Tu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 667 posts, RR: 6 Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3406 times:
Was wanting to know if anyone had firm info on the loads on Air New Zealand's LAX-PPT-RAR flight operated with the 767-300ER. Also, if flying standby from LAX-RAR is there a chance of getting bumped in PPT or are you confirmed to RAR? Thanks in advance. Oh yeah.......RAR is Raratonga, Cook Islands and PPT is Papeete, Tahiti.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3343 times:
Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 1): Quoting Tu154m (Thread starter):
Also, if flying standby from LAX-RAR is there a chance of getting bumped in PPT
Yes there is a chance - it would have to be oversold though.
my understanding is that loads are usually quite heavy LAX-PPT and the a/c generally empties out quite a bit there before continuing on to RAR , if you get on the LAX-PPT you would have to be pretty unlucky to get bumped at PPT , however , in the other direction ( I assume this is not o/w ) because the RAR-PPT is often very light and the PPT-LAX very full there would usually be a higher likelihood ( depending on dates/loadings ) of ending up stranded in PPT , which is of course a pretty damned expensive place to be stuck
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Tu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 667 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3163 times:
Aerorobnz................not sure on dates yet. We are thinking of an ID90 out of LAX. I thought I read somewhere that there were no local traffic rights between PPT-RAR, so basically if we got on in LAX we would be on until RAR. This is a tricky part of the world to fly in!!!!
Does anyone know the loads from say AKL to RAR????
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3161 times:
Quoting Tu154m (Reply 4): Aerorobnz................not sure on dates yet. We are thinking of an ID90 out of LAX. I thought I read somewhere that there were no local traffic rights between PPT-RAR, so basically if we got on in LAX we would be on until RAR. This is a tricky part of the world to fly in!!!!
Does anyone know the loads from say AKL to RAR????
If you are going as a non-rev, I believe you are exempt from traffic rights rules.
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3139 times:
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6): Does NZ own Cook Islands or something? Or do they fly this b/c these islands(ex. PPT) dont have a carrier?
The Cook Islands are not part of New Zealand. If they were, NZ would be able to sell the PPT-RAR sector. The NZ island hopping service dates back to the days when aircraft didn't have the range to make AKL-LAX non-stop and have continued because NZ has a strong place in the market and UA feeding it on the LAX end. Also, given that it is a 763ER, it is almost impossible not to fill those flights
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Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 3071 times:
Quoting Tu154m (Reply 4): I thought I read somewhere that there were no local traffic rights between PPT-RAR,
I am sure that NZ has traffic rights on this segment ( not sure whether they are capped or unlimited ) ... but there is not very much traffic to carry between RAR and PPT
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Nz777 From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 28 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 6 days ago) and read 3055 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 7): The Cook Islands are not part of New Zealand. If they were, NZ would be able to sell the PPT-RAR sector. The NZ island hopping service dates back to the days when aircraft didn't have the range to make AKL-LAX non-stop and have continued because NZ has a strong place in the market and UA feeding it on the LAX end. Also, given that it is a 763ER, it is almost impossible not to fill those flights
I thought at one stage (many moons ago) the Cook Islands was a NZ dependency?
Either way, they are beautiful, and well worth a stop over...
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SpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 440 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3004 times:
Quoting Nz777 (Reply 10): Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
The Cook Islands are not part of New Zealand. If they were, NZ would be able to sell the PPT-RAR sector. The NZ island hopping service dates back to the days when aircraft didn't have the range to make AKL-LAX non-stop and have continued because NZ has a strong place in the market and UA feeding it on the LAX end. Also, given that it is a 763ER, it is almost impossible not to fill those flights
I thought at one stage (many moons ago) the Cook Islands was a NZ dependency?
Either way, they are beautiful, and well worth a stop over...
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JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2958 times:
There is an agreement between the Cooks and NZ. People from the Cooks are free to move and live in NZ. That generates a lot of VRF traffic between NZ and the Cooks.
If I remember correctly, the agreement is in place due to strong mythological/historical ties between the Maori people in NZ and the people from the Cooks.
Tundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 429 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2746 times:
As nonrev. If the flights between PPT-RAR are full you will not be cleared so no need to worry about getting stuck. Flights have been going out hit or miss. Fridays wasnt oversold. Just be aware the flight does get weight restricted for time to time so.. I can tell you tonight we had several nonrevs left off as LAX-AKL flights 1 & 5 were packed.
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) because the RAR-PPT is often very light and the PPT-LAX very full there would usually be a higher likelihood ( depending on dates/loadings ) of ending up stranded in PPT , which is of course a pretty damned expensive place to be stuck
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