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User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Hello,

What are the int'l plans of US Airways at Charlotte please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus

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User currently offlineQantas 747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Sorry, I can't be sure cos I'm Aussie, but my friend went there on Boeing 737, and he said the flight was hell!!!!!

best wishes
Qantas 747


User currently offlineUS521 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

They operate a 737 to Bermuda and a 767 to CDG or FRA. I keep getting those two flights messed up.  
US521


User currently offlineMD 11 From Germany, joined Sep 1999, 195 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

They started service to Frankfurt, Germany last may!
Defenitlely! (Saw the advertising of US Airways at Frankfurt).
Interessting flight, hope it will survive the US/UA merger.
Bye


User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

They serve Paris and Frankfurt,Germany.And I remember seeing on the news here in Charlotte about them starting service to London Gatwick on U.S. Airways and not British Airways. Out of Charlotte they also fly to carribean destinations like Jamaica,etc. And they also fly to Cancun,Mexico. As far as future plans, I don't know. United has said something about what they would like to do at Charlotte if the merger between U.S.Airways and United goes through, they would extend European service and offer service to South America as well. And one-stop flights to Asia and Australia. At least thats what they said on the news . But who knows?

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8045 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

The London flight has been going (except for a brief, BA-inspired hiccup) for fifteen years, having been opened by Piedmont. It will be A330s soon. Other than that I think US will keep expanding there, it's a great hub and a very important business destination (IBM, First National Bank are all headquartered at Charlotte, among others) and US have it all to themselves. Great airline.


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User currently offlineNewark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

The Charlotte hub will be replaced by Southwest, with United flying MD80's
on shuttle routes to Atlanta.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

The Charlotte Hub was picked up by USAir with the Piedmont merger and they have been developing it ever since.

In the UA/US merger news release they outline what they plan to do with CLT after the merger. It will become a major mainline hub with one-stop service to pretty much anywhere. I assume that the international routes would remain. CDG makes a lot of sense b/c United has been expanding service from US gateways to Paris. And I would imagine the Frankfurt service would remain... seeing as all East Coast United gateways have service to Frankfurt either on UA or a Lufthansa codeshare. United claims to want to make Charlotte a real competitor to Delta's Atlanta operation.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5153 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

I don't think that the acquired US hubs ould receive the one-stop Asian destinations literally. I believe they will jst carry the same flight numbers. It makes no sense to go CLT-ORD-NRT with a 744. I think that you will see the flight carry the same flight number all the way through with a scheduled change of aircraft.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11189 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

I think the one-stops to Asia and Oz would in fact be the same plane. UA has a lot of widebodies flying domestically, especially between hub airports. If the merger goes through (doubtful) expect to see these domestic widebody flight continue, especially to PHL and CLT. (IMO, PIT will be hurt a little if the merger occurs, however, it won't be closed. That would be really poor management.)


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User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

A 747-400 from CLT to anywhere? I don't see it happening. The one stop service will indeed be same flight number but with a change of plane. Airlines have really stretched the definition of one stop service to make it seem like you don't have to get off then plane, but that isn't the case here.

Brian



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11189 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

And your explanation for why that is so incredulous is...

CLT is a major US hub. (Actually, one of the busiest.) Its called connections. Yes, a 744 can be filled from CLT to the West coast, and on to Australia.



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User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

I remember seeing Lufthansa 747-400's in Charlotte several years ago to compete against US Air. It has been done before so it could happen again.

I cant see much more international service until they expand the terminal D. If the merger goes through, there will be a lot more flights internationaly, if it doesn't flights abroad will still grow but not at a drastic level.


User currently offlineSKYTEAM From France, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

I agree wit Brian, I dont see 747 service at CLT.

SKYTEAM


User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

I have no concrete facts to back me up, but I think I'm just being realistic. I asked a friend that works for UA about this, and when I mentioned 744s flying to CLT, PHL, or PIT he laughed. He said that PHL is likely to be the only hub to see new UA widebodies. But he's no high up at UA, so he can't be considered concrete info.

Well, whatever happens, my opinion is simply that the one stop service will be same flight number, change of plane, and that CLT won't be seeing any UA 777s or 744s any time soon.

Brian




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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11189 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Well, let's see. CLT currently has 330 service, has supported 747 service, and then 777 service before. (US, LH, BA) CLT is a large metropolitan area with a LOT of money. (Bank central.) Comparing CLT to other airports with 747/777/330/340 service:

CLT ~10,000,000 enplanements
IAD ~ 6,000,000 enplanements
IAH ~ 12,000,000 enplanements

As you can see, CLT is quite a viable city/airport for widebody ops. It has the facilities, the population, and the industry to support it. Most importantly, it is a LARGE hub city. UA flies widebodies between ALL of its hubs. 767s, 777s, and 747s are flown regularly between IAD,SFO,ORD,LAX,DEN, and even MIA. If CLT becomes the Latin focus that UA wants it for, you bet your butt you'll see a great widebody presense there, and onestop service to Asia and Australia is a given.



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User currently offlineRyeFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

I failed to mention that if United wants to compete againt Delta in ATL, with out a doubt CLT will be greatly expanded in the future and offer plenty of widebodies. I don't buy that CLT would be a bad market for very large planes and long international flights. As several people have said before Charlotte is a huge banking capital. But what people failed to mention is that Charlotte residents are not the only ones to originate in Charlotte. Winston Salem, Greensboro and even Raleigh residents not to mention smaller cites in both NC and SC currently drive to Chrarlotte to catch a flight. If international service is expanded, this traffic would also increase dramatically. if all this does happen and thats a big if, I am betting American will increase international service from RDU to get a piece of the pie. I am really surprised they already havn't. Their London flight has an increadable load figures. One of their most profitable international flights.

User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (14 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1864 times:

Yes, maybe in the long run we'll see UA widebodies at CLT. However in the immediate future- I'm thinking along the lines of the one stop routes UA touted in their press releases- those flights will be change of plane, same flight number. There's no way, merger or otherwise, that the CLT market can just explode exponentially overnight in that it would warrant 747s and 777s right off the bat. There will have to be a lot of route growth before that happens...keep in mind that between CLT and UA's five hubs, UA and US only have a combined 29 flights, 12 of which go to ORD. More frequencies will come before larger aircraft.

It all depends on what UA does with CLT. There's a lot of talk, but who's to say what will happen if things do go their way. Airlines are one group that I would trust as far as I could throw them....past experience shows that what they say is not necessarily what they will do. I personally hope they build CLT into one hell of a hub- I don't particularly like Atlanta.

Brian



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 2 weeks ago) and read 1865 times:

Just because United may make CLT a hub doesn't mean you'll be seeing 747-400s cruising off to Sydney in the near future. There probably will be an increase in wide body flights if the merger goes thru (I agree with DLX -- doubtful). However, an increase in international service? Look at poor Denver. It's a major United hub and I think the only international service Denver can boast is a couple of flights to Canada. And Denver is the home to several major corporations...

I'm not quite sure why UA would shift its Latin American operations from MIA (lots of O/D traffic) to CLT (very little Latin O/D traffic). But it's an interesting theory...


User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (14 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

I am pretty sure as well that the One-Stop flights to Asia and Australia they were talking about is a change of aircraft. Like that UA flight that goes from Chicago to Sydney with a stop in Los Angeles. From Chicago to Los Angeles it is on a 757, and from Los Angeles to Sydney it is on a 747-400. So of course it would be a change of aircraft. 

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11189 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (14 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

What people fail to see is that CLT is a hub. Just for a second, put away your bias that CLT is not a major city like NY and LA. Think about it as a major hub, in line with other hubs that have widebody/international service. CLT is big because it serves a HUGE market. Everyone from Miami to Birmingham to Washington, DC can find an easy connection at CLT, or its main competitor, ATL. Currently, all these people who want to go to Asia or Australia either have to catch one of the few nonstops to LA or SF in order to get a single connection to Asia/Australia. These people would instantly gain not only widebody service to the west coast (and you're nuts if you think people won't flock to that over 738 service on AA) but also the opportunity to sit on just two planes the whole trip. (These flights also show up sooner in the reservations list because of that fact.)

I'm not saying that this is a given, but it is more than just a possibility. The market absolutely can support it, and UA will do it. Why do you think UA wants to buy US? Just for kicks? It's because US has a lock on this underserved market.


UA has rather few flights to South America from MIA compared to AA there and CO at IAH. Putting the LatAm flights at a megahub would allow them to have feed from all over the country, not just one city.



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User currently offlineLFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Whats wrong wit Atlanta?

User currently offlineLear777 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (14 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Grin.

Just a little animousity (sp?) on my part. ATL tends to get the routes that I'd like to see CO fly out of Houston. I've flown about a dozen times through Atlanta over the past ten years, and it's been just fine, except for one flight to London where they kept moving the gate around, and boy, ATL is one hell of an aiport to have that happen in. Lots of walking, let me tell you...

Anyways, in regards to Charlotte. Somewhere down the road we might see widebodies flying domestic hub routes. I can't tell the future so I won't refute your statements as being wrong. However in the immedaite future I don't care how large CLT is....for widebodies to fly hub routes right off the bat traffic would have to increase by thousands of pax that simply don't exist. Once UA develops their route network and really integrates CLT into their system...who knows? But route growth with come first, more than likely in the form of additional frequencies to UA's five hub airports.

Brian



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User currently offlineVincent32 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (14 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

I flew from Charolette to CUN, (I guess their only INT'L flights are to mexico and the carribean. I was on a 737/300-400, and yes the flight was hell going into CUN.
 


User currently offlineVincent32 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (14 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

I flew from Charolette to CUN, (I guess their only INT'L flights are to mexico and the carribean. I was on a 737/300-400, and yes the flight was hell going into CUN.
 


25 Post contains links and images Vincent32 : Next Saturday I'm flying NWA from ALB to SEA. I'm going to be on DC-9's and DC-10's. I have never flewn NWA and I'm curious of what I'm in for. How ar
26 Reno_air : In a swiss spotter magazine it was reported that US Airways has a applied for CLT-ZRH. Very much swiss companies have their american headquarters in C
27 NWA Man : DLX-- Regarding your comment: Currently, all these people who want to go to Asia or Australia either have to catch one of the few nonstops to LA or SF
28 NWA Man : 1999 ACI Data for CHARLOTTE, NC (CLT) Rank City Passengers Percent Change 39 CHARLOTTE, NC (CLT) 21'449'392 -6.6 Hmmmm, the 39th busiest airport in th
29 D L X : First off, you note CLT as 39th in the world in terms of traffic. Why is that relevant? Why are we comparing CLT to KIX? A relevant comparison would b
30 Newark : DLX is very a rude dude.
31 LFO : Jealousy Huh. LOL. IAH is a good airport! Atlanta is the worst airport to connect through if you only have 20 minutes, or if they change your gate.
32 Imkeww : The west coast not a very populated area, eh? I beg to differ, buddy! The population in those 5 SE seaboard states is still less than that of Californ
33 NWA Man : D L X said-- You note CLT as 39th in the world in terms of traffic. Why is that relevant? That statement is relevant to prove your desires for 747-400
34 RyeFly : US Airways doesn't fly to LAX with A330 or 767's because they don't have enough of them yet and they serve mainly international markets. Its not that
35 D L X : You're not getting it. The issue is, if UA merges with US, then will there be 744s from CLT to the west coast? The answer is a clear yes. Besides the
36 NWA Man : DLX...Here is my point. You said these yourself: "Name a hub pair, and you will find that there are currently 744s running between them." "Hub to hub
37 Imkeww : Hey... I *LIVE* in California. And there is no need to patronize me, duuude. I've driven all over the state, and yes, it is not very *densley* populat
38 D L X : Well, I stand corrected on the flying of 744s between all the hubs. I've actually flown 744s and 777 domestically on UA between hubs across the countr
39 Lear777 : I don't think there's much point in stating anything more to prove DLX is wrong, because it's obviously not getting anywhere. As for me I think I'll j
40 Post contains images D L X : The point is not that UA will or will not use 744s. The point is that CLT can support that sort of jet flying in. It has in the past, it has 330s now,
41 NWA Man : DLX... Maybe ACI counts deplanements as well as enplanements for their statistics. That could explain why the two groups of statistics differ so vastl
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