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Why Don't UA Fly LAX/BNE Or SFO/BNE?  
User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

QF finally realised that

1) With the population of the state of Queensland now 4 million & most of those in south-east corner, within say 90 minutes drive of Brisvegas, none of these potential pax wants to fly to SYD or AKL to get to the USA.

2) Americans/Canadians flying to Australia, don't want to necessarily fly into SYD. SYD is a nice place to visit, FOR A DAY, but most want to see the Great Barrier Reef, which is in or off Queensland.

QF have been increasing nonstop between BNE & LAX & as from end of JAN will be 5/week.

UA many years ago, fly BNE/SYD/LAX, much like they fly MEL/SYD/LAX today. Even BNE/SYD/LAX would be better than current UA arrangement & they could offer SYD/BNE/SYD to Australian inbound pax on UA or UA codeshare flights !!!

As we understand it UA 744's don't have range of QF 744's due to engines. LAX/BNE is significantly shorter than LAX/SYD so UA would also be less weight restricted out of west coast.

Or instead of following QF, who is usually the follower, UA could even do SFO/BNE as very roughly same distance as LAX/BNE & pax would avoid nightmare which is LAX.

Even a LAX/BNE/SYD or a SFO/BNE/SYD would garner UA some pax, who's only real choice is QF now.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6388 times:

There a few reasons United doesn't fly to BNE. One, they currently lack widebody capacity for BNE service. As it is, they could only fly their 744s on the route as their 648,000 pound 772ERs would have to take hideous weight restrictions and those are pretty much used up on other parts of the system. Additionally, the 744 may be too much capacity on the route for them to start, and definately too many premium seats (remember, QF flies 2 class 744s on the BNE-LAX route and United only has 3 class 744s). Finally, the BNE route really relies more on traffic from Australia, which is not really where United draws.


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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6381 times:

I would love to see LAX or SFO-BNE on United. I think one problem though might be that BNE would be far lower yieldinng than SYD. There is a lot of tourist traffic, but is there the business demand to support a flight? The First and Business Class cabins are important to making a flight profitable.

QF only recently started LAX-BNE. QF dominates the market between Australia and the United States. United doesn't need to start competing on a route like BNE-LAX/SFO if they don't feel that it is profitable. If someone that is loyal to United really wants to fly to BNE, they can always fly on Star Alliance Partner Air New Zealand.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
If someone that is loyal to United really wants to fly to BNE, they can always fly on Star Alliance Partner Air New Zealand.

Or they can fly UA to SYD and then on DJ under their agreement with UA to BNE



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

UA simply does not have enough aircraft to fly the routes they and we want them to fly. Until they emerge from bankruptcy and can buy additional aircraft, don't look for much expansion. When they do want to expand, don't look for them to expand on "nice to have" routes. They'll make sure any new international routes will be money makers, not just full of leisure travelers.

User currently offlineAirlinerfreak From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6316 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Thread starter):
Or instead of following QF, who is usually the follower, UA could even do SFO/BNE as very roughly same distance as LAX/BNE & pax would avoid nightmare which is LAX.

Uhm, may I ask, what nightmare are you talking of? LAX is a breeze to get through! No sarcasm at all to that.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 5):
Uhm, may I ask, what nightmare are you talking of? LAX is a breeze to get through! No sarcasm at all to that.

I agree with you Airlinerfreak. If you are flying United, LAX is a great airport to connect through. UA has its own immigration and customs facility for its international arrivals. There is no terminal transfer necessary. The facilities are not bad at all. In fact SFO isn't any better since you have to walk from the international terminal to the domestic terminal.

LAX is only bad if you are switching airlines. If you fly in on Air New Zealand or Qantas and connect to a United flight, then you will have to switch terminals. Tom Bradley International Terminal isn't very nice. It can be crowded when there are a number of incoming flights, but flying in on UA is not bad at all. Just don't switch airlines in LAX. You will have to get on a stupid bus or take a walk with your belongings. That is what is a pain.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
UA has its own immigration and customs facility for its international arrivals.

Actually, it is not United's facility. It is share with DL, CO, China Southern, Aeromexico and others.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25367 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6246 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Actually, it is not United's facility. It is share with DL, CO, China Southern, Aeromexico and others

Incorrect.

Delta and its parters at T-5 have their own small customs facility.

The T-6/T-7 customs facility solely serves United and was primarily financed by the carrier during the T-7/8 terminal upgrades.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
Incorrect.

Delta and its parters at T-5 have their own small customs facility.

The T-6/T-7 customs facility solely serves United and was primarily financed by the carrier during the T-7/8 terminal upgrades.

What about Continental's Mexico flights?



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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1069 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 5):
Uhm, may I ask, what nightmare are you talking of? LAX is a breeze to get through! No sarcasm at all to that.

Uhmm, you are joking? LAX is possibly along with JFK the worst airport that I have been too. Ever been to KUL, SIN, HKG? There is nothing worse than arriving in TBIT, fight the immigration lines, then having to wait to catch a bus to your next terminal with all of your carry on items all over the place. It's the last thing I want to be doing after fly 12+ hours.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25367 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

The daily Copa and the very much scaled back CO Mexico flights use TBIT.

[Edited 2006-01-13 02:59:02]


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

Chrisrad you missed the point. LAX is aweful if you are arriving at TBIT or having to connect to other airlines after arriving at terminals with customs. But if you arrive on UA and stay on a UA flight, LAX his nice. Their own Customs/Immigrations and in their own terminal.

Now if you have to arrive on another carrier, specially one that uses TBIT, that a nightmare.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11):
Copa and CO go over to TBIT.

Wow, what a waste. I can't believe CO actually sends those little RJs all the way over there. Crazy



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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6133 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
One, they currently lack widebody capacity for BNE service.

They put on 3 extra LAX/SYD per week & have had trouble filling them. If they had put them on LAX/BNE instead, they would have filled them more easily at a higher yield. Check the loads on qf BNE/LAX NONSTOP !!!

Also, there's too much capacity out on SYD/LAX. BNE business types will change their day of departure, if they find QF don't fly BNE/LAX that day, rather than go thru awful SYD.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
I think one problem though might be that BNE would be far lower yieldinng than SYD.

Myth-lot of business traffic on BNE/LAX nonstop. QF does MEL/LAX nonstop using 744ER's. UA launched the route I think, but was gazumped by QF. UA's weight restriction problems LAX/SYD were worse OVER LONGER LAX/MEL, so they pulled out.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
they can always fly on Star Alliance Partner Air New Zealand.

Who wants to go via AKL !!!!

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 4):
UA simply does not have enough aircraft to fly the routes they and we want them to fly. Until they emerge from bankruptcy and can buy additional aircraft, don't look for much expansion. When they do want to expand, don't look for them to expand on "nice to have" routes. They'll make sure any new international routes will be money makers, not just full of leisure travelers.

They do have aircraft to put 3 extra LAX/SYD per week currently !!!

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 5):
Uhm, may I ask, what nightmare are you talking of? LAX is a breeze to get through! No sarcasm at all to that.

Don't fly UA as they don't fly to Brisvegas. UA codeshare on DJ-can't check bags thru, as far as we know BNE/SYD/LAX-SFO.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
I agree with you Airlinerfreak. If you are flying United, LAX is a great airport to connect through. UA has its own immigration and customs facility for its international arrivals. There is no terminal transfer necessary. The facilities are not bad at all. In fact SFO isn't any better since you have to walk from the international terminal to the domestic terminal.

BNE pax fly QF, not because it's a great airline, but via SYD adds 4, 5 or even 6 hours in each direction !!!


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25367 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6114 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Wow, what a waste. I can't believe CO actually sends those little RJs all the way over there. Crazy

The COEx Mexico flying has withered down to a mere two or so weekly flights per destination. The aircraft, as with Copa park at T-6 and pax get bussed over to TBIT.
I really wonder how serious COEx is with their pending LAX-SJD application as they seem to have just about walked away from the other LA-Mexico flying.



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

Simpliicity why do we have yet another QF-bashing thread? Geez.

From an inbound tourism perspective, I think the majority of Americans who visit the Queensland holiday resorts won't care whether they transfer through SYD or BNE from / to the US, given they'd probably go to Sydney anyway. That's a fact according to tourism figures and my own inbound experience and not a figment of imagination.

From a business flyer perspective, you may find that people who regularly fly QF BNE-LAX because their company has a QF account for international flights and none with UA? Yes they may hate transferring thru SYD or AKL on the days QF don't operate to LAX direct, but they also wouldn't have a choice in what airline they fly. That's before you look at people you can't drag out of Qantas Clubs and won't have any Star Alliance status.

I doubt infrequent business travellers would care, or is allowed to care, what they fly and via where.

And from an outbound tourism perspective, infrequent travellers to the US won't care whether they fly via AKL, SYD or direct to LAX, esp if the direct flight is hard to get and potentially more expensive when they go and book. They'll grumble about it afterwards and say how good a direct LAX service will be or if UA flies to BNE, but these guys will always vote with the pockets.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
Chrisrad you missed the point. LAX is aweful if you are arriving at TBIT or having to connect to other airlines after arriving at terminals with customs. But if you arrive on UA and stay on a UA flight, LAX his nice. Their own Customs/Immigrations and in their own terminal.

Now if you have to arrive on another carrier, specially one that uses TBIT, that a nightmare.

So LAX is a nightmare for most international travellers thru LAX then! Contrast this to any of the newer Asian airports and you'll see the difference!!!



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25367 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

United Airlines manages to easily and cheaply operate additional Sydney frequencies by the mere fact as they already hold a presence in the market and can avoid costly marketing and establishment of staff/facilities in a new city such as Brisbane.

New long haul cities generaly take significant time and investment to show profit for a carrier (if ever). I'm quite certain that if UA felt Brisbane was such a jewel of a market, it would have resumed this route is operated for a brief time in the 90s a long time ago.

[Edited 2006-01-13 04:08:18]


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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6085 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 16):
I doubt infrequent business travellers would care, or is allowed to care, what they fly and via where.

who r u kididing. U must live in Sydney?

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 17):
I quite certain if UA felt BNE was such a jewel of a market, it would have resumed this route is operated for a brief time in the 90s a long time ago.

Actually UA by there decisions haven't been that bright & the way airline salaries r going, they'll probably make more dumb decisions.

Number crunchers in Chicago, have no idea !!!

If UA said it would allow QF Club members into their Red Carpet lounges, it would help entice these pax across to UA & would cost UA virtually nothing at all !!! If it meant they needed more or bigger Red Cc's then such a promo must be working !!!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 14):
They put on 3 extra LAX/SYD per week & have had trouble filling them.

The point of the extra 3 services was cargo demand more than anything

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 14):
Check the loads on qf BNE/LAX NONSTOP !!!

Again, that is because QF is flying them and drying up the ex-Oz traffic. Additionally, they have the benefit of a dual class 744 fleet that makes the route more economically viable

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 14):
UA launched the route I think, but was gazumped by QF. UA's weight restriction problems LAX/SYD were worse OVER LONGER LAX/MEL, so they pulled out.

That is because QF was able to dump their fares and still make a profit as the 744ER allows them to carry a full load most days on the route while United was stuck blocking off way too many seats.



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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
The point of the extra 3 services was cargo demand more than anything

come off it. THEY'RE ALREADY WEIGHT RESTRICTED OUT OF LAX.

they put them on in DEC-JAN peak season, but they commited them too late, as well. Many Australian leisure travellers (very few business travellers in dec-jan period), commit very early. We book hundreds of JAN departures in FEB, 11 months ahead !!!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 20):
come off it. THEY'RE ALREADY WEIGHT RESTRICTED OUT OF LAX.

Ok, first off, they are only weight restricted out of LAX on days where weather dictates an alternate, which is not all the time. Second, they did add the flight for cargo demand, prefering to cap the pax on it in order to make the cargo money. Get over yourself.



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 18):
who r u kididing. U must live in Sydney?

Business traveller: I need to fly to LA for an important business meeting on 29 June, and I want a direct flight to LA none of this transfer through NZ or SYD.
Corporate travel agent: That day QF flies direct to LAX, cost $6500, but UA has a fare for $5900 through SYD. Your policy says I must book you on the cheaper flight.

Well?



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User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 22):
That day QF flies direct to LAX, cost $6500, but UA has a fare for $5900 through SYD. Your policy says I must book you on the cheaper flight.

Well?

Incredibly easy to get around any corportate travel policy - all that needs to be said is timing is wrong on UA or not available.

We have seen agents make seats disappear (sometimes 50 or more), so client(the pax, not the company that's paying) gets what they want.

Public servants use these methods all the time to make sure they're on QF, in their QF club, getting their points, rather than on DJ or now OzJet, although OzJet does seem to be getting a following of repeat customers. OzJet's battle is to get pax on them in the 1st place. Perhaps they should give away a free seat to a regular flyer - who can demonstrate he/she's flown QF say 1/2 dozen times in last month on higher fares !!!


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9638 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 14):
Myth-lot of business traffic on BNE/LAX nonstop.

Then why does QF only operate a two class 747? If there was enough business traffic filling the premium cabins, then United might be more inclined to open the route. United's long haul network is configured for premium and high yielding markets since every plane is a three class plane. BNE-LAX might have a lot of business traffic, but if they do, why doesn't QF offer first class. If QF cannot fill up a first class cabin, then how would United?

One more thing,

Honestly Simplicity, can you please stop starting all these threads that aren't based real facts but rather just devolve into opinion flamewars. You always seem to be negative about something be it United or Qantas or whomever else. Lighten up please.

Sincerely,
Many Anet Users



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25 Simpilicity : Think division between business & 1st is diminishing. Haven't many U.S. carriers gone 2 class internationally? Isn't CO's called business 1st?
26 RoseFlyer : Ok, but that isn't true for United. United still has a very separate business and first class section. The first class seats are fully flat beds whil
27 Simpilicity : so does this mean that UA 1st is like QF business? In that case shouldn't UA get rid of so called business class? Lot of business travellers ex BNE.
28 N1120A : No, United First is a pod type fully flat F class seat like in F on many airlines. United Business are recliner type seats, but not the flat-but-not
29 Simpilicity : but you've just described QF business class !!!
30 AeroWesty : You could easily find your answers on UA's site, including all the features of the United First Suite, that in terms of seating arrangement, could ha
31 Simpilicity : there seems to be very little difference & in reference to waffle above talking about reason why UA can't fly to BNE, they don't stack up. UA should
32 AeroWesty : What did you say?
33 Simpilicity : all these people saying that BNE can't support a 3 class aircraft, when UA 1st seems to be same or very similar to QF business. There's plenty of hig
34 6thfreedom : Mate, you have no idea. UA suspended LAX-MEL post S11... In April 2002 actually. At one stage they operated double daily one-stoppers to MEL... LAX-A
35 AeroWesty : And what does that have to do with your going onto UA's site to look at the configuration of the United First Suite before jumping to (yet another) c
36 Simpilicity : Mate YOU have no idea !!! Surpirsed you even have telephones out there in the middle of nowhere. Have u got a satellite mobile phone? How did u becom
37 AeroWesty : It's obvious you don't even want to make the slightest effort to satisfy your own curiousity. You know the URL ... united.com It's there plain as day
38 Simpilicity : yep, definitley sounds like QF business class, so what is UA business class for, upgrades only? A non-class, old chunky seats from the early 90's?
39 Post contains links and images N1120A : Ok, this has gone on long enough. Since you can't do your own research on this very site, I will do it for you, but I don't want another peep about t
40 6thfreedom : Well, you Queenslanders can't go non-stop daily, that's for sure!
41 Simpilicity : BOY R U BEHIND THE TIMES !!! QF has been spending a fortune on TV ads selling their pod business class seats, that go to 180 degrees that FLAT. The Q
42 Simpilicity : Now that daily QF BNE/AKL/LAX involves 4 or 5 hours at AKL (from end of this month), am certain, if QF have the aircraft, they be going daily very so
43 Post contains links N1120A : Boy do you not do even the tiniest bit of research. If you had gone to this http://www.qantas.com.au/info/flying...ravelClasses/internationalBusiness
44 Simpilicity : Wrong again !!! QF bus class across Pacific is nowew fully recliner POD seats completely FLAT !!! That's why everyone want to fly bus class (pitty th
45 N1120A : For crying out loud, will you give it up already. Qantas uses the same 180 degree, but not level seats that are used on SQ, NW, LH, KL and others. Th
46 AeroWesty : It's such a shame, really. Didn't you, err, him, err, someone have a post once about how to avoid being seated with the riff-raff?
47 6thfreedom : Must have been the same post from the Qantas-bashing loser that was seeking an upgrade on an N class fare!
48 Post contains links and images SFORunner : The QF SkyBed was announced in September 2003: http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2003/sep03/2965 Skybed is 6 feet, 6.5 inches
49 ZK-NBT : I don't like to sound biased but I think you will see UA back in AKL before BNE. Though funnily enough I was thinking just today UA could operate LAX-
50 ClassicLover : QF Business Class is the exact seats in the picture in N1120A's post 39. This is the Upper Deck of the 747-400 and I flew up there (in 16A and K, the
51 Dugway : I don't usually like to come in on the end of an argument, but I am simply amazed how simple simplicity is. Even when presented with all of the infor
52 ANstar : Here, here! Red Carpet Lounges dont really compete with the QF club so thats hardly an enticement Woohoo... please, somebody stop him.... If UA can;t
53 RoseFlyer : Well LAX-SYD-BNE and LAX-AKL-BNE are almost the same length. They are both about 7950 miles compared to 7150miles for a nonstop flight. So yes transi
54 UAL777UK : Good old simplicity.........he lives up to his name...well and truly simple!! I would just like to ask him one question.................have you ever
55 SFORunner : Recall that UA have been flying 3x additional weekly frequencies of LAX - SYD and SFO -SYD, respectively, during this year's summer season: in additi
56 RoseFlyer : It is true that UA could probably pack the cabin full of leisure passengers flying to BNE and pack the cargo holds filled with cargo on its way to SY
57 N1120A : United uses the SYD-MEL sector on the LAX-SYD-MEL flight to also connect up to their SFO-SYD flight, which helps loads. Actually, UA had the option o
58 ORDflier : QF Members in the Red Carpet Club... actually they can enter now... they can pay the $50 for a one day pass. Honestly I think this is behind the scene
59 ETA Unknown : United's LAX-SYD-BNE service lasted less than a year in the 90's- the SYD-BNE sector was often cancelled due no passengers. BNE is branch-office city
60 6thfreedom : spot on ETA. QF is well known for its defensive moves. Look at AO and Jetstar International. I have little doubt that BNE-LAX is marginal at best, bu
61 Aussie747 : I think you could see QF do BNE/LAX non stop daily as early as JUN/JUL 2007. As by that time QF would have 2 x A380's in the fleet by then that would
62 Post contains images CX777Fan : I think the reason UA won't enter the BNE Market is simply the enormous trouble their pilots and FAs would have pronouncing Brisbane.
63 BNE : The current schedule wouldn't make it feasible to add in Brisbane as one plane is committed to going to Melbourne and back. UA already code share on
64 ZK-NBT : They did have the option of NZ handling the flight but the problem was they couldn't lay off their 96 employees in AKL. Hence the reason the route wa
65 N1120A : Technically, SQ do (they also have higher MTOW ones) In their effort to cut costs, UA actually replaced some 772ERs with 744s. The 744 was most defin
66 ZK-NBT : I do agree in the NZ winter it probably was. Remember at almost the same time NZ dropped SYD-LAX and added additional AKL-LAX flights.
67 N1120A : Precisely. UA decided to allow NZ's pull on both ends to take over and now acts as a feeder service.
68 2travel2know : BNE as a destination looks more like a good one for Hawaiian (like PPT from HNL) not that much for UA. But if UA has an idle B747 or B777 a thrice wee
69 BNE : Brisbane surrounding areas has its own beaches so there is no real demand for Queenslanders to go to Hawaii. Brisbane having a sub tropical climate m
70 N1120A : Besides the fact that Queensland is the Aussie version of Florida, United doesn't have any 744s to spare on a route where they wont fill up and their
71 JoFMO : Would it make sense for UA to route their MEL flight through BNE instead of SYD?
72 N1120A : No way. The vast majority of traffic between Oz and the US, particularly from the US end, goes to Sydney. Most of the rest is going to Melbourne. LAX
73 AeroWesty : That would nix the online connection at SYD for the flight to/from SFO as mentioned some posts above.
74 JoFMO : I don't mean to give up SYD!! Just offer 3 daylies to Australia, what would be one daily flight more than during off-peak season or 4weekly more than
75 Lufthansa : Okay but what is to stop united Reconfiguring one or two of its 744s? They wouldn't even have to buy new seats, they could just use the ones out of s
76 N1120A : Reconfiguring just 2 planes would completely screw up their utilization and rotation. Planes don't just run between LAX and SYD they go LAX-SYD-LAX-N
77 Lufthansa : Okay but what about this. This flight doesn't need to be daily, even 3 or 4 times a week should be popular enough (hence taking up 1 a/c). QF leaves
78 AeroWesty : I'm not quite sure why everyone keeps wanting UA on the route to BNE (especially considering the thread starter's well-known disdain for the Friendly
79 N1120A : There is so much to deal with here. First, less than daily long haul destinations is not UA's style. In order to make the most out of a station, they
80 Antskip : Is QF planning to give the LAX-BNE direct route to Jetstar's new B787's when they arrive?
81 Lufthansa : We'll QF doesn't do that very effectively because it only offers you a handful of cities you can visit on their standard fares. Why? Because they hav
82 N1120A : While the typical Australian will travel more than the typical American, Australia has less than 10% of the population of the US. I can guarantee you
83 Lufthansa : This doesn't prove anything other than Americans, on a per capita basis, don't consume as much long haul travel. Nobody is suggesting that UAL should
84 Simpilicity : well said Lufhhansa, couldn't agree more. Also someone above said UA don't like launching a new city unless daily. As far as we can remember SYD/SFO s
85 2travel2know : Well HNL could work as a hub and a B744 isn't needed to fly HNL-BNE-HNL. I know this topic is about UA in BNE, but since someone mentioned UA using t
86 Lufthansa : The 744 offers far better seat mile costs than the 767, so that logic is a little fuzzy. We are also talking about flying into cities with smaller ca
87 AeroWesty : CO captures both O&D traffic and connecting passengers through a HUGE hub with non-stop flights to virtually every corner of the U.S. What has BNE do
88 Lufthansa : We have. It's called QF175 and QF 25. And to back it up, SQ is trying very hard to get permission. How about this? because they could make a couple o
89 Gigneil : That only matters when the seats are full, and a United service to BNE wouldn't be. You all know it. Stop arguing semantics. United cannot profitably
90 RoseFlyer : First off there seems to be a number of Anetters that think airlines should start a hub in HNL. That only worked when planes did not have the range t
91 2travel2know : That's great, if an airline has the demmand for that kind of aircraft in an specific route. I don't think BNA is a candidate for a daily SFO/LAX non-
92 AeroWesty : How about backing it up with numbers and yields like I asked, instead of just pointing out there are a couple of flights. You know, route economics.
93 Lufthansa : Okay you guys want numbers: (QF175, nonstop) here goes. Firstly those flights are consistantly full. Load factors in the high 90s... i believe the fig
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