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AA 757's- Cabin Upgrades?  
User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

I saw a picture on A.net the other day I think and it was of a new AA 757 cabin interrior with the blue seats in coach. Contrary to what I've heard, has AA started upgrading (finally) the interiors of their 757's and if so, when will these be complete?

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User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Not bloody fast enough. On my flight BOS-MAN last November, I was disgusted with the 752's condition.....honestly, i've never seen anything like it! Above all, it had the service to match, but that's another story.

Would be nice to see a seat in their plane that isn't ripped and torn to the point where you must fix it, as I did, with your only set of headphones just so you can sit in it! No wonder they have so much money!


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

They dont have the new seats in Coach. Only the seat covers. I was on a few AA 757's this week back and forth from SAN-ORD. They are the old seats but have the new seat covers.

User currently offlineAASuper80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

UGH! I was on AA Fl 95 from BOS-SFO yesterday, in row 3b, and the first cabin was a MESS!!! the seats were torn and some of them had pen marks all over them...they really needed to be cleaned and upgraded! The service was "ok" but mostly we heard a flight attendant complain about his bad back as he was serving dinner-not to mention his counterpart, a frumpy old lady that failed to brush her hair before her trans-con trip.

User currently offlineDjmatthews From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

The worst two flights in my life were on AAs 757s. From DFW-MCO and MCO-DFW respectivly. These are horrible planes. AA really needs to get its act together.

User currently offlineUAL747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

This week I flew LAX-OGG on a AA 757. This one must have had on of the old interiors cause it looked tired and the bathrooms were out of date also.

UAL747-600


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

wow, this turned into a bitch fest quick. I actually liked my aa 752 flight DFW-LAS  Smile  stirthepot . But as far as the interiors are concerned, I really dont know, sorry.

Justin



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User currently offlineRdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

I am sure they do not compare to CO's 757's on TRansatlantic..

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

Any photos of the offending cabins?

User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

Am I right in saying the 757's operating JFK-SEA have the following seats, or are there two different seating configs on the 757?

First / Coach

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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4753 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

And people bitch about Delta....


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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

I flew an AA 752 last month, MIA/LGA and it did indeed have the new seat covers but nothing else was different. The airplane itself was slightly newer than some of the other AA 752s i have been on, but still it was old. AA really do need to work on the 757s and the A300s.


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

People complain about every airline. I've flown frequently on AA MD-80s on ORD-MSP and MSP-ORD. It's a short flight, but they never dissapointed me. Northwest is, in my opinion, the worst large airline in America. United is okay, sometimes good, sometimes not, American is also like this. I haven't had a chance to fly Delta recently. I guess continental is the nicest airline to fly, huh?

What scares me more, is on a NW flight from LAX to MSP on a 752 I was on, there was paint worn off the fuselage. That was ..... disturbing. Last year on a UA flight from ORD to CLE, there were likewise pieces of paint stripped off. It just takes my faith out of their maintanance staffs.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 12):
People complain about every airline. I've flown frequently on AA MD-80s on ORD-MSP and MSP-ORD. It's a short flight, but they never dissapointed me.

If you haven't flown on a 757 or A300, then you can't comment. The MD80s and 738s have nice new interiors, but the 757s are disgusting. The first class seats are dirtier and less comfortable than seats that you would find in a dilapidated terminal. As you can see from that picture, even the first class seats suck. The economy seats are no better. The seats are stained, soiled and torn, and the carpet is faded, stained and pealing up. The wallpaper is a disgusting bluish brown from years of heavy abuse. Overall I have flown on far nicer airplanes on airlines in third world countries. It isn't that AA does a bad job of cleaning its planes, it is that AA has not refurbished those cabins in many years. After flying day after day after day, planes need refurbishments and AA only refurbished the MD80s the last time around. A 757 refurbishment is desperately needed since they sometimes operate on some high yielding routes in addition to leisure markets.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 12):
United is okay, sometimes good, sometimes not, American is also like this.

At least United has free movies and telelvision programming available with complimentary use of headsets to all passengers on most flights (with the exceptions of 737s that tend to be used on shorter flights less than 750 miles). Also United actually has pillows and blankets.

I get just as steamed as the next person when someone complaines about an airline and says it is the worst ever after they flew it just a few times, but AA has a significant portion of its fleet that is below the standard of comfort. Greyhound buses are cleaner and more comfortable than AA 757s.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7311 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4817 times:
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What I heard was gonna happen, the 762 763 Biz seats that get pulled will be installed in the 752s. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 16):
This is the cabin of every AA 757 flight I have been on (and there have been lots that I have flown on the past 3 years - I have Gold status on AA). Maybe the older cabin is only on a few of the AA 757s? Anybody have an actual count on new vs old?

Are the interior differences based on whether the 757 is from TWA or AA?

There are at least 17 former TWA 757s that are operated by AA. AA's total current fleet of active 757s is 142. Also, American has some recently built 757s as they were taking delivery of newly built 752s as recently as 2002. Not all of their 757s are old, but at least half of them are over 10 years old and have not been refurbished.

[Edited 2006-01-15 22:33:20]


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User currently offlineDTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

My family and I flew on AA's MD-88 from ORD to MCO and back and it looking like they had completely redone the inside of the plane. The seats where all Blue leather and had an adjustable head rest. Over head bins looked new... So our planes were nice and new.....

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Here's what I never understood. In the late 90s, AA completely redid the cabins on the MD-80 and 767 fleets, installing new wall coverings, carpeting, and seats.

I understand why the Fokkers didn't get the makeover. They were flying shorter routes, and there was even speculation back then that the fleet wasn't going to be flying for 20+ years with AA.

But I don't understand why the 757 fleet didn't get new cabins. At that time, the 757s were flying a lot of long-haul routes, including many that carry a lot of business traffic, like BOS-SFO and ORD-LAX.

Even though it appears that the 757s are getting cabin makeovers, the seats are merely being recovered. The coach seats don't have the adjustable headrests. The first-class seats are better than the MD-80 seats that were taken out in the late 90s, but they're not as comfortable as the current MD-80 seats.

I know that the 757s fly a lot of leisure routes, such as ORD and DFW to the ski resorts in the Rockies. But since they are flying trans-Atlantic routes, they ought to get seats that are suited for overnight travel. I could never sleep in a coach seat, because I would get a crick in my neck. The new MD-80 coach seats with the adjustable headrests solved that problem.


User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 2294 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Ok... I am here to (hopefully) clear things up...

The 757s were to have undergone refurbishment sometime beginning in 2002. The MD-80s were done, the 767s were done, then the company was working on the F100. At the time of 9/11 15 conversion kits were bought for the F100. There were F100's flying around with new interiors. Then 9/11 hit and the company could no longer afford to buy the remaining 60 kits for the F100 and never started developing a new interior for the 757. The company had not yet started working on a design for the new 757 seats and found it cost prohibitive to move forward with that endeavor.

Last year or 2004 it became too costly for the manufacturer of the old "tribar" (light blue) seat covers to continue making the old seat cover, so the company switched the A300 and 757 to the new seat cover. I am pretty sure all A300s have the new seat COVER and most of the 757s do, too. I've been on quite a few 757s lately and only one had the old covers.

There are 20 757s that are new, delivered in 2000 (or 2001) that have the newer patterns on the sidewalls and bulkheads. They still have the old seats but with the new dark blue covers. Alll AA 757s (except TWA) and MD-80s (including TWA) have expanded overhead bins which resulted in new doors, giving the bins a fresh, new look. In addition, there are eight A300s with the "new" interior featured in the jetphoto above. Those are the former three-class A300s. The seats aren't new, they are just recovered with the new seat covers. On the other hand, the first class seats on these planes are new.

There has been no word from the company on upgrading the interiors on these aircraft any further. And I am pretty sure nothing is in the works. With the upcoming j-class upgrade on the 767s and 777s, the company is certainly dedicating its time and money to this project. Other than the new seat covers on the 757s and A300s, the current interiors on these aircraft are likely what they'll retire from AA with. Some aircraft, during C-checks, might get new sidewalls (and in fact all 757s and MD-80s are getting new bulkheads that are laminate, not carpet) but I doubt we'll see any major changes to these fleets in the future.

The only exception, I believe, is the 20 757s that are being fitted with winglets. If AA goes ahead with its plan to fly these planes transatlantic and to deep South America, the first class cabin is likely to get 12 j-class seats and coach might see some changes. But the jury is still out on that one.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 20):
If AA goes ahead with its plan to fly these planes transatlantic and to deep South America, the first class cabin is likely to get 12 j-class seats and coach might see some changes. But the jury is still out on that one.

Only 12 business class seats? Continental fits 16 BusinessFirst seats in their 757s. I would have thought that 12 seats would be way too few for transatlantic flights. Even if they are flying to low yielding destinations like MAN, I would have thought that they could fill more than 12 business class seats. You can have almost 70 inch pitch if you only put 3 rows of seats in the front section of a 757.



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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2357 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Quoting Djmatthews (Reply 4):
The worst two flights in my life were on AAs 757s. From DFW-MCO and MCO-DFW respectivly. These are horrible planes. AA really needs to get its act together.

I guess the ex. TWA planes must be in better shape than the other 757's of AA because I was on two of the ex. TWA ones between DFW-LAS and LAS-DFW and they were great... clean, seats a little worn but that doesn't really bother me. Over all a good experience...



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 20):
Ok... I am here to (hopefully) clear things up...

Thanks qqflyboy for clearing up that, hopefully when I go to Peru, I'll be lucky and be on some of the refurbed planes, so to speak.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 21):
Only 12 business class seats? Continental fits 16 BusinessFirst seats in their 757s. I would have thought that 12 seats would be way too few for transatlantic flights. Even if they are flying to low yielding destinations like MAN, I would have thought that they could fill more than 12 business class seats. You can have almost 70 inch pitch if you only put 3 rows of seats in the front section of a 757.

Actually, United manages that on thier PS 757's, although I think that they put in a galley and a few closets behind the third row and in front of door 2. As far as filling seats, I have no idea, but if it doesn't affect the pitch etc, I don't know what airline would be stupid enough not to put in a 4th row of C seats if they had the option, thereby increasing the number of seats by 25%.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 20):
With the upcoming j-class upgrade on the 767s and 777s, the company is certainly dedicating its time and money to this project.

Which is why I am no longer flying AA. I got so sick of the 757s domestically and their horrible seating, especially in F. They have way too many to ignore like that.

For my money, CO (on all jets) and DL (on most) offer nicer interiors and at least equal service all the time. Some of the DL jets are horrible (767s LGA-ATL) but the bulk are still far better than much of the AA fleet. Even the new MD80 interiors aren't that great, though they are better than the old. But even with the new interior, you are still flying in an MD80... yech.



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User currently offlineAAMaddog From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

About a month ago I was down in Missouri visiting my best friend who is temporarily there. I was originally supposed to take the greyhound from St. Louis to Milwaukee but opted to fly home so I booked a ticket with American the day before I left. The plane would be a 757. Unfortunately the flight home was just barely better than being stuck on a greyhound for 15 hours. I was actually excited about flying on a 757 again. The last time I was on one was a few years ago on a flight to Houston. That was Continental (my personal opinion is CO has infinitely better service than AA)...at Any rate the 757 I was on from STL to ORD was DISGUSTING! The seat in front of me was literally falling apart. The seat back tray was falling off its hinges and to keep it from bumping my knee all the time I literally had to leave the tray down. I really used to be fond of American Airlines. As a child we flew AA all the time and I developed loyalty to that airline. As of late though I have been unimpressed with the quality of their product. Next month I'm flying to Providence to visit the same friend and I am not flying American. I booked a ticket with United. United treated me very well in October when I flew down to Houston for my grandma's funeral. They gave the best bereavement fare, and from the moment I checked in at ORD until the moment I returned to ORD they gave excellent service. Sorry if that's a bit long but that's how I feel.

User currently offlineBombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

I actually don't mind the ratty old F seats on the 757. As ugly and outdated as they are, I find them relatively comfortable. They feel softer than the current-generation domestic First seat, I think.

That old coach cabin though--what a nightmare. The combination of those old seat covers with those horribly uncomfortable seats was pretty terrible. New seat covers should help somewhat but I'd imagine those seats would still be awful to sit in for more than a couple hours.

It's a shame because as an aircraft I really love the 757, so to have avoid them when I'm going to be flying economy is kind of sad.


25 Wn700driver : Whats the matter with the MD80s? I love the fact that on AA flights (domestic,) the super 80s actually have a decent amount of leg space. Way better t
26 777STL : There's nothing wrong with the Mad Dogs, most educated/experience people will tell you the Mad Dogs are much more comfortable than the 57's are, at l
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