Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
CO BusinessFirst Question  
User currently offlineHotelEchoFox From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Hey all - I've just booked a trip on CO R/T EWR-CUN in BusinessFirst for early May. The trip down is on a 757-200. Since it's Mexico - not transatlantic - I assumed the flight would be on the 'Domestic' version of the aircraft (24 F seats), as opposed to the 'International' version (16 F seats).

Here's the strange part: When I went to select the seats, the seatmap displayed just 3 rows of BusinessFirst (12 seats).

This is at odds with the seatmaps on CO's website as well as the ones on seatguru.com. So, is CO changing their 752 layout, or is the rear half of BF not displaying on the seat selector? Or is CO putting the 'International' seats on 'Domestic' aircraft?

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

HEF

12 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

I believe that Continental shows only three rows of first class for their 757s so that they can substitute between the 757-200s which have 24 first class seats and 757-300s which only have 12 first class seats.

EWR-CUN is a leisure route that would rarely if ever see an internationally equipped 757. The route can be oprerated by a domestically configured 757-200 or a 757-300. You can find out closer to the departure date. Right now they sell the economy cabin as if it was a 757-200 since it has a smaller economy cabin and the first class cabin as if it were a 757-300 because it has a smaller cabin. If there is higher demand for first class, then it might stay a 757-200, but if the demand for economy seats is higher than the 757-200, then the plane might end up being a 757-300.

Also it is only called first class on the domestic 757s. The international 757s have BusinessFirst, which has much more legroom, recline and legrests with more than 55 inches of seat pitch. The domestic first class only has 36 inches of pitch and is less comfortable, but is used on shorter flights like EWR-CUN.

[Edited 2006-01-14 20:24:11]


If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineHotelEchoFox From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Thanks, RoseFlyer. I probably ought to have thought of that. But according to CO's website, even the international version has 4 rows (16 seats)... Why the missing row? Ideas?

HEF


User currently offlineHotelEchoFox From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Ah, I see. The 753 has 12 F seats.

Sorry, I missed the edited portion of your message before posting... Thanks so much for your help!

HEF

[Edited 2006-01-14 20:33:08]

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting HotelEchoFox (Reply 2):
But according to CO's website, even the international version has 4 rows (16 seats)... Why the missing row? Ideas?

What do you mean? You might end up on a 757-300 that only has 3 rows (12 seats), so that will be what shows up until closer to departure time when it is finalized if a 757-200 or 757-300 is operating the route. Continental.com shows the route to be using a 757-200 now, but if it gets changed to the 757-300 then there will be no missing seats.

The 757-200 International Versions have 4 rows, but that is because they are spaced out more.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7172 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2272 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

On my last international haul on CO, IAH-NRT-IAH, I was in C class. Is this their Biz/First product, or is this not a valid assumption of mine in a 3 class 772? Great service either way!!!

Regards.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 5):
On my last international haul on CO, IAH-NRT-IAH, I was in C class. Is this their Biz/First product, or is this not a valid assumption of mine in a 3 class 772?

Continental only operates 2 Class 772s. You would have been in BusinessFirst, which is the same overall product as on certain 757-200s. The type of 757s to operate EWR-CUN would have the lower quality domestic first class.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Here's the deal:

CO is changing their 752s to an all-international configuration over the next few months as a result of the added Europe routes on the 752. Therefore, even though EWR-CUN is considered a "leisure" route, you will more likely than not end up with the B/F seats on the aircraft.

As far as the 3 rows goes, I think that CO is simply trying to cover their butts in case they put a 753 on the route. The 753 used to have 12 F seats, and they're slowly changing the configuration back to 24 F seats, but since not all of the aircraft are swapped over, they're attempting to avoid an oversold F by only putting a seatmap with 12 F seats.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7172 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
Continental only operates 2 Class 772s

Those a/c are always so full, my flight IAH-NRT, and I've read about the EWR-TLV. I know AA and CO operate very similar 772 services, AA has the three class, why not CO?

Thanks!


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

I actually just always thought it was an error, just like the missing exit row on the 75Bs.

But it makes sense that if they fear they are going to sub it out with a 753 or certain 737s when the time got closer, they wouldn't sell any more than 12F seats that far out. I would assume that in the future when teh 753 conversion is complete, the routes that could "swap out" will shop 4 rows of F far in advance even when a 753 is listed. We'll see.

And BTW - this is NOT a business first flight, just a First Class flight. You may get BF seats, you may not, but you won't get Business First meals or blankets or amenity kits. The F meal will be tasty enough, but it'll be a one tray deal with soup and entree in most cases. No multicourse service or fresh cookies or ice cream.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineHotelEchoFox From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Thanks, Cory6188! Great news! It would be excellent to get the international product on this short hop.

HEF


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 8):
Those a/c are always so full, my flight IAH-NRT, and I've read about the EWR-TLV. I know AA and CO operate very similar 772 services, AA has the three class, why not CO?

because CO is a two class airline. It's their business model, and CO business is superior to most other Business products out there, because CO doesn't have to avoid competition with it's own F product.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 8):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 6):
Continental only operates 2 Class 772s

Those a/c are always so full, my flight IAH-NRT, and I've read about the EWR-TLV. I know AA and CO operate very similar 772 services, AA has the three class, why not CO?

The biggest reason why AA operates three cabin airplanes is London Heathrow. A true first class cabin has become rare in the world now. The services in first class are amazing as the seats are fully flat with PTVs and good meals. But it is awfully expensive, and few people or companies can afford to pay for it.

Business class has improved in recent years. Continental does not operate a true first class cabin. They have high quality business class cabin. It caters to the majority of premium customers and works for many airlines in the United States. DL operates their 777s in a two class configuration. US and NW also only have two class international planes.

American (and United) has a network that can more support first class. AA has many 777s to LHR along with other high yielding destinations. These routes can support first class. It isn't that Continental is a hugely different airline, but they just can't get the passengers to fill up first class, so they do not offer it. The trend of removing first class on long haul flights took off in the late 90s and has continued through to today.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
A CO Operations Question posted Wed Aug 16 2006 22:34:25 by NorthstarBoy
Award On QF From CO OnePass-Question posted Mon Jun 19 2006 01:23:43 by Astrojet707
CO 757 Question? posted Thu Jun 15 2006 08:34:11 by BoeingFever777
Laptop Connection On CO Businessfirst posted Thu May 25 2006 01:07:40 by Nycfuturepilot
CO Upgrade Question posted Mon Jan 10 2005 14:33:45 by Geoffm
CO BusinessFirst Advice posted Fri Sep 24 2004 04:42:27 by KITH
CO 63 Question posted Thu Jun 10 2004 21:34:29 by JBLUA320
CO Meals Question posted Fri Jun 4 2004 04:30:33 by JBLUA320
DL/AF/CO Mile Question posted Mon Feb 9 2004 05:48:10 by COEWRNJ
CO Reservation Question posted Fri Jan 9 2004 04:09:57 by Mcmahonsmr