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Air France 747 Being Phased Out?  
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 13448 times:

Now at Air France, most long haul routes are with either the A330, A340, 777-200ER, or 777-300ER. Is Air France phasing out the 747s? Besides CDG-LAX-PPT which is 3x weekly, I don't know of any other destination which still gets regular 747 service.

Their 747 fleet is:
2 747-200 (SUD)
2 747-300M
6 747-400M
10 747-400

They have a total of 20 operating 747s. So, where are they?

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User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26483 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 13433 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
I don't know of any other destination which still gets regular 747 service.

YUL gets a regular upgrade to a 744 in the summer. ORY-RUN is a 744 as well. AF990 to JNB is a 744. Most of the 747's destinations for AF (other than LAX and YUL) are mostly tourist and VFR destinations.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 13425 times:

So, if most of them serve tourist destinations, will they be fitted with the new cabin?

User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26483 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 13412 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):

So, if most of them serve tourist destinations, will they be fitted with the new cabin?

All the 744s have the NEV cabin. They have been converted from 3-class to 2-class. There are some with more Y seats that go to ultra-high density destinations. Others that have more Business seats go to places like LAX.



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User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 13402 times:

CCS is a 744 destinantion as well as Mauricius. What about KIX or PVG? Probably a 744 destinationa as well.
Adam



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13393 times:

I don't know whether it is seasonal or what, but every time I've seen an air france plane coming in to land in MIA, it's been a 744.

User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13355 times:

One of their B747-300's are due to fly CDG-EDI next month for the rugby.

There aren't many sightings of these aircraft, i don't know where they are usually.

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13336 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 5):
I don't know whether it is seasonal or what, but every time I've seen an air france plane coming in to land in MIA, it's been a 744.

I believe that's because AF, as well as BA and LH operate 747s into MIA. Just checked the AF timetable and it confirms their CDG-MIA flight is operated with a 744.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 4):
What about KIX or PVG?

According to AF.com, KIX is a 777-300ER, while PVG is operated with a 777-200ER on flight AF112 and another flight, AF114, is a codeshare flight operated by MU with an A346.


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26483 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13327 times:

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 4):
What about KIX or PVG? Probably a 744 destinationa as well.

Both 777 destinations

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 5):
I don't know whether it is seasonal or what, but every time I've seen an air france plane coming in to land in MIA, it's been a 744.

You are correct sir, year round 744.



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User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13218 times:

SFO seems to be served by 747-400, to

User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13202 times:

Right now, AF fly to at least the following destinations with the 747s:

CCS
DEL
FDF
GIG
HAV
JNB
LAX-PPT
MIA
MRU
PTP
PUJ
RUN
SDQ


User currently offlineSkyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13196 times:

MEX is served by a 747 and a 777-200ER. The daily fly is a 777 and then 3 times a week they send the 747 on a second fly.

User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13186 times:

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 9):
SFO seems to be served by 747-400, to

SFO is a 343 service right now. It will become 744 for the summer though.


User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13039 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
All the 744s have the NEV cabin.

Not yet !

Flew CDG-CCS last Dec 28th and it was still an old config 744.



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12961 times:

Is the 744 for CCS a combi?


It's Scandinavian
User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12919 times:

Quoting SAS-A321 (Reply 14):
Is the 744 for CCS a combi?

No, there is not any 744 operating as combi in the AF fleet (some ex combi have been modified).

[Edited 2006-01-10 14:03:07]


Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlineHinckley From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12707 times:

Does anyone know whether the CDG-JNB 744 has the upgraded cabin?

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12582 times:

Is Air France planning to retire the 747s anytime soon?

User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12535 times:

Is the old configuration without PTVs?


It's Scandinavian
User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12455 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 6):
One of their B747-300's are due to fly CDG-EDI next month for the rugby.

There aren't many sightings of these aircraft, i don't know where they are usually.

ORY-Caribbean I believe.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12439 times:

In the summer, the 747s will be used on the following routes from Paris:

CAY
CCS
FDF
GIG
HAV
JNB
LAX
MIA
MRU
PPT
PTP
PUJ
RUN
SDQ
SFO
YUL

So it doesn't look like they're going anywhere soon.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10701 times:

The -300 'cattle coaches' fly ORY-PTP and ORY-PPR all year round I think.


Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineLX23 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10132 times:

Since almost all of them are supposed to be in the new configs, which 744s have PTVs throughout all of Y, and which only on the upper deck? Anyone know registrations? (Maybe FlySSC?)

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9833 times:

JFK will also be a summer destination for the 747-400.


No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

The 747-400's operating from ORY will be replaced with 777-300's.

25 EPCOT : Air France now flies the B777-300ER into IAD from CDG with 370 seats. A B747-400 would have around 400 seats. For the difference of 30 seats, they onl
26 Dreamflight767 : AF sends the 744 to SFO SOMETIMES over winter. Rarely but it does happen.
27 N1120A : The 744 is actually more efficient on a CASM basis than any in service aircraft, including both the 772ER and the 773ER Twins always have greater DR
28 TGV : Only 3 744 (newest) have PTVs at all seats. For the rest of the fleet: - in the old config, PTVs were installed in F and J only. - in the new config
29 Post contains links LipeGIG : Probably F-GITJ, GITI and GITH http://www.airliners.net/open.file/355532/L/ GITJ was on GIG last sunday. Don't know about the other two locations/rou
30 Hinckley : Thanks Felipe. That means no sleeper seats in business, right?
31 Kaitak744 : Wait, is their new "NEV" cabin only two class?
32 TGV : Yes for 744 (and 343, 332). Only 772, 773 (and 380) will get the NEV config with 3 classes.
33 Ikramerica : also more cargo volume on the 773er
34 Jacobin777 : with the occasional 777-200ER's!
35 Kaitak744 : Thanks for clearing that up. So, is it possible that their Orly based 460 seat 747s will have more capacity than their NEV A380? Also, when is the fi
36 Post contains images TGV : Not really. As our AF specialist and insider FlySSC (very silent these days, I hope he is vacationing in a place far from the internet ) wrote some t
37 LipeGIG : Yes, not so confortable as the NEV and their new flat bed seats. Felipe
38 Post contains images FlySSC : OK. Here we go concerning AF's B747. No more B742 PAX in service. The last one (F-GCBJ) was retired last June 2005. 4 B743 are still in service, base
39 Post contains images TGV : Hello FlySSC, happy to know you were nearby (I was in PMV last week) Does this mean F-GISA, F-GISB and F-GISC will not be converted with the NEV cabi
40 FlySSC : Correct. They won't be refitted with the new NEV seats, at least for F-GISA & F-GISB F-GISC is scheduled to be converted soon (Jan.16 to Feb.11) I do
41 TGV : Thanks ! This explains why AF is still selling First Class on the CCS flight until November at least.
42 Post contains images American 767 : Hi FlySSC, welcome back! Does that also mean that these two aircraft will have their upper deck length reduced to that of the original 747 variant? A
43 Post contains images N1120A : They will keep the same upper deck, as reducing the upper deck size would require way too much structural adjustment. Take a look at the CX 747-400BC
44 Post contains images LTU932 : Or have a look at the KL 747-200B/SUD that was converted to a 747-200B/SF(SUD) and leased to MP.
45 Post contains images OHLHD : When I went to RIO in Nov, both flight´s I had PTV! On the flight back it was F-GITJ. Just checked on my DIgiCam . As the flight from CDG-RIO was fu
46 LipeGIG : All flights to/from Rio from CDG come with at least 390 pax (generally 420 up to 440 due to some childrens). I believe there is no way AF to downgrad
47 DeltaGator : What would VFR have to do with selection of a 747 over another plane?
48 JAM747 : I wonder if we will ever see a AF 747-800 Passenger of freighter? It would be nice to see that.
49 N1120A : VFR in this case stands for Visiting Friends and Relatives, not Visual Flight Rules. The traffic is often lower yield and a lot of seats are sold thr
50 Post contains images LTU932 : Just the fact that it offers GE engines could be something that might attract AF towards the 747-8. The 747-8F is a very likely possibility because A
51 FlySSC : Yes. Those a/c are used on CDG-CCS and CDG-JNB, still offering 3 classes. No. I really don't think so. B744 PAX will soon become a "souvenir" with Ai
52 MD90fan : I know AF 744 fly CGD-GIG/YUL and MIA and the classics fly the ORY-Carribean Colonial routes.
53 FlyCaledonian : Given what has been said about the loads on CDG-GIG, and the fact it uses a three-class 744, could this route be one of the first to see AF A380 servi
54 LipeGIG : FlyCaledonian, CDG-GIG uses 2 classes only (40C 393Y). Concerning to the use of A380, i believe FlySSC have better info but i don't see this bird at
55 Post contains images FlySSC : I don't believe AF will use the A380 to GIG, but will instead, if needed, add a second frequency just like on CDG-GRU. The A380 routes for AF are now
56 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : It's a shame to see the last AF passenger 747 classics leave this/next year , they are one of only 2 carriers in the 10 biggest airlines to still oper
57 Post contains images OHLHD : ...as I wrote before I had BN433 and seat 15B . On my flight back I wasn´t completly full and I sat in the upper deck. Thanks to the Ground Staff at
58 LipeGIG : I will copy FlySSC answer: Felipe
59 OHLHD : Thanks Felipe!
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