Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2210 posts, RR: 3 Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12083 times:
Now at Air France, most long haul routes are with either the A330, A340, 777-200ER, or 777-300ER. Is Air France phasing out the 747s? Besides CDG-LAX-PPT which is 3x weekly, I don't know of any other destination which still gets regular 747 service.
Their 747 fleet is:
2 747-200 (SUD)
2 747-300M
6 747-400M
10 747-400
They have a total of 20 operating 747s. So, where are they?
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12068 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter): I don't know of any other destination which still gets regular 747 service.
YUL gets a regular upgrade to a 744 in the summer. ORY-RUN is a 744 as well. AF990 to JNB is a 744. Most of the 747's destinations for AF (other than LAX and YUL) are mostly tourist and VFR destinations.
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Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2210 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12060 times:
So, if most of them serve tourist destinations, will they be fitted with the new cabin?
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12047 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
So, if most of them serve tourist destinations, will they be fitted with the new cabin?
All the 744s have the NEV cabin. They have been converted from 3-class to 2-class. There are some with more Y seats that go to ultra-high density destinations. Others that have more Business seats go to places like LAX.
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Waterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12028 times:
I don't know whether it is seasonal or what, but every time I've seen an air france plane coming in to land in MIA, it's been a 744.
Dogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11990 times:
One of their B747-300's are due to fly CDG-EDI next month for the rugby.
There aren't many sightings of these aircraft, i don't know where they are usually.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11971 times:
Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 5): I don't know whether it is seasonal or what, but every time I've seen an air france plane coming in to land in MIA, it's been a 744.
I believe that's because AF, as well as BA and LH operate 747s into MIA. Just checked the AF timetable and it confirms their CDG-MIA flight is operated with a 744.
According to AF.com, KIX is a 777-300ER, while PVG is operated with a 777-200ER on flight AF112 and another flight, AF114, is a codeshare flight operated by MU with an A346.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11962 times:
Quoting Checo77 (Reply 4): What about KIX or PVG? Probably a 744 destinationa as well.
Both 777 destinations
Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 5): I don't know whether it is seasonal or what, but every time I've seen an air france plane coming in to land in MIA, it's been a 744.
You are correct sir, year round 744.
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Hinckley From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11342 times:
Does anyone know whether the CDG-JNB 744 has the upgraded cabin?
Kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2210 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 11217 times:
Is Air France planning to retire the 747s anytime soon?
LX23 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 347 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8767 times:
Since almost all of them are supposed to be in the new configs, which 744s have PTVs throughout all of Y, and which only on the upper deck? Anyone know registrations? (Maybe FlySSC?)
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7577 times:
The 747-400's operating from ORY will be replaced with 777-300's.
25 EPCOT: Air France now flies the B777-300ER into IAD from CDG with 370 seats. A B747-400 would have around 400 seats. For the difference of 30 seats, they onl
26 Dreamflight767: AF sends the 744 to SFO SOMETIMES over winter. Rarely but it does happen.
27 N1120A: The 744 is actually more efficient on a CASM basis than any in service aircraft, including both the 772ER and the 773ER Twins always have greater DR
28 TGV: Only 3 744 (newest) have PTVs at all seats. For the rest of the fleet: - in the old config, PTVs were installed in F and J only. - in the new config
29 LipeGIG: Probably F-GITJ, GITI and GITH http://www.airliners.net/open.file/355532/L/ GITJ was on GIG last sunday. Don't know about the other two locations/rou
30 Hinckley: Thanks Felipe. That means no sleeper seats in business, right?
31 Kaitak744: Wait, is their new "NEV" cabin only two class?
32 TGV: Yes for 744 (and 343, 332). Only 772, 773 (and 380) will get the NEV config with 3 classes.
33 Ikramerica: also more cargo volume on the 773er
35 Kaitak744: Thanks for clearing that up. So, is it possible that their Orly based 460 seat 747s will have more capacity than their NEV A380? Also, when is the fi
36 TGV: Not really. As our AF specialist and insider FlySSC (very silent these days, I hope he is vacationing in a place far from the internet ) wrote some t
37 LipeGIG: Yes, not so confortable as the NEV and their new flat bed seats. Felipe
38 FlySSC: OK. Here we go concerning AF's B747. No more B742 PAX in service. The last one (F-GCBJ) was retired last June 2005. 4 B743 are still in service, base
39 TGV: Hello FlySSC, happy to know you were nearby (I was in PMV last week) Does this mean F-GISA, F-GISB and F-GISC will not be converted with the NEV cabi
40 FlySSC: Correct. They won't be refitted with the new NEV seats, at least for F-GISA & F-GISB F-GISC is scheduled to be converted soon (Jan.16 to Feb.11) I do
41 TGV: Thanks ! This explains why AF is still selling First Class on the CCS flight until November at least.
42 American 767: Hi FlySSC, welcome back! Does that also mean that these two aircraft will have their upper deck length reduced to that of the original 747 variant? A
43 N1120A: They will keep the same upper deck, as reducing the upper deck size would require way too much structural adjustment. Take a look at the CX 747-400BC
44 LTU932: Or have a look at the KL 747-200B/SUD that was converted to a 747-200B/SF(SUD) and leased to MP.
45 OHLHD: When I went to RIO in Nov, both flight´s I had PTV! On the flight back it was F-GITJ. Just checked on my DIgiCam . As the flight from CDG-RIO was fu
46 LipeGIG: All flights to/from Rio from CDG come with at least 390 pax (generally 420 up to 440 due to some childrens). I believe there is no way AF to downgrad
47 DeltaGator: What would VFR have to do with selection of a 747 over another plane?
48 JAM747: I wonder if we will ever see a AF 747-800 Passenger of freighter? It would be nice to see that.
49 N1120A: VFR in this case stands for Visiting Friends and Relatives, not Visual Flight Rules. The traffic is often lower yield and a lot of seats are sold thr
50 LTU932: Just the fact that it offers GE engines could be something that might attract AF towards the 747-8. The 747-8F is a very likely possibility because A
51 FlySSC: Yes. Those a/c are used on CDG-CCS and CDG-JNB, still offering 3 classes. No. I really don't think so. B744 PAX will soon become a "souvenir" with Ai
52 MD90fan: I know AF 744 fly CGD-GIG/YUL and MIA and the classics fly the ORY-Carribean Colonial routes.
53 FlyCaledonian: Given what has been said about the loads on CDG-GIG, and the fact it uses a three-class 744, could this route be one of the first to see AF A380 servi
54 LipeGIG: FlyCaledonian, CDG-GIG uses 2 classes only (40C 393Y). Concerning to the use of A380, i believe FlySSC have better info but i don't see this bird at
55 FlySSC: I don't believe AF will use the A380 to GIG, but will instead, if needed, add a second frequency just like on CDG-GRU. The A380 routes for AF are now
56 Wrighbrothers: It's a shame to see the last AF passenger 747 classics leave this/next year , they are one of only 2 carriers in the 10 biggest airlines to still oper
57 OHLHD: ...as I wrote before I had BN433 and seat 15B . On my flight back I wasn´t completly full and I sat in the upper deck. Thanks to the Ground Staff at
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