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Finnair's OH-LGG Getting Ready For Service  
User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Finnair's 7th MD-11 OH-LGG (cn 48753/608, ex PP-VQI) is two days from it's first inspection flight in Finnair colors, scheduled for 12th January. I've just seen the plane, looks factory-fresh on the outside but the cabin is still a mess. Finnair Technical Services is working round the clock on the plane to get it ready for it's first commercial service as AY097 HEL-BKK-SIN on Saturday 14th. They say that the refurbishing of LGG has been their biggest single task to date. The plane was in very bad condition, rumors are flying about 200 bird nests found in the insulation and air conditioning ducts, though the person in charge of the plane at Finnair would not confirm this. The delayed overhaul has forced Finnair to fly one of their A321s (OH-LZC) to Lisbon for maintenance, to be done by TAP I presume, due to lack of hangar space at HEL.

LGG will have the same basic cabin configuration as the two ex-Citybird airframes, OH-LGE and LGF. Rows 21-30 will have Varig seat upholstery for some time and the new crew-rest area features four lie-flat beds in front of the rear lavatories, causing a slight reduction in the number of passenger seats. The crew-rest is still not certified so they may have to install the old arrangement back for some time. The new business-class seats are of course superb, leg-space on row 1 and on seats 2DEH is ridicilously big. The only new thing for economy-passengers are the flat IFE monitors in the ceiling and on bulk-heads.

Happy landings GolfGolf!

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User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Thanks for the info. I'll fly to HEL tonight, and will also have business at the airport there. Maybe I'll be lucky and catch a glimpse.

Cheers
Zak


User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

She's in LEKO2, behind the old Finnair hangar with arches next to runway 04R/22L. Not visible to the runway, unfortunately, and not in shape to be towed out Sad

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3691 times:
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It's good to see that there is still an airline out there that still has MD-11's in regularly scheduled service...although, I don't know for how much longer. I believe JAL and Varig still have Passenger MD-11's in scheduled service, but they're going fast.

How about coming out the SEA again?


User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
How about coming out the SEA again?

Unfortunately not, in Finnair's case at least. There is no money to be made on Trans-Atlantic traffic with the current competition.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3644 times:
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Well, it was worth the try. Does Finnair plan on any service to the US west coast? I know they tried SFO for a little while with MD-11's. I guess SAS has cornered the Scandinavian market out of SEA.

User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
I believe JAL and Varig still have Passenger MD-11's in scheduled service

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1773888

Cheers.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3616 times:
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Ok...well that eliminates JL. Does WO fly any regularly scheduled routes like the IAH-Africa in conjunction with Sonair?

User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1249 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

I was reading in the board magazine a statement from Finnairs CEO, that they want to have more MD-11s if possible but they can simply not find any available aircrafts. This is the reason why they ordered airbus ! Well done Boeing !


Fly easyJet
User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 8):
they want to have more MD-11s if possible but they can simply not find any available aircrafts.

...and somehow I doubt they'll be buying any from Varig anymore  irked 

Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
The plane was in very bad condition, rumors are flying about 200 bird nests found in the insulation and air conditioning ducts, though the person in charge of the plane at Finnair would not confirm this.


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
I believe JAL and Varig still have Passenger MD-11's in scheduled service, but they're going fast.

Don't forget KLM. Still going strong until 2010 at least!


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12427 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

There was a report in this week's Flight to the effect that AY is reconsidering getting an eighth MD11 and instead wants to bring forward the delivery of its first A340, if it can get one.

Any comments?

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...on/177/203972/FINNAIR+Rethink.html


User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
The plane was in very bad condition, rumors are flying about 200 bird nests found in the insulation

How come? Where has this aircraft been before AY bought it?

LordHowe



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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

It was stored for a few months at VCV.


Ryanair: never again!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 12):
How come? Where has this aircraft been before AY bought it?

Look at the start of the thread, it's an ex-RG aircraft:

Quoting OHLBU (Thread starter):
OH-LGG (cn 48753/608, ex PP-VQI)


[Edited 2006-01-10 21:51:37]

User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 10):
Don't forget KLM. Still going strong until 2010 at least!

I thought it was 2012 that KL would retire those birds?

Leo



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User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting LFutia (Reply 15):
I thought it was 2012 that KL would retire those birds?

You may well be right. That's why I said "at least".
Anyway, it's still a couple of years from now, so plans can change.


User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Quoting AJO (Reply 13):
It was stored for a few months at VCV.

Any birdwatchers around? What type of birds would nest in California in fall? Any idea on how would they would be finding their way inside an a/c??


User currently offlineSAS_A330-300 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

I hope OH-LGG will be my aircraft when I'll fly BKK-SIN on Feb 12th.  crossfingers 

User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 11):
AY is reconsidering getting an eighth MD11 and instead wants to bring forward the delivery of its first A340

This would most probably be a second-hand airframe on top of the order for 3 A343s, as no suitable MD-11s are available.

As said before, the best aircraft to replace an MD-11 is another MD-11. For Finnair it is a question of cargo capacity, of which MD-11 has plenty and Finnair makes good money out of this. According to an article in the Finnish aviation magazine Ilmailu the cargo capacity of an '11 is 20t, that of A359 is 17t and A343 can manage only 14t. So most probably the A343s will be employed on routes which suffer the least of the reduced tonnage available for cargo, namely HEL-JFK (as it is the shortest of AY's long-hauls) and HEL-Japan (I presume?). BKK-HEL sectors are weight-restricted during the hot summer months and China-HEL is also cargo-heavy.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 5):
Does Finnair plan on any service to the US west coast?

Nope. Finnair's current life-line is Far-East Asia, as geographically Helsinki is an ideal transfer-point between Europe and the Far-East. In the future maybe, if more traffic rights can be obtained from Russia, as there is a huge potential in Russia-USA traffic. Even currently Finnair's HEL-JFK is mostly full of Russians during the heavy summer months.


User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Quoting Eilennaei (Reply 17):
What type of birds would nest in California in fall?

Maybe it stood in storage in Brazil also? If it wasn't sealed properly anything can get in, and planes make a perfect nesting place for birds.


User currently offlineEilennaei From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting OHLBU (Reply 20):
Maybe it stood in storage in Brazil also? If it wasn't sealed properly anything can get in, and planes make a perfect nesting place for birds.

There's a photo of it at AMS on Aug 13, 2005 on this site. Adding those three months stored in VCV, we get mid-November. The picture of the arrival at HEL was dated Nov 12, 2005.
I have a strong feeling why the maintenance person could not confirm any birds' nests in OH-LGG, namely that there were none except in the rumours.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7108 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting Delta777Jet (Reply 8):
that they want to have more MD-11s if possible but they can simply not find any available aircrafts

Plenty of available aircraft - however none deemed to meet AY standards!

I have heard that AYs experience with OY-LGG is forcing them into taking the A340's earlier than planned - the cost overruns are significant. This will be the last MD11 coming their way.

I for one will miss the MD11 - my favourite Long Haul aircraft - quiet, smooth, proper winglets.... The MD11 was the only confortable long haul aircraft in th delta fleet when sitting in economy.



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