Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21312 posts, RR: 60 Posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2410 times:
Watching this dumb movie "Sunday in New York" from 1963, and one of the main characters is a TWA pilot.
Lots of shots at Idlewild, in and around TWA. Anyway, he just accidentally switched assignments with a friend to let him take the flight to PIT so he could screw his girlfriend all day only to find she was surprising him by taking the flight.
It was a 707. I assume this is movie stupidity and TWA didn't fly the 707 to PIT, as an international carrier and all.
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Knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 30 Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2375 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter): It was a 707. I assume this is movie stupidity and TWA didn't fly the 707 to PIT, as an international carrier and all.
Sure they did probably did. Unlike Pan Am which was all international until after deregulation and the purchase of National, TWA had a large domestic system spanning the middle of the country from (roughly) New York to St Louis to Albuquerque to Los Angeles. PIT was a significant station for TWA, at that point perhaps 20 or so flights per day (I don't have any reference materials here). By 1963 there's a good chance of 707's on PIT-IDL.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4762 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2327 times:
PIT was a major TWA station until deregulation and the advent of the Allegheny/USAir hub. As the 707 was TWA's first pure jet, and 727's arrived later it would surprise me if TWA DIDN'T fly JFK-PIT with 707's in 1963.
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21312 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2315 times:
So they also have a STL-CMH-IDL flight on this one, and an IDL-DTW-ORD-DEN flight (flight 4 ambassador service). He just accidentally put his GF on flight 4 and got hit on the head and couldn't fly it, so she's off, alone, again. Pretty dumb, but most comedy movies based on 60s plays are dumb.
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Tan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1878 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2230 times:
Most assuredly they could have been 707's. Growing up in Ohio in the 60's I remember seeing TWA 707's at DAY bound for even short hops such as IND/ CMH and such. Yes PIT was a major station. As late as 1981 I took a TW 707 from STL to CMH. I also seem to recall seeing Convairs (880's? or 990?)at DAY as a youth. Maybe DAYflyer would know.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Take it from a dinosaur..TWA send 707's to PIT and a lot of places in the USA back in the 60's. You have to remember the TWA route structure was more point-to-point at that time. Stations that resembled but were not hubs, were ILD/JFK, ORD, DAY, STL, and MKC(kansas city municipal). These were high traffic stations where people could change planes.
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Knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2644 posts, RR: 30 Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 1): Could you name one movie where everything involving aviation (airports, aircrafts ...etc...) was accurate ?
Many years back when my group of friends saw tons of movies (we were old enough to go out but not old enough to easily get into bars) I recall seeing Outrageous Fortune with Shelly Long and Bette Midler. (Umm...not exactly my first choice.)
However the the movie will forever be dear to me because of an accurate airline detail that blew me away. The women were chasing their two-timing man and they convince a ticket agent to tell them he's on his way to Alququerque on TWA. (That would have been via STL in those days.) She likes their moxie, and so she helps them by saying there's a connecting flight on Eastern via Kansas City which they can still catch that will get them to ABQ ahead of the guy. THAT WAS EXACTLY TRUE! TWA's connecting flight via STL (I think they were leaving PHL or something like that) actually DID have a longer layover, and the EA flight via MCI would indeed still get them to ABQ first.
I've never forgotten that dopey movie and have brought it up many times over the years for an amazing accurate use of a trivial airline fact.
Jsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1941 posts, RR: 16 Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2031 times:
Prior to Deregulation, as OzarkD9S said, Pittsburgh was one of the larger stations in the TWA network. Certainly not the size of any of today's megahubs, but something more akin to a focus city. In 1971 TWA actually built an entire concourse at Pittsburgh (the West Dock) for its PIT operation.
Allegheny was obviously the biggest player at PIT, but United also had quite a respectable operation there prior to Deregulation. American, Eastern and Northwest were the smaller carriers. Mohawk and Lake Central also served PIT but were absorbed into Allegheny in 1967 and 1971.
Jumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1941 times:
We used to fly Boeing 707's everywhere domestically. I had a JFK, CVG, STL, MCI, LAS run every week.
I recall it vividly because some passengers actually flew it from JFK to get to LAS. It was during the 2 drink maximum period per segment and we had to keep a count of how many drinks a pax had by the time they got to LAS, sorta of game, I'd say.
But in the 70's we flew our Boeings all over the place. The 747's were quickly replacing them on the transatlantic runs.
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1902 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
I have always like the movie, and its theme song. In 1963, AL was a regional airline flying M-202A's and DC-3's with a few CV-440's. TWA was the largest carrier out of Pittsburgh with UA a close second. TWA flew many 707's both the fan and non fan in and out of PIT. There was never any 707 service to LGA, they only operated out of IDL and EWR. As far as a connection through Kansas City, EA, in 1963 flew to STL but not to Kansas City, and the commerical airport was MKC, not MCI. Mid Continent Airport in those days was home to the TWA maintenance base, but there were no scheduled flights into there. My first trip to PIT was in 1964 when I went to IPT to Little League Camp. MLI-ORD on a UA DC-6B. ORD-PIT on a UA 720 then on to IPT on an AL CV-440. The return was IPT-PIT on a TW L-749 all first class in the old livery, and then a TW 707 to ORD. And back to MLI on another UA DC-6B. For baseball fans, I spent Father's Day at camp and watched Hall of Famer, Jim Bunning pitch a perfect game against the Mets. The local station carried the Mets games as that Williamsport was a Mets farm team home then.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8291 posts, RR: 26 Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
Quoting ATCT (Reply 21): Yea after asking my dad (Controller at PIT since the old days). He says they used to get TWA 707's and other large guys. (Pan 74's, Delta L1011's n such).
I'd challenge the Delta 1011, that was Eastern and the routing was ATL-PIT-BUF-YYZ. I did BUF-YYZ and vv on the 1011 a couple of times. PanAm 747 doubtful as well, but concerning TWA it is confirmed that the 707 in various versions was a daily visitor at PIT with many interesting routings.