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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Anyone know how Continental's daily EWR-GVA route performs? Continental is the only US airline flying to Geneva, and the only US carrier to serve both Geneva and Zurich. The route was introduced in March of 2004 (or, 2003, but I think it was '04) and has consistently been flown with the 767-200ER.

I was just curious as to how it performs? It competes with the LX flight from JFK, which is operated with Airbus A330-200's.

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Thread starter):
The route was introduced in March of 2004 (or, 2003, but I think it was '04) and has consistently been flown with the 767-200ER.

March 5th, 2003.

CO does very well on the EWR-Geneva and EWR-Zurich flights because of the large pharmaceutical traffic between New Jersey and Switzerland. New Jersey is the center for the pharmaceutical industry, based in New Jersey are..

Merck (Rahway, Whitehouse Station) , phizer (Basking Ridge) , Roche (Nutley), Bristol Meyers Squibb (Princeton) , Johnson & Johnson (New Brunswick, Novartis (East Hanover) etc..

CO has served Zurich since 1999, and Geneva from 2003. Eventually either CO or another operator is going to launch EWR-Basel a route previously operated by Swiss Air with either an A310 or A330 nonstop. Basel and New Jersey have strong pharmaceutical Industry ties, with large Corporations such as Novartis demanding service between the two markets.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Maybe DL or PrivatAir will look into these markets


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
Eventually either CO or another operator is going to launch EWR-Basel

It has been noted here on a.net a few times that CO was seriously looking into starting EWR-BSL with a 752, but there was such high demand for J seats that they were even considering expanding to 24 BF seats instead of the typical 16 on a 752. They couldn't go to a 762 due to a lack of widebody aircraft, but I guess that they decided that it would be too much of a scheduling headache to have three types of 752 configurations floating around the CO system. As it currently stands, having a domestic type with 24 F and an int'l type with 16 BF already creates enough headaches with aircraft swaps and class downgrades.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 2):
Maybe DL or PrivatAir will look into these markets

The route would have to be from EWR since all the pharmaceuticals are in New Jersey, Privatair is possible.

DL, not a chance.



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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2613 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
based in New Jersey are..

Merck (Rahway, Whitehouse Station) , phizer (Basking Ridge) , Roche (Nutley), Bristol Meyers Squibb (Princeton) , Johnson & Johnson (New Brunswick, Novartis (East Hanover) etc..

Actually.... Pfizer and BMS are both based in Manhattan, and Roche and Novartis are both based in Basel, Switzerland. Out of those above, only JnJ and Merck actually have their headquarters in NJ.

That being said...it's pretty much a moot point since all the facilities above do exist, they're just not headquarters. And since Novartis and Roche have HQ in Switzerland and facilities in NJ -- that pretty much defends the route.

In fact, I've heard someone has done Basel-EWR before literally just for the pharma companies...maybe even an all J-class configuration. Anyone know anything about that?


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

I flew the GVA - EWR route in February of 2005 and I was very surprised to see that the flight was full in both directions.

The seats were more comfortable than on LX. The food however was unedible; at least on LX the bread, cheese and mini titsy witsy bitsy sized cakes are edible. On the return we fortunately bought our own sandwiches.

The LX crews are much friendlier, though CO were OK.

From GVA the flight leaves very early at 9.30 am compared to LX at Noon.

[Edited 2006-01-11 07:36:54]

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6694 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
phizer (Basking Ridge) ,

I live in Basking Ridge and Phizer is not based there. However, AT&T used to headquarter there. Verizon now has a somewhat large operation there. But you're absolutely right, NJ does have a large amount of pharmacutical business based all around the state.

Tommy in EWR/LAX



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

About the only thing I remember for the EWR-ZRH and GVA flights is the first ttrans-atlantic crossing CO did with the 762 was to ZRH in 2001, replacing a DC-10.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Thread starter):
Continental is the only US airline flying to Geneva, and the only US carrier to serve both Geneva and Zurich. The route was introduced in March of 2004 (or, 2003, but I think it was '04) and has consistently been flown with the 767-200ER.

EWR-GVA was flown at least once with a 752 as well.

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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
EWR-GVA was flown at least once with a 752 as well.

I don't think that the 752 was ever a scheduled aircraft on the route. I would almost guarantee that those pics were from an unscheduled aircraft swap.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2389 times:
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oh yes a MX problem on the 762 would have caused a swap to a 752


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User currently offlineSQ7345 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 78 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2378 times:

There are so many rumours about the route BSL-EWR v v. but nothing has happend so far. Does anyone know if it will ever come?

User currently offlineA333X From Switzerland, joined Dec 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 9):
EWR-GVA was flown at least once with a 752 as well.

A 764 was used a couple of times, as well.


Regarding the competition with the daily LX GVA-JFK, I heard that LX is more used for O&D traffic and CO for transit at EWR. Maybe somebody could confirm it.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting Dartland (Reply 5):
Actually.... Pfizer and BMS are both based in Manhattan, and Roche and Novartis are both based in Basel, Switzerland. Out of those above, only JnJ and Merck actually have their headquarters in NJ.

Novartis has their North American headquarters in New Jersey, as does Roche which is why they need flights to Basel from EWR. Pfizer's Corporate offices might be in Manhattan but the majority of their workforce is in New Jersey.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2287 times:
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well larry boy has stated that we would like to announce 1 more international city...............so we will have to wait and see..............


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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

A333X when I took CO to EWR the person sitting next to me was going on to Cancun and another person on to somewhere in the US. So yes it seems they benefit a lot from their connections.

On LX I think the majority is local point to point traffic. Very few head for the transit desk. However when I took LX a few were connecting to Tel Aviv on El Al which has a code share with LX, Marseille and the person next to me to Warsaw (LOT).


User currently offlineN864DA From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 259 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

I flew ZRH-EWR a few days ago (762). Judging from the luggage tags at baggage claim, I could see many were actually ending in NYC (maybe around 60%). Those who were connecting seemed to be connecting to the bigger cities such as ORD/MDW, BOS, and DCA as well as SFO/LAX. Myself, I was connecting to FLL. I suspect GVA is much the same thing. Although I doubt ZRH has ever been downgraded to a 752, several times it has been upgraded to a 764.

N864DA


User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Quoting Semsem (Reply 16):
when I took CO to EWR the person sitting next to me was going on to Cancun and another person on to somewhere in the US. So yes it seems they benefit a lot from their connections.

Yes. A colleague of mine used to take LX for the GVA-JFK and then US to CLT but switched for CO since they were cheaper.

Alphafloor



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4931 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2128 times:
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Quoting N864DA (Reply 17):
Although I doubt ZRH has ever been downgraded to a 752,

The 752 has been used on ZRH-EWR a few times, though mostly as an equipment sub.


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