GBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9191 times:
Quoting PlaneDane (Reply 2): I don't really expect Lufthansa to seriously consider the B787 over the A350. To me, it seems that this is clearly an airline that will look to Airbus for its future aircraft fleet replacement needs.
Even if you are correct I think Lufthansa still is a potential customer for the 787 as well. In fact I think if the 2 lists are stating potential customers as opposed to probable customers they should be almost identical.
My understanding of English might be wrong, though.
11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1722 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9142 times:
Quoting GBan (Reply 3): Even if you are correct I think Lufthansa still is a potential customer for the 787 as well. In fact I think if the 2 lists are stating potential customers as opposed to probable customers they should be almost identical.
I would generally agree with that except for airlines that are looking for a one-for-one B767 or A300 replacement. The A350 is much larger than those aircraft.
Dalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9033 times:
Where is Emirates on these lists??? Don't know how accurate wikipedia is in general, but this indicates only 3 airlines are looking ONLY at the A350(AF,CX,PR); SU, EY, GF, UA, BA looking at both and the rest are looking at 787 only. Personally, I would have thought AF and CX would also look at the 787 and many of the 787 only listed airlines( Jet, LAN, Thai, Turkish etc) would also be potential A350 customers.
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8971 times:
no EK, no KL, so dont know how they ever could get this list together...
Aerolinas also on the list.. i never heard them talking about the 787... beside i see it more as a potential A350 customer.
KL not on the list, well they said earlier that the MD-11 desision won't be made before 2008, but last year they stated that slots for both 787 and A350 were selling like hot cakes, and since they think the A330 will be to small, i see them ordering the 787/A350 sooner than origially planned
Dalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8883 times:
I looked it up on Wikipedia.com and searched for 787 and found the list. The information looked quite valid to me and a prelude to the list stated that SQ and EK have shown interest, so you can add them as well. Also mentioned follow-on orders are likely from NZ, CO and NW. NZ has already ordered 2 more, CO is scratching around to get announced 10 firmly ordered(now stands at 7) and I don't know the likelihood of NW ordering more while in C11(although they do have 50 787 options).
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8807 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13): the lists should be identical. any airline considering one should also be considering the other. only AA may be taken off the 350 list. that's about it.
On that 787 list, there are some airlines who are not likely to order the A350. Those I would say who are NOT likely to order the A350 are Aeromexico, American, Avianca, Britannia, Delta, EL AL, and Saudi Arabian.
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Abba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1376 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8655 times:
I would believe that - even if they begin to show some interest in 2006 and perhaps ask for offers from the manufacturers - BA will not buy anything just yet. 2007/8 would be more likely.
CX has publicly stated that they are looking on both the 787 and the 350 as the next battle for their business. I would also not be surprised to see TG buying the 350 - in fact I wouldn't even be surprised if the got the 787 and the 350! TG must be a strong competitor for the title of the airline with the most different aircrafts in their fleet!
Save for El Al for obvious reasons, most of the airlines mentioned could be on both lists. Any airline would be rather stupid not to play the two manufacturers up against each other in order to get the best deal possible! For that reasons one should not put too much emphasis on "leaks" in the press that this or that product is preferred. It could well be part of a negotiation technique if it is not only some employee or "insider" (the CEO's housemaide or driver?) who - after a few drinks - are feeling rather important leaking more or less self-made rumors or hearsay to a journalist who take each word down on paper with glee as if it was words from a sphinx. I wonder how many sources in the papers classified as "insider knowledge" are in fact from the company driver, cleaning staff in the CEO's office or coffee maker who have enjoyed a few moments of feeling important in the company of a journalist!?