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Any Chance For New Trans-Atlantic Service From BWI  
User currently offlineHoosierCFI From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

I have flown FI and BA numerous times both on peak and off peak, and their loads have been pretty good both in Business and Coach. Seems like someone else would want to try this market. Has anyone heard anything about new service coming? I know that MaxJet had planned on servicing BWI before they changed to an all Business model. I also know that the Maryland Aviation authority is also desperately trying to get more international service, as seen by their subsidized advertising of the new MEX route.

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Haven't heard anything regarding this, however BWI its not the only airport looking for Int'l service. SEA, BOS, DFW, IAH, and TPA are all looking for Trans-Atlantic service. But yes, you have a point, at least a couple of airlines should be looking at BWI.

User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5002 times:

Look for the new US Airways MetroJet transatlantic service using all-coach A380s. Fed by PropJet Beech 1900Ds and PencilJet CRJ-900s, operated by Air Midwest.

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9828 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4968 times:

I would say that BWI suffers from being too close to large international airports with full hubs in place in the form of IAD and PHL. Any BWI transatlantic service would have to heavily rely on O/D on both sides since nonstop flights are available to most European destinations from IAD or PHL.

BWI is a leisure hub. It suffers in the same way that Stansted did up until Maxjet and Eos. Baltimore is a large enough city to support some international service, but the only destination that it can truly support is London. I would say that the only other outside possibility would be Lufthansa to FRA which would rely on O/D and connections to Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean, but that is unlikely. What business connections does Baltimore have?

In reality though more international routes will likely come. Flights to Mexico or the Caribbean could probably be successful if the airport works hard enough to secure them.



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User currently offlineFRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

There has been speculation that Southwest may start transatlantic service out of BWI to connect with one of the discount carriers in Europe. ATA has been rumored to be doing this for WN, on a codeshare or wetlease basis. I'm sure there's been market research done.

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Quoting FRA2DTW (Reply 4):
There has been speculation that Southwest may start transatlantic service out of BWI to connect with one of the discount carriers in Europe. ATA has been rumored to be doing this for WN, on a codeshare or wetlease basis. I'm sure there's been market research done

Wait wait wait. Are you kidding me, I doubt TZ has the ability or the a/c to launch trans-at service anytime soon. Their just clinging to surrvive.



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 2):
Look for the new US Airways MetroJet transatlantic service using all-coach A380s. Fed by PropJet Beech 1900Ds and PencilJet CRJ-900s, operated by Air Midwest.

Looks Like The Last Metrojet did not do so well in Thailand


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8199 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

Quoting FRA2DTW (Reply 4):
There has been speculation that Southwest may start transatlantic service out of BWI to connect with one of the discount carriers in Europe. ATA has been rumored to be doing this for WN, on a codeshare or wetlease basis. I'm sure there's been market research done.

I highly doubt it. Southwest had a marketing agreement with Icelandair, with WN feeding the FI trans-Atlantic flight/s, with a link up (I think) at the European end with another LCC. It didn't pan out, way too many connections (Southwest to Icelandair at BWI, Icelandair to Icelandair at Keflavik, Icenlandair to European LCC at the other end, etc) to be in any way attractive - and it didn't work out much cheaper for the punter; as everyone says here on a.net, the reason there aren't any "LCC" airlines across the pond is cos BA, LH, CO, AI et al do a great job of providing full service at a very low price. West Europe to the US takes about eight hours, so you need a load of jet fuel and you have to provide two fullish meals to the punters. How can easyJet do that for less than £250 return? Anyway getting off the point. But Southwest tried trans-Atlantic from BWI with an Icelandair codeshare and it didn't work at all. Besides everything else, LCCs just weren't born to interline. Next.



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 6):
Looks Like The Last Metrojet did not do so well in Thailand

Gotta love how they really worked hard coming up with a new livery. There were pictures in Airways or another magazine where they repainted the rest of their fleet in the old MJ colors.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4800 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 3):
n reality though more international routes will likely come. Flights to Mexico or the Caribbean could probably be successful if the airport works hard enough to secure them.

BWI already has some low cost carriers (USA 3000, Air Tran) serving the Caribbean, (Bermuda, Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, and Mexico). BWI has developed as the king of LCC on the east coast which in the long run will prevent more intercontinental service to Europe.


User currently offlineAAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

I had posted a thread several months back wondering if we would ever see AF @ BWI. In the summer when they go to 3 daily with 2 777's and 1 A330, I was hoping they would send the A330 over to BWI. I fly AF on average of 4 times a year, I usually take flight 27 out of IAD, BWI is closer and a straight shot from my home up Route 301 to Route 97, where as IAD is Route 228 to Route 210 (Indian Head Hwy) to 495 (Beltway) and around the mixing bowl and construction. I still hold out hope they will try it one season and go from there.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

BWI is lucky enough to have British Airways and Icelandair, especially with Dulles in the region - that is a lot more than FLL, OAK, or SJC, other airports in the shadows of bigger ones when it comes to long-haul service, have. The added expenses of opening a route to a secondary airport in the same market are usually not worth it, especially because the route is unlikely to attract premium fliers. If it were not for the fact that BA was able to locate a loophole that allowed BWI service to go to Heathrow, I truly doubt they would still be flying to Baltimore.


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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 8):

Gotta love how they really worked hard coming up with a new livery. There were pictures in Airways or another magazine where they repainted the rest of their fleet in the old MJ colors.

US Airways should have sued Phuket Air for pasting the Metrojet colors on the YS-11


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User currently offlineHoosierCFI From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
If it were not for the fact that BA was able to locate a loophole that allowed BWI service to go to Heathrow, I truly doubt they would still be flying to Baltimore.

I haven't heard of the loophole. I thought that it had something to do with 9/11, as BA shifted a bunch of flights from LGW to LHR because of security. So, what was the loophole?


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9828 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
If it were not for the fact that BA was able to locate a loophole that allowed BWI service to go to Heathrow, I truly doubt they would still be flying to Baltimore.

I don't think it is really a loophole. Isn't Baltimore considered the same market as Washington DC and thus is allowed to have nonstop service to LHR by BA, VS, UA and AA.

Also any airport that has no competition to LHR can have nonstop service by BA, AA, VS or UA. PHX and DEN are examples of this. If UA started nonstop service between DEN and London, then both BA and UA would have to fly to LGW. Only certain airports like SEA, SFO, LAX, ORD, MIA, NYC, WAS, and BOS can have competing nonstop service to LHR (there may be others).



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4547 times:

Quoting HoosierCFI (Reply 13):
I haven't heard of the loophole. I thought that it had something to do with 9/11, as BA shifted a bunch of flights from LGW to LHR because of security.

Had nothing to do with security, nor was it a true loophole. Basically, BA successfully argued that BWI was a WAS coterminal.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 14):
Also any airport that has no competition to LHR can have nonstop service by BA, AA, VS or UA.

That capability is for British carriers only.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 14):
Only certain airports like SEA, SFO, LAX, ORD, MIA, NYC, WAS, and BOS can have competing nonstop service to LHR (there may be others).

As per Bermuda-II, here are twelve permanent LHR gateways, two of them currently dormant.... BOS, ANC, MSP, NYC, PHL, WAS, CHI, MFW, DTT, SEA, QSF (minus SJC), and QLA



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Quoting HoosierCFI (Reply 13):
I thought that it had something to do with 9/11, as BA shifted a bunch of flights from LGW to LHR because of security.

It had nothing to do with security, it had to do with operational streamlining and the ability to make DEN, PHX and SAN look more attractive to business travellers.



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