FAA operating certificate of Potomac Air, which was formed as part of the proposed merger with United.

That's just completely and totally wrong. That was briefly their original plan, to use the Potomac certificate. For a number of reasons, however, they decided to instead not use a separate certificate, and they just put the planes on the US Airways certificate, where over half of them remain today. The decision to use the US certificate, and not the Potomac certificate, was made before the aircraft were even ordered, and was/is very well-known and in no way a secret.

NW does want to create a new airline with its own certificate, which is not what happened at US, regardless of what this very poorly researched article might say.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

launched an aggressive internal campaign to win over employees on its plan to form a new regional subsidiary that would fly more than 100 jets with 76-100 seats focused in the U.S. heartland.

Good luck with that, especially when NW employees look over at their counter-parts at US and find them operating the Emb-190 mainline.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 2):

Ah, you just beat me to it.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 2):
they decided to instead not use a separate certificate

I think forced (in a technically voluntary way) is the better term to use.

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

"Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats."

Right...I seem to count 69 chairs in those four-engined fuelhogs of theirs at Mesaba...



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 4):
"Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats."

Right...I seem to count 69 chairs in those four-engined fuelhogs of theirs at Mesaba...

Dude, as I've pointed out, the article's got problems. But you're not doing yourself any favors by misquoting it by "losing" the first half of a sentence.  Silly

That sentence reads:
Subject to certain limited exceptions, Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 895 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Does anyone like Heartland?

Anyone have any better names?

How about North by Northwest?



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6923 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 6):
Anyone have any better names?

How about North by Northwest?

What the name of this venture is is quite literally the LAST concern anyone should have.

Besides, North by Northwest was a Hitchcock film--might be appropriate given the state of NW right now.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

I don't really like any of the mentioned names..... It should be COMPLETELY different, like Song was from Delta. I still think Song was the model that LCC's should strive for (a bit off-topic, I know).


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User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

The pilots aren't going for this at NW, if you read the other article on that site yesterday the pilots said they'd strike if NW goes forward with the plans for NEWCO. NW's problems are starting to sound like the labor problems Eastern had.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):
Dude, as I've pointed out, the article's got problems. But you're not doing yourself any favors by misquoting it by "losing" the first half of a sentence.

Whoops...that's what I get for posting during a time of day that most of the Eastern Time Zone is fast asleep...



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8):
I don't really like any of the mentioned names..... It should be COMPLETELY different, like Song was from Delta. I still think Song was the model that LCC's should strive for (a bit off-topic, I know).

Like... Say.... North Central????


User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

Do you actually think that the pilots would strike? Given the state of the industry right now, if they were to strike I wonder if NW wouldn't just say we are done, close it's doors, then reopen later. I just don't think now is the time to make that stand....I would rather get through this, get the company back in the black, and then lets talk. When a company is on more stable grounds they are able to give more.

And how would NEWCO play out with the RFP that went out for some airlink flying? Would NEWCO repalce that RFP?



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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Sounds like Ted by any other name.

Slap on some paint, take out first class and cram as many seats as possible, and try to sell it to suspicious employees and customers as a new, low cost "airline within an airline".

Give me a break.  Yeah sure

When will airline management wake up and realize that these ventures don't work.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

The new airline will be called


JET RED.

As all the employees will be Red in the face for a variety of reasons.


Safe Flying  Smile



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User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 666 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

NEWCO is not the name of the new company. Newco referers to New Company, and will likely have a better name when it comes closer to becoming a reality.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting ODwyerPW (Thread starter):
Personally, I hate the name Newco.

Obviously, that won't be the name of the new subsidiary. It stands, I thin, for "New Company", and certainly won't be the brand name. That's simply the internal name for this project at this time.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Remember, before it was jetBlue, it was known as "New Air" in the developmental stage.
Newco is just the label for a project.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17821 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8):
It should be COMPLETELY different

The name doesn't matter....it will never be painted on the side of the plane other than to maybe say "Operated by such-n-such". It will be like Midatlantic Airways, PSA, Chautauqua, Skywest, Mesa, etc. It will not be like Song/Ted.

Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 13):
Sounds like Ted by any other name.

No, not at all. NW wants to start this entity to get a bunch of 70-100 seaters crewed by, preferably, non union crews at lower rates. This is what Ted may WANT to be but there is no resemblance to Ted whatsoever.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12281 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1953 times:
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More name ideas:

Blizzard Air
Mosquito Express
HumidAir

 Smile



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

How about:


Northern Airlines
Mid America Airways (since they are obviously following MidAtlantic's creation)
The Litte Red Machine
Scope Aviation


User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

How about:

SCAB AIRWAYS

or

SCABWEST


User currently offlineCRAPPYSEATS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

And now ladies and gentlemen..... The beginning of the final days of Northwest Airlines. Rest in Peace.

User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21855 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 5):
That sentence reads:
Subject to certain limited exceptions, Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats.

I don't know if I'd call one of the three types of regional planes NW's affiliates operates a "limited exception."

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 12):
I would rather get through this, get the company back in the black, and then lets talk. When a company is on more stable grounds they are able to give more.

Let's say they do that. Will the management really give more once they are on stable grounds? I haven't seen anything from them to indicate that they would.

-Mir



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User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 470 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

I like "JetRed" or maybe "RedJet Lite" ?, how about Little Heartland Airways !
Oh hell, just fuel-up the DC-9s and keep going as Northwurst no heart .


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