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Potential 787 And A350 Customers On Wikipedia  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9043 times:

This thread is to view opinions on wheter the 787 and A350 articles contain an appropriate listing for potential 787 and A350 customers.

On Wikipedia, here are the potential 787 customers listed:


  • Aeroflot
  • Aerolineas Argentinas
  • Aeromexico
  • American Airlines
  • Avianca
  • Britannia Airways
  • British Airways
  • Delta Air Lines
  • EL AL
  • Etihad Airways
  • GECAS
  • Gulf Air
  • Jet Airways
  • LAN
  • Lufthansa
  • Oman Air
  • RBS Aviation
  • Saudi Arabian Airlines
  • Thai Airways
  • Turkish Airlines
  • United Airlines
  • Yemenia Airlines


And for the A350:

  • Aeroflot
  • Air France
  • British Airways
  • Cathay Pacific
  • Etihad Airways
  • Gulf Air
  • Lufthansa
  • Philippine Airlines
  • United Airlines


Any thoughts on these lists? Any additions or removals reccomended?


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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

Put up SAS for one of each.  Wink

User currently offlinePlaneDane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8957 times:

I don't really expect Lufthansa to seriously consider the B787 over the A350. To me, it seems that this is clearly an airline that will look to Airbus for its future aircraft fleet replacement needs.

User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8901 times:

Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 2):
I don't really expect Lufthansa to seriously consider the B787 over the A350. To me, it seems that this is clearly an airline that will look to Airbus for its future aircraft fleet replacement needs.

Even if you are correct I think Lufthansa still is a potential customer for the 787 as well. In fact I think if the 2 lists are stating potential customers as opposed to probable customers they should be almost identical.

My understanding of English might be wrong, though.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5733 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8887 times:

I think Aeroflot is firmly in the 787 camp given recent new reports.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8857 times:

United isn't going to order A350s. The sooner people accept that, the easier it will be for them to deal with it.  Wink

User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

Quoting GBan (Reply 3):
Even if you are correct I think Lufthansa still is a potential customer for the 787 as well. In fact I think if the 2 lists are stating potential customers as opposed to probable customers they should be almost identical.

I would generally agree with that except for airlines that are looking for a one-for-one B767 or A300 replacement. The A350 is much larger than those aircraft.



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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

Where is Emirates on these lists??? Don't know how accurate wikipedia is in general, but this indicates only 3 airlines are looking ONLY at the A350(AF,CX,PR); SU, EY, GF, UA, BA looking at both and the rest are looking at 787 only. Personally, I would have thought AF and CX would also look at the 787 and many of the 787 only listed airlines( Jet, LAN, Thai, Turkish etc) would also be potential A350 customers.

User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

I don't think it's appropriate for an encyclopedia, even a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, to be speculating about a subject.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5733 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8683 times:

SQ is missing. That's probably the next biggest order.


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8681 times:

no EK, no KL, so dont know how they ever could get this list together...


Aerolinas also on the list.. i never heard them talking about the 787... beside i see it more as a potential A350 customer.

KL not on the list, well they said earlier that the MD-11 desision won't be made before 2008, but last year they stated that slots for both 787 and A350 were selling like hot cakes, and since they think the A330 will be to small, i see them ordering the 787/A350 sooner than origially planned


User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8664 times:

I would think that OS is a potential 787 operator as well.


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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

I looked it up on Wikipedia.com and searched for 787 and found the list. The information looked quite valid to me and a prelude to the list stated that SQ and EK have shown interest, so you can add them as well. Also mentioned follow-on orders are likely from NZ, CO and NW. NZ has already ordered 2 more, CO is scratching around to get announced 10 firmly ordered(now stands at 7) and I don't know the likelihood of NW ordering more while in C11(although they do have 50 787 options).

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

wikipedia is edited by whoever wants to submit info. for new topics like this, it is not a trusted source.

the lists should be identical. any airline considering one should also be considering the other. only AA may be taken off the 350 list. that's about it.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
the lists should be identical. any airline considering one should also be considering the other. only AA may be taken off the 350 list. that's about it.

On that 787 list, there are some airlines who are not likely to order the A350. Those I would say who are NOT likely to order the A350 are Aeromexico, American, Avianca, Britannia, Delta, EL AL, and Saudi Arabian.



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5217 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Aerolineas Argentinas

I don't see them having the cash to afford new aircraft or high leases at this moment. Discard it.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Aeromexico

Boeing started to offer last November the B787 to AM to get along with it's B777 fleet. AM might surprise us this year with 5 B787-8/9s.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Avianca

Sure!! I see them going for 40 B737s and 5-10 B787s sometime soon!!!

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
LAN

Sure, why not!!! B787/777/777Fs for them, perfect B767ER/B767ERF/A343 replacement!!!

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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3500 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8418 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Any thoughts on these lists? Any additions or removals reccomended?

No, but I'm sure that amendments will be made now that this list has come to the attention of a.netters... Smile



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 15):
I don't see them having the cash to afford new aircraft or high leases at this moment. Discard it

If conditions change, then they could order the 787. This list is for the long term, not short term.

[Edited 2006-01-13 00:39:11]


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User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1330 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

I would believe that - even if they begin to show some interest in 2006 and perhaps ask for offers from the manufacturers - BA will not buy anything just yet. 2007/8 would be more likely.

CX has publicly stated that they are looking on both the 787 and the 350 as the next battle for their business. I would also not be surprised to see TG buying the 350 - in fact I wouldn't even be surprised if the got the 787 and the 350! TG must be a strong competitor for the title of the airline with the most different aircrafts in their fleet!

Save for El Al for obvious reasons, most of the airlines mentioned could be on both lists. Any airline would be rather stupid not to play the two manufacturers up against each other in order to get the best deal possible! For that reasons one should not put too much emphasis on "leaks" in the press that this or that product is preferred. It could well be part of a negotiation technique if it is not only some employee or "insider" (the CEO's housemaide or driver?) who - after a few drinks - are feeling rather important leaking more or less self-made rumors or hearsay to a journalist who take each word down on paper with glee as if it was words from a sphinx. I wonder how many sources in the papers classified as "insider knowledge" are in fact from the company driver, cleaning staff in the CEO's office or coffee maker who have enjoyed a few moments of feeling important in the company of a journalist!?

Abba


User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

A good A or B salesman would say that any airline is a potential customer!

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Turkish Airlines

I thought they'd go for A350 having an long haul airbus fleet

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
# Aeroflot
# Air France
# British Airways
# Cathay Pacific
# Etihad Airways
# Gulf Air
# Lufthansa
# Philippine Airlines
# United Airlines

Add Iberia....I make a hug $ bet they'l choose the A350 over the 787...I think they like to support EU oproducts thus go for airbus

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 4):
I think Aeroflot is firmly in the 787 camp given recent new reports.

Didn't some other thread state they'd go for the A350

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 10):
KL not on the list, well they said earlier that the MD-11 desision won't be made before 2008

Isn't then 787 too little to be an MD 11 replacement ?

Plus the MD 11 is due to remain in service till 2012...many years ahead of it



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7309 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 20):
Isn't then 787 too little to be an MD 11 replacement ?

If a 787-10 is made, then it might be the ideal size.



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 21):
If a 787-10 is made, then it might be the ideal size.

Thus the reason why hey are considering till 2008 the replacement ..thanks



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6446 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

One I am not sure on adding is Alitalia to the 787 list. Are they a potential 787 customer?


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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Where's Aer Lingus they are going to order soon. I would put them on the A350!

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