The scrapping of relatively young aircraft speeds up. This 767 was taken apart just 17 years old, and after seeing only 14 years of service! Delivered in August 1987, no one wanted to fly this jet after the second operator Ansett closed down in 2001. After 3 years rotting away it looked like this. The photo is from late 2004.
The first two or three AA 767s have also been scrapped in recent months, and many more 767s are reportedly condemned to meet the axeman soon. 4 or 5 more AA-birds, and several other ex-Ansett 767s are in different stages of breaking up, 2 ex-TWA are gone and the 3 ex-Transbrasil 767s are in such a bad condition that they are likely to never fly again after only 17-18 years service. And that are not all counted which seem to be awaiting the scrapman this year.
For comparison: I remember the very first 747 that was scrapped in 1991 was 22 years old by then (a single 747SR excluded which was bought and then cut up by Boeing for testing and examing purposes in the late 80s).
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4573 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20209 times:
the older non-ER versions of the 767-200 aren't very popular on the 2nd hand market. They have relatively many total cycles (compared to the 747), so are less attractive for cargo conversion, and also lacking range, so not suitable for a small airline starting up long haul ops. The 767 is carrying around 2 aisles while only with a capacity for 200-200 passengers, the A-321 or 737-800 or a 2nd hand 757 can almost fulfill the same role and are lighter and much more economical.
I don't think it's a true trend. Some 10 year old A-310s have been scrapped as well, I believe even a 1993 fairly new ex SQ model. In the early 70s, the first 707s, DC-8s, Tridents and Caravelles were already scrapped, being only 10 years old. In the early 1960s, many DC-7s and Super Constellations which were broken up only had 6 years of service beyond them.
In the 1980s, the first 727s and even Tristars went to the cutters.
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FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2277 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20195 times:
NA, the avition market is still quite depressed despite the bumper orders for 2005. Many types of aircraft from the 1980s are not economical to fly today, the 767 and A300/A310 being among them. Not saying they are bad aircraft, but they are small twin aisle aircraft and airlines are increasingly favouring single aisle aircraft for short sectors. Unfortunately there is not enough demand for freighters to use up all these 767s. DL and AN both managed to offload their 767-200s for freighter conversion. Some airlines, such as AC and AA, can still fill the 767-200, but on longhaul or trans-con (three-class) routes, or BY on charter flights (Only 4). Sad to see these aircraft go, but ultimately they are worth more for parts rather than flying again.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11557 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20093 times:
I wonder what will happen with ACs 762s. Some are parked for 4 years now. Hardly thinkable they´ll fly again. I wonder why some aircraft are stored for a very long time without using them for spares. AC has 3 747-200 Combis parked since early 1999, 7 years by now. The oldest one apparently went to Kalitta recently, though it seems for parting out.
GARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19786 times:
IIRC Ansett got their 767s with a 3 man cockpit. This was later refitted with a 2 man cockpit.
But I think the real problem with these aircraft is that they are high cycle aicraft and of the non ER variant.
FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16281 times:
Jam747, American replaced their 762s with existing 763s. They had 9 deliveries roughly 2 yrs ago, but the new 763s were to replace the ex-TWA's 763s, which were returned to the lessors. Given the massive downturn in the industry, American simply retired their oldest 767s. Regards.
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Devil505x From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15820 times:
Somewhat off topic but...Why is there a car parked by the wing of the plane in the picture? Scrapman's? Airport Offical? It would be cool to drive through a storage facility like that on a daily basis.
RamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15567 times:
If the market find no new home for them, they will be scrapped for parts. The leasing companies will try REALLY hard to find them a new home. At this stage in the game, the A/C should be completely paid off thus, any monies collected would be pure profit. Leasing companies have also offered to convert and bring the A/C up to snuff if the airline signs a long contract. People just don't want those A/C and it costs some money to keep it parked and not rotting.
If those were 737s that were twice the age, I am sure they would have been eaten up REALLY quick!!!
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 974 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 11225 times:
You must remember the 767 was designed as a medium range aircraft, desgined to do lots of hours, not so many cycles. Ansett used their aircraft on short Australian routes. These aircraft have very high cycles compared to most 767's of this age.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13841 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10733 times:
Don't forget too that if the age/cycles/hours were at certain numbers, then perhaps these a/c were due for major check(s) who's costs were not worth the investment and their poor resale value (for the variety of factors cited above). Add to that long storage times, undesirable configerations that both may have required a large investment and you may end up with an a/c worth more in parts then being sold whole.
Look, almost all aircraft have to die sometime and become scrap. We just can't keep all of them just to hang around for us to see.
Skydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1177 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9949 times:
Quoting NA (Reply 3): I wonder what will happen with ACs 762s. Some are parked for 4 years now. Hardly thinkable they´ll fly again.
Five 767-200 non-ERs are still listed as in service with AC now on the AC web site fleet list... Fin # 604, 611, 621, 622, 672
Maybe they are ready to be added to the fleet as seasonal or specific route demand requires more capacity than A320/A321. Also consider significant additional cargo capacity using 767 for some routes over narrow plane./