MrMcCoy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2767 times:
Well, after the BK filing, I'd want a "newco" name! All joking aside, that's a botched name. Newco = foolco = no-co = geez, what a dumpy name.
Sad to see NW eying the CRJ's, but the new Embraers might be a good fit--albeit a tad pricey. Certainly the Avro's have seen the end of a long service life. We aren't seeing many of these trading well on the open market.
It only takes five years to go from rumor to standard operating procedure.
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2724 times:
My word, I honestly thought I was reading some little paper out of MSP or something, then I realized it's an aviation publication.
Quote: When Cohen and former US Airways CEO David Siegel were reorganizing the airline three years ago, they formed the Pittsburgh-based MidAtlantic Airways division as a way to operate close to 30 larger regional jets.
Well, no, they formed the division as a way to operate 85 EMB-170s, not close to 30. They had firm orders for 85 birds. It just happened that they reentered bankruptcy and were only able to take delivery of 25 of them.
Quote: MidAtlantic used the FAA operating certificate of Potomac Air, which was formed as part of the proposed merger with United.
That's just completely and totally wrong. That was briefly their original plan, to use the Potomac certificate. For a number of reasons, however, they decided to instead not use a separate certificate, and they just put the planes on the US Airways certificate, where over half of them remain today. The decision to use the US certificate, and not the Potomac certificate, was made before the aircraft were even ordered, and was/is very well-known and in no way a secret.
NW does want to create a new airline with its own certificate, which is not what happened at US, regardless of what this very poorly researched article might say.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3140 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2514 times:
I don't really like any of the mentioned names..... It should be COMPLETELY different, like Song was from Delta. I still think Song was the model that LCC's should strive for (a bit off-topic, I know).
Tbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2497 times:
The pilots aren't going for this at NW, if you read the other article on that site yesterday the pilots said they'd strike if NW goes forward with the plans for NEWCO. NW's problems are starting to sound like the labor problems Eastern had.
Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2406 times:
Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 8): I don't really like any of the mentioned names..... It should be COMPLETELY different, like Song was from Delta. I still think Song was the model that LCC's should strive for (a bit off-topic, I know).
ATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
Do you actually think that the pilots would strike? Given the state of the industry right now, if they were to strike I wonder if NW wouldn't just say we are done, close it's doors, then reopen later. I just don't think now is the time to make that stand....I would rather get through this, get the company back in the black, and then lets talk. When a company is on more stable grounds they are able to give more.
And how would NEWCO play out with the RFP that went out for some airlink flying? Would NEWCO repalce that RFP?
Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
The name doesn't matter....it will never be painted on the side of the plane other than to maybe say "Operated by such-n-such". It will be like Midatlantic Airways, PSA, Chautauqua, Skywest, Mesa, etc. It will not be like Song/Ted.
No, not at all. NW wants to start this entity to get a bunch of 70-100 seaters crewed by, preferably, non union crews at lower rates. This is what Ted may WANT to be but there is no resemblance to Ted whatsoever.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21974 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1643 times:
Quoting A330323X (Reply 5): That sentence reads:
Subject to certain limited exceptions, Northwest's current agreement with its pilots' union can't have its regional partners fly aircraft larger than 55 seats.
I don't know if I'd call one of the three types of regional planes NW's affiliates operates a "limited exception."
Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 12): I would rather get through this, get the company back in the black, and then lets talk. When a company is on more stable grounds they are able to give more.
Let's say they do that. Will the management really give more once they are on stable grounds? I haven't seen anything from them to indicate that they would.
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