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User currently offlineEastbay From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

My family is planning to visit Peru next week, with a side trip from Lima to Cuzco. Looks like Aerocondor is the cheapest but I know almost nothing about them..... Anyone here flown on them, or know how is their reputation? Should I spend the extra $50 r/t for my wife and I and fly LanPeru?

Thanks for any responses to come!

Ray

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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

If I were you, I would rather pay the extra USD 50 and fly Lan Peru's A320s. I don't have a clue about AeroCondor and I'm familiar with Latin American aviation, especially from Andean Countries like Peru.

Maybe someone else can actually give us some feedback regarding AeroCondor.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineLVTMB From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7343 times:

I once flew AeroCondor from Ica to Lima -- a Beechcraft Baron IIRC. For the Lima-Cuzco leg I would be extremely more comfortable on LanPeru.

Enjoy Peru!

MB (in the Peninsula)


User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Greetings from Peru.
Aerocondor recently took the Cuzco route, probably assuming service of the TANS that is in trouble these days.
Aerocondor is good, I flew with them a couple of times, the most recent flight was with a 737-200. They also have newer F50s. Aercondor is a private Peruvian airline, has a good reputation, pretty small as it focused on a few routes within Peru only.
Go ahead with Aerocondor, I wouldn't switch that for LAN or Taca.


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
If I were you, I would rather pay the extra USD 50 and fly Lan Peru's A320s. I don't have a clue about AeroCondor and I'm familiar with Latin American aviation, especially from Andean Countries like Peru.

In Peru, we use two popular expressions. The first one says "mas vale malo conocido que bueno por conocer" which translates to something like "better to go with the bad but known than the good but unknown," meaning that LAN is the recognized carrier in Peru (along with Taca, of course). The second one is "lo barato sale caro" which means "that which seems cheap can end up being very expensive in the end," meaning that I wouldn't risk a possible accident, delay, or any other complication to save 50 bucks.
So, I politely disagree with Capt. Tesfay, a fellow peruvian.
As far as peruvian culture goes, TANS also used to enjoy a "good reputation" until they got into serious trouble.
FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently onlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7218 times:

Quoting Eastbay (Thread starter):
Should I spend the extra $50 r/t for my wife and I and fly LanPeru?

Without a doubt...

I only venture to use "small" airlines in my own country when traveling alone (It is fun) but when traveling with family or in a foreign country I don't risk it.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 1):
I don't have a clue about AeroCondor and I'm familiar with Latin American aviation

My case exactly..they could be good or not, I just don't know them.
I guess is like a foreigner going to Colombia and asking for "Aires or Satena". I know Aires and Satena I know they are very good, but if I were a foreigner I will only take Avianca..



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3971 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 3):
They also have newer F50s

Are they the company that bought former F50 SE-LLN?


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7203 times:

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 6):
Are they the company that bought former F50 SE-LLN?

Yes, they are.
It's their second one
The first is OB-1770P, a former Air Nostrum F50

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User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3971 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 7):
Yes, they are.

Cool!!! Big grin  Big grin We (Denim Air) ferried that aircraft from AMS to LIM  Smile


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 8):
Cool!!! Big grin Big grin We (Denim Air) ferried that aircraft from AMS to LIM Smile

Sounds like a nice trip. What was the route? Was it in full c/s?
What will its new reg be?


User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3971 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7185 times:

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 9):
What will its new reg be?

Sorry, I don't know that

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 9):
Was it in full c/s?

Again, I don't know, sorry  Sad

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 9):
What was the route?

Now that I DO know, I helped prepare it  Wink

Routing: AMS-SVQ-RAI (overnight)-FOR-MAO (overnight)-LIM


User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

When did TANS begin to have their current problems? I know they were gradually expanding in Peru prior to that fatal accident that they had in August. I do have to admit too, that their safety record is not the greatist so I am not all surprised if they are having trouble right now.

User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7173 times:

I flew the LIM - CUZ route this past summer on TACA. Their fare was fairly reasonable (~$150.00 US. roundtrip), good service, and they seemed reliable. TACA does have a very good reputation too in terms of safety The only down thing about TACA on this route is that they operate this route on a very limited basis (one or two roundtrips a day). The sceanery of the Peruvian Andes was phenomonal from the air, while enroute on those flights. Enjoy Peru Eastbay. You will love it there  Smile

User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 11):
When did TANS begin to have their current problems? I know they were gradually expanding in Peru prior to that fatal accident that they had in August. I do have to admit too, that their safety record is not the greatist so I am not all surprised if they are having trouble right now.

TANS had another accident going into the jungle with a Fokker (F27???) about 3-5 years ago. They are an airline formed out of the old Peruvian Air Force and operated by its members, or retired members. So, I'd say that their current problems pretty much started the moment the began operations. My friends in Peru used to avoid it like the plague, but they flew certain routes that others wouldn't fly. Their record is actually pretty bad, compared to others.

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 12):
The only down thing about TACA on this route is that they operate this route on a very limited basis (one or two roundtrips a day)

Until recently, there was no air traffic into CUZ after the mid afternoon, so most airlines flew one or two flights a day in and out of that airport. I don't believe that there are any night flights there, especially since the sky clouds up every afternoon, typically.

FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 4):
As far as peruvian culture goes, TANS also used to enjoy a "good reputation" until they got into serious trouble.



Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 13):
So, I'd say that their current problems pretty much started the moment the began operations. My friends in Peru used to avoid it like the plague, but they flew certain routes that others wouldn't fly. Their record is actually pretty bad, compared to others.

Hmmmmm something I don't get here

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 13):
TANS had another accident going into the jungle with a Fokker (F27???)

It was a F-28 (OB-1396) in 2003.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7070 times:

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 4):
So, I politely disagree with Capt. Tesfay, a fellow peruvian.

So do I.

Quoting IADCRJ (Reply 12):
I flew the LIM - CUZ route this past summer on TACA. Their fare was fairly reasonable (~$150.00 US. roundtrip), good service, and they seemed reliable. TACA does have a very good reputation too in terms of safety The only down thing about TACA on this route is that they operate this route on a very limited basis (one or two roundtrips a day).

For a few more bucks you [or your family] will be flying a much modern and confortable aircarft.


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7025 times:

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 14):
Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 4):
As far as peruvian culture goes, TANS also used to enjoy a "good reputation" until they got into serious trouble.

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 13):
So, I'd say that their current problems pretty much started the moment the began operations. My friends in Peru used to avoid it like the plague, but they flew certain routes that others wouldn't fly. Their record is actually pretty bad, compared to others.

Hmmmmm something I don't get here

Not sure what the Captain doesn't get. People flew on TANS even though the planes were always delayed, flights were canceled, service was bad, aircraft was old, maintenance was questionable. As long as there wasn't a crash, they enjoyed a "good" reputation even though they were really not a very good airline, and this was from the beginning. The moment the Fokker went down, it became a "bad" airline and many people started flying LP or TA. Peruvians rely a lot on reputation, even if there is no basis for such a reputation. In the case of TANS, they had a "good" reputation until there was an accident.

FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

There is also another airline operating that route: Star Peru

http://www.starperu.com

How are they ?


User currently offlineLanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 645 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7018 times:

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 16):
People flew on TANS even though the planes were always delayed, flights were canceled, service was bad, aircraft was old, maintenance was questionable.

I was able to fly TANS from CUZ-LIM back in 2003. The trip was LIM-CUZ on LanPeru and the CUZ-LIM on TANS. At first I was like "huh?" when I found out that we had to return on TANS since I didnt know the airline too well. Well I can tell you being on the TANS plane was GREAT! The interior was SUPER clean and the flight attendants were really nice and attentive. The plane had no IFE like LAN or a real meal, but it was still a great ride to LIM.

LanPeru


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

In Aviation Daily, maybe two weeks ago, it ran an article about Aero Condor wanting to enter the international aviation arena, including Lima - Miami, amongst some regional routes, hence acquiring the 737-200. There is a photo of the 737 in a different Aero Condor scheme in this month's World Airline Fleets.

Anyone have recent news on LC Busre?
http://www.lcbusre.com.pe/pag01.htm

There was another airline called StarUp, are they still around?
http://www.starup.com.pe/


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

Quoting LanPeru (Reply 18):
The plane had no IFE like LAN or a real meal, but it was still a great ride to LIM.

How much time does it take from CUZ to LIM or viceversa?


User currently offlineJJJM From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Hi everyone...

I´m also planning a trip with my wife to Peru for Easter, and of course Cuzco is on my itinerary.

But I can tell you it´s a trip that I have dual feelings for. Yes I want to go to Peru and visit Lima and Cuzco, but I´m bit afraid of robbery, much hassle and disappointment.

My feeling for Peru is that it´s a place to go, just to say that you´ve been there, but that´s it.

Hope I´m totally wrong about that feeling, and If I decide to go there, I hope and would´t be disappointed on choosing Peru over Brazil, Chile or Argentina, even that I´ve been there already.

That´s why I´m really keeping my expectations very low.

Please don´t blame me for this, I´t's just the way I feel about this trip.

Can anyone tell me what should I expect?

Regards

JJJM


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 13):
I don't believe that there are any night flights there

AFAIK, night operations are prohibited at CUZ.

The aviation enthusiast side of me says to take AeroCondor just for the chance to ride an F-50 or 737-200, but the cautious side says to take LAN Perú or TACA Perú. I'm not sure if LAN's A320s have PTVs, but if they do, all the better.

Quoting JJJM (Reply 21):
Can anyone tell me what should I expect?

True, that Peru isn't exactly one of the safest countries around, but it's recommened that you go with someone you know (a friend who lives in the country - not a tour guide or anything similar) and stay out of certain areas. That way, you should be okay. When staying in Lima, I recommend the Hostal El Pukará.

Enjoy your trips to Peru!

[Edited 2006-01-28 00:13:45]

User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2004 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

Quoting LatinAviation (Reply 19):
There was another airline called StarUp, are they still around?
http://www.starup.com.pe/

Yes, they changed the name and are Star Peru now.

But it looks like nobody here knows them. Although they are about the same size of Aerocondor with 4x732 and some props. This is all I know. Website looks nice.


User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 20):
How much time does it take from CUZ to LIM or viceversa?

One hour max.

Quoting JJJM (Reply 21):
Hi everyone...

I´m also planning a trip with my wife to Peru for Easter, and of course Cuzco is on my itinerary.

But I can tell you it´s a trip that I have dual feelings for. Yes I want to go to Peru and visit Lima and Cuzco, but I´m bit afraid of robbery, much hassle and disappointment.

My feeling for Peru is that it´s a place to go, just to say that you´ve been there, but that´s it.

Hope I´m totally wrong about that feeling, and If I decide to go there, I hope and would´t be disappointed on choosing Peru over Brazil, Chile or Argentina, even that I´ve been there already.

That´s why I´m really keeping my expectations very low.

Please don´t blame me for this, I´t's just the way I feel about this trip.

Can anyone tell me what should I expect?

I am known as being particularly harsh on Peru's airlines and such, but I will tell you something that you need to know about Peru. Peru should be on your TOP TEN destinations in your lifetime, in my opinion. The other countries you have mentioned are great, everyone who has gone there has told me so. But Peru is the capital of the Inka Empire, and Machu Picchu is a BREATHTAKING sight, something no other country in South America has, or will ever have. Yes, Brazil has the beaches, el Corcovado, and Argentina has beautiful country and beautiful cities, and Chile has incredible geography, and all the countries have the FRIENDLIEST PEOPLE. However, none has the history that you find in Peru. We are lucky for that reason.
Going to Peru is like going anywhere. DON'T APPEAR LIKE A TOURIST. Don't wear "Dallas Cowboys" tees and wear a hat, with nikes and jeans. The saying goes "when in Rome, do as the Romans do" and this applies anywhere. Don't wear excess jewelry. WHY would you take your expensive jewelry on a trip??? I would suggest things like taking a couple of memory cards for your digital camera (assuming you have one) and switching them around, in case your camera gets stolen. Then you'll still have your pictures. Don't take a lot of money in your wallet. Put some in your socks, in your wife's bra, etc. but ALWAYS carry some amount that the robbers will be happy if they do steal from you.
People in Peru are not violent, they are HUNGRY. If you are an easy target, they'll rob you. If you blend into the woodwork, you'll be safe. I feel less safe in a small town in California than I do in Peru, and I visit Peru often. I will also be there the week before Easter. Be aware that places will close for the religious holidays.
Email me if you want more info. I will gladly help you. Oh, and RAISE your expectations because Peru will BLOW YOU AWAY because it's a wonderful place to visit.
FLY2LIM



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
25 Md95 : I couldn't agree more. I spent 20 days in Peru' during Christmas and I flew 5 times in different places, and I took busses, and trains. We are a fami
26 FLY2LIM : Thanks! FLY2LIM
27 A300 American : Hello All, To clear up some things 1) TANS accident in Chachapoyas was with an F28 Fokker, crashed into the side of a mountain in dense fog 2) TANS is
28 FLY2LIM : To clear up some things. Tans has the WORST accident rating in Peru, according to whom? When I was young, we had an airline called LANSA that flew Lo
29 Post contains images IADCRJ : Will Definately agree with you in terms of Peru being a destination country. Ceviche is a great cusine. How about those INKA KOLAS, and Cusquenas?
30 A300 American : IADCRJ, Ceviche rocks!!! Too bad you can´t REALLY get the same flavor back in the states!!.........Cusqueña?? Pilsen is also excellent!! Back to avi
31 Post contains images IADCRJ : In general I felt very safe in Cusco, but Lima is a totally different world. My girlfriend and I were almost robbed at resturant there. When in Lima
32 Post contains images IADCRJ : Yes I definately can. My girlfreind is Peruvian and her mother makes some excellent ceviche. There are a couple of decent Peruvian resturants in the
33 Post contains images A300 American : sorry, forgot to add that I get my information through: T News, internet daily tourism news "www.tnews.com.pe", Travel update "http://www.travelaldia.
34 Post contains images TACAA320 : Thanks for the answer!
35 IADCRJ : Has Wayra commenced service yet in Peru? If so what is there current destinations?.
36 FLY2LIM : Excellent advice! Miraflores is an excellent choice for safety, but also because of location. It's in the middle of everywhere and there are more ser
37 IADCRJ : Isn't Callao where the airport is located, is one of the worst parts of Lima? I remeber that the resturant that we were nearly robed at was in Downto
38 Post contains images Aero : Make your choice: LAN vs. AeroCóndor Perú is an incredible destination. Just pay attention to regular securities issues, same you would do while tra
39 FLY2LIM : Well, sort of, since Callao is a port but the airport is not near the port. Regardless, it's in the general area. As you depart the airport, you get
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