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Possible Strike At NW As From 17 Jan.?  
User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Last week I read something about a possible strike at NW as from 17 January. Does anybody here know more about this?

I am flying with NW next week. Do I need to think about alternative routes??

My flight schedule is as follows:

NW39 AMS - DTW 14 January
NW747 DTW - MSP 17 January
NW56 MSP - AMS 18 January

  

p.s. I know the mechanics are on strike, I am refering to a possible strike from cockpit and/or cabin crew.

[Edited 2006-01-12 19:55:40]

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User currently offlineSeamefly From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 317 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Jan 16 is when the Judge will decide whether or not he will throw the employees' current contracts. After that they will have 30 days cooling off period. So if strike is going to happen it will be Feb 16.

User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2283 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3130 times:

I am no expert, but I don't think a 30-day cooling off period would apply here. If the company has the contract terminated, they have in effect exercised self help and therefore the employees can engage in self help immediately. The 30-day cooling off period occurs when national mediators declare an impasse in negotiations. There are no mediators here.


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User currently offlineGRRTVC From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 275 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

CRAP!!! I bought a ticket from ANC to MCO leaving on the 17th.

User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

A strike is possible but it will not be that soon.And there is no cooling off period.

User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

I'm sure if there is a strike, other airlines will honor your tickets. I would look at alternate routes on other carriers as a backup plan. Hell, WN may even let you fly free!

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Theres a lot of speculation as to whether the unions can actually strike at all if a new contract is imposed, 30 day cooling of period or not. If a new contract is imposed, and the union chooses to strike, I think you'll see a quick injunction forcing everyone back to work until the courts settle the legality issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go all the way to the Supremes.

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Someone told me just today, he did NOT think the judge would let NW toss the contracts yet, but give them a little more time to work something out before doing his(the judge) thing.
We shall see....my guess on this is IF the pilots strike, they cannot get organized quick enough to strike in mid January. IF they get the contracts tossed, look for a strike in March during spring break time, a period that will hurt the company.
My guess and ONLY A GUESS...........March 3 12 01 am

safe  brokenheart 

[Edited 2006-01-13 02:51:04]


If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineWobbles From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

If any of these groups agree to the new groundco or newco, just so their unions, like IAM, can keep dues money flowing, I won't see how any of these negotiators will be able to sleep at night.
However, maybe the company won't agree to that, since I think they basically want to chase the unions off the property, except the pilots.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 6):
Theres a lot of speculation as to whether the unions can actually strike at all if a new contract is imposed, 30 day cooling of period or not. If a new contract is imposed, and the union chooses to strike, I think you'll see a quick injunction forcing everyone back to work until the courts settle the legality issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see it go all the way to the Supremes.

In America you cannot be forced to work. There is that old issue with slavery. However if they strike they could be terminated. Those involved should realize that if the judge voids your contract and you strike you should consider yourself unemployed.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2727 times:
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No 30 day cooling off period here. However it's been said the judge may take longer than an instant on these decisions. All three major union are involved. ALPA, IAM and the F/As. It will probably be a race to see who blinks first. If pilots walk the others can say it's shut down anyway and then most likely be locked out therefore keeping a lot of aid alive. As for the timing that was in NWs court from the get go. Once they got the court (no fight at all) to agree or force in IAMs case, the two month extension and plus the 60% concessions it then made a strike in the slowest season - now.

As for the oft asserted slap against the unions just wanting the money flow coming you had better read the proposals for Groundco. "Article 30 Union shops and dues check-off agreement. Amend to open Article in it's entirety.
Article 2 Scope. Amend to expressly recognize the Company's right to subcontract work for economic reasons." These and other "Company Openers" may indicate the demise of the Union within the contracts Duration anyway.

It is the belief of many that the negotiators are trying the very best possible under the circumstances but so far nothing has come out from the Company side. Does the company have the full intention of letting the Judge let them dissolve the contract thru BK abrogation and let them do whatever they want? What powers does that give a negotiator?



Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

The offer is basically the same for all the unions.NWA just wants to run a corporate office with no employees.

User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2584 times:

Thanks for your replies!  Cool

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 9):
In America you cannot be forced to work. There is that old issue with slavery.

Wow, who ordered the hyperbole?

Its not about being forced to work without pay. Its about being told that the law isn't on their side, and either return to work or surrender employment.

Besides that, ask an AA pilot about being compelled to return to work via presidential order. Your comment is incorrect on many levels.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 13):
either return to work or surrender employment

That was my point. You don't have to work. Same goes for an AA pilot. You don't have to fly. You may not have a job the next day but nobody can make you work.

The NW FA's may decide the pay isn't worth all the BS and decide to walk off the job for good.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Hello SK601  wave 
Hopefully you get out okay. Enjoy the carshow!



I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
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