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User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 168 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

Hello all,

Is the flight SQ19 (Singapore Airlines) LAX - SIN definitely the longest regularly scheduled commercial flight? 18:20 of travel time. SQ operates this flight with the A340-500.

Am I missing anything?

The reverse flight SQ20, SIN - LAX is 'only' 15:25 long.

Cheers!


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User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 339 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Quoting Hagic (Thread starter):
Is the flight SQ19 (Singapore Airlines) LAX - SIN definitely the longest regularly scheduled commercial flight? 18:20 of travel time. SQ operates this flight with the A340-500.

Am I missing anything?

You are missing the EWR - SIN flight SQ21 which is scheduled for 18:35.

The reverse SQ22 is scheduled for 17:10


User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 905 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9242 times:

I think I would go spare for that duration. How many meals do they need and water for the loo's??

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Newark-Singapore and Singapore-Newark aren't nearly as bad as they seem. Economy passengers are treated to extra seat width and legroom, and all seats have the state of the art Kirsworld entertainment system. When I flew EWR-SIN and SIN-EWR, I actually found the flight to be relaxing. Rarely in my busy lifestyle do I get a chance to sleep as long as I can and then wake up and lounge around while watching movies and being fed. I really enjoyed it and ended up relaxed and feeling quite good (minus the jetlag and dehydration that comes with long flights). The worst part of the flight is that it completely reverses time zones which means that you leave at 11pm in EWR, but that is 11am in SIN.

Here are the reports detailing the service. You get 2.5 meals. On EWR-SIN (dep: 11pm, arr: 5am), there is a full dinner and full breakfast service along with a snack in the middle of the flight that can be eaten at a passengers discretion. On SIN-EWR (dep: 11am, arr: 5pm), there is a full lunch and then dinner service and a light breakfast.

The 18 hours aren't that much longer than other flights. They don't fly by, but it doesn't feel like it lasts forever either since you probably will get a decent amount of sleep. However I do feel sorry for the crew. On the other hand, if you fly the route in Raffles Class, it is quite pleasant.

Trip Reports:
United/Singapore ORD-EWR-SIN In Raffles Class (by RoseFlyer Oct 17 2005 in Trip Reports)
SQ/UA SIN-EWR-ORD Raffles Class (stranded In EWR) (by RoseFlyer Oct 24 2005 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

there's also AC YYZ-HKG nonstop. 16.25hrs west and 14.5hrs eastward. my sister was on that flight not too long ago. UA has ORD-HKG and CO EWR-HKG

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8988 times:

Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 1):
The reverse SQ22 is scheduled for 17:10

Actually it is scheduled for 18:10. Dep 12:05pm, arr: 5:15pm. This time of year, SIN is 13 hours ahead of EWR, so you have to add 13 hours to the arrival time to get a total time en route of 18hrs and 10min. The SIN-EWR flight benefits from strong tailwinds over the Pacific and North America while the EWR-SIN flight must go the long way over Asia, or take a polar route.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8952 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
Newark-Singapore and Singapore-Newark aren't nearly as bad as they seem.

Eighteen hour in an airplane is still eighteen hours. Doesn't matter how big your seat is, any flight that long is the pits.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8892 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
Eighteen hour in an airplane is still eighteen hours. Doesn't matter how big your seat is, any flight that long is the pits.

I don't completely agree. How often do you have no responsibilities to do anything and will have someone else give you anything that you need or want to the best of their abilities. Singapore Airlines has great service, and if you are in Raffles Class, you will be comfortable. It is rare among Americans that a person has time to sit and do nothing to relax. I actually enjoyed the flight. I personally enjoyed the EWR-SIN segment. It was great to sit down and have a long drawn out high quality meal and then lie down and enjoy sleeping for as long as you possibly can (at least this is enjoyable for those lucky people that can sleep on planes) and finally to be served a full breakfast when you wake up. Also you have 60 popular movies to choose from if you feel like lounging around and watching a movie. Or you could always bring a laptop and do some work. Travelling on such a long haul flight isn't that bad for the lucky few that can fly in First or Business class. Some can actually enjoy the level of removal that you get from normal everyday life.

Of course I would personally prefer to spend the time at a luxury 5 star hotel with a king sized bed and spa, but a Raffles Class Spacebed is decently comfortable and the food is good.



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8195 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8888 times:

Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 1):
You are missing the EWR - SIN flight SQ21 which is scheduled for 18:35.

I was in NY at the weekend on a staff ticket (thank you dude) and saw a Singapore Airlines crew getting off a bus and going into a posh hotel (may have been Crowne Plaza Times Square, can't remember but you get the idea) and I realise they might have only come from Frankfurt but just as likely to have done the nonstop service, and I'm telling you, they all looked absolutely fabulous. Even if they'd just done the Frankfurt flight, it was impressive. Underneath those Singapore Girl flowing dresses and subservient smiles beats the heart of a warrior. If I did what they did for a living, I'd die.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
However I do feel sorry for the crew.

I'm not so sure. They have superhuman powers I think.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
When I flew EWR-SIN and SIN-EWR, I actually found the flight to be relaxing. Rarely in my busy lifestyle do I get a chance to sleep as long as I can and then wake up and lounge around while watching movies and being fed. I really enjoyed it and ended up relaxed and feeling quite good (minus the jetlag and dehydration that comes with long flights).

This is so true. Man I love long flights, the longer the better. I remember getting on a China Air Lines MD11 (in Mandarin livery) at Amsterdam Schipol going to Taipei, and on the screens in the cabin during boarding it said 0 mph / 0 altitude / time to destination 14 hours 10 (or some equally high number) and I just knew it was going to be a beautiful experience. With two exceptions (JAL NRT-SYD and Virgin Heathrow to Bombay) the long flights I did in 2005 were all beautiful, especially JAL from Osaka to Heathrow (man the day just goes on and on and on), Lufthansa Frankfurt to JFK with an upgrade, and a few others, BA to Toronto on a 777 was good, and there was a nice JAL 747-300 ride as well. And I have to say, these are real highlights in my schedule cos my phone is off, people bring me food, I can read for hours instead of a few minutes, you name it, I wish I could recreate the experience without having to buy a plane ticket, it's so relaxing.

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 2):
think I would go spare for that duration.



Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 6):
Eighteen hour in an airplane is still eighteen hours. Doesn't matter how big your seat is, any flight that long is the pits.

You guys have got it all wrong. You can make a massive dent in pop culture by watching five or six movies, AND read half a book or even a whole book if you're a big reader, take some pictures out the window (I got some binoculars at a market stall for $10 and they have turned out to be an excellent purchase for long flights). Go spare? Oh man. I go spare when they pull the power off and I have to start putting on my shoes. Why would I want to land? Everything I need is right here.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8870 times:

Here are some of the 14h00m+ from/to the US and Canada (I only counted the longer segment; i.e. EWR-SIN is on the list, but not SIN-EWR):

Newark-Singapore, Singapore Airlines A340-500, 18h35m
Los Angeles-Singapore, Singapore Airlines A340-500, 18h20m

Los Angeles-Bangkok, Thai Airways A340-500, 17h10m
New York City-Bangkok, Thai Airways A340-500, 17h00m

New York City-Hong Kong, Cathay Pacific A340-600, 16h20m
Newark-Hong Kong, Continental Airlines, 777-200ER, 16h00m

Delhi-Chicago, American Airlines 777-200ER, 15h55m
Delhi-Newark, Continental Airlines 777-200ER, 15h50m
Toronto-Hong Kong, Air Canada A340-500, 15h45m
Chicago-Hong Kong, United Airlines 747-400, 15h45m
Los Angeles-Melbounre, Qantas 747-400, 15h15m

San Francisco-Hong Kong, Singapore Airlines 747-400, 14h50m
San Francisco-Hong Kong, United Airlines 747-400, 14h48m
San Francisco-Hong Kong, Cathay Pacific 747-400, 14h45m
San Francisco-Sydney, United 747-400, 14h43m
Atlanta-Seoul, Korean Air 777-200ER, 14h40m
Washington Dulles-Seoul, Korean Air 747-400, 14h40m
New York City-Seoul, Korean Air 747-400, 14h40m
San Francisco-Sydney, Qantas 747-400, 14h38m (starts 29Mar06)
Los Angeles-Sydney, United Airlines 747-400, 14h38m
Los Angeles-Sydney, Qantas 747-400, 14h35m
Tel Aviv-Miami, El Al 767-200ER, 14h20m (starts 28Mar06)
Chicago-Seoul, Korean Air 747-400, 14h10m
Chicago-Seoul, Asiana 747-400, 14h00m
Atlanta-Tokyo, Delta 777-200ER, 14h00m
Washington Dulles-Tokyo, ANA 777-200ER, 14h00m

In total, there are 26 "super long haul" (using the defintion as 14h+) flights to/from the US and Canada (There might be some missing, not sure).

They connect nine US/Canadaian airports with nine Asian/Australian airports. They are operated by three US/Canada and eight Asian airlines. The 747-400 is used on the majority of the routes - thirteen - are operated by 747-400ERs, but none of the nine longest are. There are six 777-200ER operated routes, five operated with A350-500s, one A340-600 operated route, and, believe it or not, one operated by a 767-200ER.

Most of the flights in that are between 14h00 and 15h15m in duration are less than 14h00m on the return segment.

[Edited 2006-01-11 00:56:52]


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User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8840 times:

TG also has the JFK-BKK flight which is going to be stopped soon; or has it already happened?

I did this segment back in May 2005 in Economy (not Premium Eco), and it was the best flight I've ever had. The flight duration was 17 hours.

The aircraft is configured with 37' seat pitch in Eco, AVOD, and the crew offered some great service (food was awful though). Every seat has a power outlet. On-board internet would have been an icing on the cake.

The aircraft is configured in three classes : Biz, Eco and Premium Eco. Eco and Pre-Eco were packed, while there were only 1 or 2 folks in Biz. I think it's pretty clear why Thai was bleeding money on this route.

I'll gladly take these long flights with increased pitch and a good entertainment system over some of the crappy shorter segments, most notably economy in LH.

BTW, I find it surprising that Singapore's A345s are not configured with Connexion by Boeing. They have it on their LHR and FRA-NYC flights. The problem is clearly not the aircraft, because SAS has it's A340s configured with Connexion.  confused 


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8824 times:

I don't know if anything over 6 hours overnight is not really tolorable to meI have done 3 times the non-stop flight between LAX and AUK. At around 12 hours in a conventional Coach seat with a rather full load (UA and Qantas), it was not particulary pleasant. As I don't sleep well on airflights so that probably is a factor in my experience.
By the way, on those ultra long-hauls, are there any live news reports available. I mean the world could be in chaos or a huge news story could be breaking for all that time you are in the air.

[Edited 2006-01-11 01:12:55]

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
Rarely in my busy lifestyle do I get a chance to sleep as long as I can and then wake up and lounge around while watching movies and being fed



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 7):
How often do you have no responsibilities to do anything and will have someone else give you anything that you need or want to the best of their abilities.

Wait until they allow cellphones on board and provide internet at an affordable price....you will be expected to work haaaaaard during the flight.. biggrin 


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8776 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 12):
Wait until they allow cellphones on board and provide internet at an affordable price....you will be expected to work haaaaaard during the flight..

NOOOOOOO! I desperately do not want that. I love sitting around and having to do nothing other than occasionally whip out my laptop. It will make flying far less enjoyable.



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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 11):
on those ultra long-hauls, are there any live news reports available. I mean the world could be in chaos or a huge news story could be breaking for all that time you are in the air.

SQ offer live text news updated ever hour by satellite through the KrisWorld system on certain aircraft. I would imagine the A340-500s would have this.

CX offer the BBC World Service Radio with updated news on all their flights.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
San Francisco-Hong Kong, Singapore Airlines 747-400, 14h50m

Doesn't SQ also fly SFO-SIN nonstop on A345s?


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8456 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
Doesn't SQ also fly SFO-SIN nonstop on A345s?

No.

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 10):
TG also has the JFK-BKK flight which is going to be stopped soon; or has it already happened?

That was included in MAH4546's list! And no it is not going to be stopped. It has reduced from 6x weekly to 4.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
No.

I was under the impression they did. Thanks for clearing it up.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
I was under the impression they did. Thanks for clearing it up.

No worries. It has been talked about I hear, so it may happen in the future.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

We are probably discussing the longest scheduled non-stop commercial flight, but I cannot see the wording non-stop anywhere.

Flight BA18 from MEL to LHR is 23 hours 15 minutes (BA17 in the opposite direction LHR-MEL is 21 hours 10 minutes) and this beats any of the flights listed above. True, the aircraft stops at SIN for an hour for refuelling and a change of crew, but the flight commences at LHR/MEL and finishes at MEL/LHR.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

I take it you mean no stop flights. Because NZ1/NZ2 are freety long. AKL-LAX-LHR. All under 1 flight number.

User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8267 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
That was included in MAH4546's list!

The two of us were writing our respective posts in parallel. The TG flight was not mentioned on this thread when I started writing my response.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 16):
And no it is not going to be stopped. It has reduced from 6x weekly to 4.

Appreciate the correction. Thanks.


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

I flew SIN-LAX last year, and it was one of the most pleasant economy long-haul flights I have ever taken. The extra legroom and the great entertainment made the flight extremely comfortable. The food was great, and they had snacks set up in the back at a common area where you could stretch your legs. I watched movies, sitcoms, snoozed a bit, and ate when I was hungry. I felt great when I landed in LAX.

User currently offlineGman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Chicago-Hong Kong, United Airlines 747-400, 15h45m

Not to nit pick  Big grin but I have worked that flight before and I remember it being scheduled at 15:50. So I just went in to our system to double check and it is 15:50. I also looked at a cross sample of future dates as well to be sure. So that moves it up one notch!


User currently offlineAislepathLight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

I have had one of my greatest experiences ever on a one week trip to Japan. I had one of the craziest trips ever, but I loved every minute. I flew CLE-IAH, IAH-NRT. It was in CO's 772 with the art on the side (2 years ago), and I loved it. When I got there it went all over, but that's not the point. The way back to IAH wasn't bad either, but then I went IAH-LAX, and I was dead tired.

That flight is really close, it being 13 hours 50 minutes.



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25 Hagic : Hey folks, Is there any reason why SQ operates the flight to SIN from EWR instead of JFK? Is there any sort of partnership/codesharing with CO?
26 KrisYYZ : Help please! How come there is only an 10min difference between flight departing from two different coasts. Is this because of the Polar routing? I gu
27 Geo772 : Yes it is. A good example of polar routing is going from anywhere in canada to europe. Vancouver - london is only marginally longer than Toronto - lo
28 RoseFlyer : These are the actual distances: LAX - SIN 8770 mi EWR - SIN 9535 mi LAX - BKK 8262 mi JFK - BKK 8660 mi Polar routings do have an effect, but also wi
29 Post contains images Jacobin777 : even though EK's JFK-DXB is listed at around 12-13 hours, when I flew on that flight, it took approximately 14 hours to DXB and about 15 hours back..
30 N1120A : SIN-EWR non-stop replaced SQ's existing SIN-AMS-EWR. SQ does brisk business on its JFK-FRA sector as well as the FRA-SIN sector, so they saw best to
31 KrisYYZ : Got it, Thanks!! Krisyyz
32 Malaysia : Wish we had the chance to see TWA STL-NRT, but AA bought them before it was gonna happen, they were going to use the 767-200ER as well. that would ma
33 COEWR787 : I was talking to a crew member on SQ21 the last time I flew by it and he said that it is only on rare occasions that SQ21 (EWR - SIN) actually flies
34 MAH4546 : AA had very little to do with the route not happening. TWA decided against it before the merger.
35 N1120A : Yeah, while the 762ER has more than enough range, the CASM on a route that long is not pretty.
36 Hmmmm... : Is it possible to fly from London to Australia non-stop?
37 Hagic : A 747-400 did that in 1989, setting a new distance record at the time. The flight was 9,200 nautical miles long (17,039 km), non-stop from London to
38 Pe@rson : I have actually found a one-way deal with SQ for EWR-SIN for about £450 all-in, which isn't too bad for such a long flight.
39 Aussieindc : it is empty!!!!! A 744 did it previously. That said, there was a lot of chat about QF taking the 772LR doing mostly 'J' class seats non-stop SYD-LHR
40 Post contains images Hagic : There are two direct flights MEL-LHR: QF9 and BA18. They both stop in SIN for 1:30 hours, with a total travel time of 23:15. What is interesting is t
41 AirCanada014 : Don't forget AC will have more nonstop from YVR to SYD and AKL plus YYZ to PVG along with PEK. Also they want to fly from YYZ to DXB and YYZ to Karach
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