Seamefly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4021 times:
Jan 16 is when the Judge will decide whether or not he will throw the employees' current contracts. After that they will have 30 days cooling off period. So if strike is going to happen it will be Feb 16.
Qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2332 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3908 times:
I am no expert, but I don't think a 30-day cooling off period would apply here. If the company has the contract terminated, they have in effect exercised self help and therefore the employees can engage in self help immediately. The 30-day cooling off period occurs when national mediators declare an impasse in negotiations. There are no mediators here.
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TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3704 times:
Theres a lot of speculation as to whether the unions can actually strike at all if a new contract is imposed, 30 day cooling of period or not. If a new contract is imposed, and the union chooses to strike, I think you'll see a quick injunction forcing everyone back to work until the courts settle the legality issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go all the way to the Supremes.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3680 times:
Someone told me just today, he did NOT think the judge would let NW toss the contracts yet, but give them a little more time to work something out before doing his(the judge) thing.
We shall see....my guess on this is IF the pilots strike, they cannot get organized quick enough to strike in mid January. IF they get the contracts tossed, look for a strike in March during spring break time, a period that will hurt the company.
My guess and ONLY A GUESS...........March 3 12 01 am
[Edited 2006-01-13 02:51:04]
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Wobbles From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 3560 times:
If any of these groups agree to the new groundco or newco, just so their unions, like IAM, can keep dues money flowing, I won't see how any of these negotiators will be able to sleep at night.
However, maybe the company won't agree to that, since I think they basically want to chase the unions off the property, except the pilots.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4618 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3511 times:
Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 6): Theres a lot of speculation as to whether the unions can actually strike at all if a new contract is imposed, 30 day cooling of period or not. If a new contract is imposed, and the union chooses to strike, I think you'll see a quick injunction forcing everyone back to work until the courts settle the legality issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go all the way to the Supremes.
In America you cannot be forced to work. There is that old issue with slavery. However if they strike they could be terminated. Those involved should realize that if the judge voids your contract and you strike you should consider yourself unemployed.
M404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2249 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3505 times:
No 30 day cooling off period here. However it's been said the judge may take longer than an instant on these decisions. All three major union are involved. ALPA, IAM and the F/As. It will probably be a race to see who blinks first. If pilots walk the others can say it's shut down anyway and then most likely be locked out therefore keeping a lot of aid alive. As for the timing that was in NWs court from the get go. Once they got the court (no fight at all) to agree or force in IAMs case, the two month extension and plus the 60% concessions it then made a strike in the slowest season - now.
As for the oft asserted slap against the unions just wanting the money flow coming you had better read the proposals for Groundco. "Article 30 Union shops and dues check-off agreement. Amend to open Article in it's entirety.
Article 2 Scope. Amend to expressly recognize the Company's right to subcontract work for economic reasons." These and other "Company Openers" may indicate the demise of the Union within the contracts Duration anyway.
It is the belief of many that the negotiators are trying the very best possible under the circumstances but so far nothing has come out from the Company side. Does the company have the full intention of letting the Judge let them dissolve the contract thru BK abrogation and let them do whatever they want? What powers does that give a negotiator?
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