PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5434 times:
Today (JAN 15th) is the first RG flight to MUC, a 3X weekly service on Sundays, Thursdays and Fridays. Flights will be GRU-MUC twice a week, on Sundays begining from GIG onwards to GRU and MUC.
They also have since DEC15th added 6 new daylight frequencies to MIA and 4 to JFK.
But it's also a sad day because it marks the day RG will suspend their traditional NRT services (although it's technically tomorrow, IIRC).
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5379 times:
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First flight to MUC will be operated by PP-VTI (up to now as Varig is facing serious shortage of aircraft) and as of Sat 14 at 18:30, Varig sold 4F, 10C and 266Y (overbooked on Y)
Also, RG CEO after talking to the New York judge, says that Varig will improve flights from Rio to the United States on june/july.
But they keep facing serious problems with their fleet (another 777-200ER is on ground, PP-VRF), and they keep without 2 772ER, 3 MD11 and 1 763 besides some, 733's and 735's. An agreement with Boeing has been made a couple weeks ago in order to put the M11's back to service on the next 30 days.
Felipe
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Latinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2630 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5259 times:
Sad, sad, sad to see that there will no longer be the proud VARIG flying accross the Pacific from LAX. Can you tell me if it is today that the last VARIG flight arrives into LAX from Japan, or is it till Monday? I just might go to the airport to see it.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5075 times:
Quoting Reyes27 (Reply 4): What will happen to their NRT slots?
Who knows? They wanted NGO anyway to take advantage of the vaccum in the LAX-NGO market.
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3): I think TIJ could have been a good option for stop enroute to NRT.
Maybe decent cargo loads and some SAN passengers could have taken it to NRT or GRU.
If you can't pull from LAX, where STAR partner United has a hub, you can't pull from Tijuana, which has no pull to Japan.
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2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4990 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 7): If you can't pull from LAX, where STAR partner United has a hub, you can't pull from Tijuana, which has no pull to Japan.
The market was supposed to be GRU-NRT, not LAX-NRT, LAX - which itself is an interesting market for GRU - happened to be the stop enroute.
And about TIJ, don't Japanese companies have maquiladoras in the Tijuana area? Is there a cargo traffic between the Mexican side of the border and Japan? I suppose a TIJ - Japan flight would have been in the Mexican Government interest too.
Another question, is RG still flying to LAX?
Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1384 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4970 times:
Sad day for Latin American aviation. Only two airlines had ever ventured to Asia markets. Both were Brazilian, and both were forced to cease operations to that region.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5128 posts, RR: 53 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4931 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1): But they keep facing serious problems with their fleet (another 777-200ER is on ground, PP-VRF), and they keep without 2 772ER, 3 MD11 and 1 763 besides some, 733's and 735's. An agreement with Boeing has been made a couple weeks ago in order to put the M11's back to service on the next 30 days.
Geez!! What a nightmare this is!! What other B777 is STD at the moment? BRB?
I heard Mexicana is willing to get a contract with AWAS for 3rd party mx in MEX for 14 Boeing 737-3/4/5s ex. RG as they are ending their leases and AWAS will take them back, will it happen? This is almost half of RG's B737, they currently have around 35 classic B737s.
Another question... why did RG ground it's EMB145 fleet??? Out from the 16, 11 are STD and 5 more have been taken by Brazil AF and from those STD 5 will be taken by Aerolitoral!!! What will happen to the other 6???
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 3): I think TIJ could have been a good option for stop enroute to NRT.
Not possible, MEX government since 97 has a strong protection policy for mexican carriers. 5th freedom rights are not so easy to obtain.
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 8): And about TIJ, don't Japanese companies have maquiladoras in the Tijuana area?
Nope those are Koreans and Chinese with some business at TIJ-MXL.
Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 8): I suppose a TIJ - Japan flight would have been in the Mexican Government interest too.
It's of interest a TIJ-China flight for the moment and probably a TIJ-Japan could come, but Mexico's government is pushing hard for MX to be the one in charge for the mission!!!
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Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3597 posts, RR: 21 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4826 times:
Maybe someday they will return.
I am sad as well. It was great to see their MD11s. Once they stopped flying here, we stopped seeing MD11s except for recently by Fed-EX and this summer by World. Soon they will return on regular pax service with Finnair.
Varig flights from NGO were always packed. Japan and well Asia lacks South American service. Maybe one of the Mexican carriers will venture into Japan and ofter a connection to South America. Or maybe LAN will venture this way.
I feel sorry for the large Brazillian population in this area. What used to be one stop to home, is now multi-stop, multi-day flights. Sat next a couple and their baby flying, NGO-HKG-ATH-MAD-GRU. But luckily both UA and AA serve Brazil and Japan, but unluckily every Brazillian has to get a transit visa to go home, that is one thing that killed the LAX-Japan service.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4763 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10): I believe ANA will take care of them, they started NRT-LAX with 773. It's one
of the possible RG connections to Japan with Star partners.
There's also the possibility of connecting through Germany, specifically through FRA, where you have LH and NH present. This would be most convenient for everyone immigration wise.
Anyway, I'm sad that RG has axed that route. Had they rerouted through somewhere else, like FRA or MUC, they just might have saved it. But I do have hopes that someday JJ could fill the void RG left at NRT.
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6473 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4722 times:
Apart from the possibility to fly via Germany (which is only a couple of miles longer), wouldn´t it have been a possibility for RG to make a tech´stop in YVR instead of LAX ? That way they would have come around the U.S.-visa problem ...
-HT
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Jamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 895 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4704 times:
Silly question: Can't GRU be served non-stop from NRT...or am I missing something?
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4688 times:
Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 15): Silly question: Can't GRU be served non-stop from NRT...or am I missing something?
No. The distance would be almost 10,000 nm, which is out of the reach of any aircraft RG is currently operating. I checked that with the Great Circle Mapper.
Kiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8435 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4480 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 12): Sat next a couple and their baby flying, NGO-HKG-ATH-MAD-GRU. But luckily both UA and AA serve Brazil and Japan, but unluckily every Brazillian has to get a transit visa to go home, that is one thing that killed the LAX-Japan service.
what airline flies HKG-ATH ???
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Flying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:
Quoting Centrair (Reply 12): I feel sorry for the large Brazillian population in this area. What used to be one stop to home, is now multi-stop, multi-day flights. Sat next a couple and their baby flying, NGO-HKG-ATH-MAD-GRU. But luckily both UA and AA serve Brazil and Japan, but unluckily every Brazillian has to get a transit visa to go home, that is one thing that killed the LAX-Japan service.
Isn't JAL operating NRT-GRU via YVR ?
And indeed, I think that US Immigration rule partly killed the RG Japan operations...
Not actually sure if it was ATH. I heard them talking about their next flight not being MAD but some intermediary. They were on CX.
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 20): I think it is NRT-MEX via YVR and NRT-GRU via JFK for JL ... but of course I could be wrong ... again !
That is right. NRT-JFK-GRU.
But the thing that was killing RG was not loads but U.S. Homeland Security and new Customs and Immigration policies. I believe Brazil is not a Visa Waiver country and as a result all Brazillians have to get a transfer visa for the U.S. That process requires interviews with at a consulate or embassy. Not good for business.
[Edited 2006-01-16 14:39:58]
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3925 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 14): Apart from the possibility to fly via Germany (which is only a couple of miles longer), wouldn´t it have been a possibility for RG to make a tech´stop in YVR instead of LAX ? That way they would have come around the U.S.-visa problem ...
-HT
Would Canada require Brazilians passengers Canadian (transit) visas to fly via YVR to NRT?
Those foreigners which require Canadian visas to get into Canada, need visas to fly JL MEX-YVR-NRT.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 12): Varig flights from NGO were always packed. Japan and well Asia lacks South American service. Maybe one of the Mexican carriers will venture into Japan and ofter a connection to South America. Or maybe LAN will venture this way
BR did fly TPE-LAX-PTY but when CM started PTY-LAX, they dropped the route. I would doubt BR would return to PTY if via U.S./Canada airport, the (transit) visa problems wouldn't make the route profitable.
About LAN, they fly to PPT, but I don't know if they've any interest in extending that flight to NRT (or other major Japanese airport).
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3858 times:
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Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11): Geez!! What a nightmare this is!! What other B777 is STD at the moment? BRB?
PP-VRB and PP-VRF on ground at GIG. VRB due to the lack of one GE engine. VRF needs a new PW engine. Both are ER's. The other 6 772's (2 ER's) are flying.
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11): I heard Mexicana is willing to get a contract with AWAS for 3rd party mx in MEX for 14 Boeing 737-3/4/5s ex. RG as they are ending their leases and AWAS will take them back, will it happen? This is almost half of RG's B737, they currently have around 35 classic B737s.
They have the same problem with M11 fleet. The judge can protect RG during the lease agreements, but when those lease matures, RG need to return the planes to lessors. They are trying to get some 752's and may be some 744's (info given by Mr. Botini, Varigs CEO during a presentation last week in CGH) but nothing confirmed yet.
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11): Another question... why did RG ground it's EMB145 fleet??? Out from the 16, 11 are STD and 5 more have been taken by Brazil AF and from those STD 5 will be taken by Aerolitoral!!! What will happen to the other 6???
Varig return the EMB145 fleet due to the high cost of leasing, same as a bigger 733/735 during 2002/2003, so RG decided in favor of Boeing planes, bigger and could run all routes, bad decision IMO. Two brazilian airlines are looking for EMB145 grounded fleet, one of them should be Rico Linhas Aereas which hubs its operations at MAO.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 12): I feel sorry for the large Brazillian population in this area. What used to be one stop to home, is now multi-stop, multi-day flights.
JAL keep runing GRU-JFK-NRT 3 or 4 times per week. No need to change planes but need to procede to US Aduana at JFK.
Quoting HT (Reply 14): Apart from the possibility to fly via Germany (which is only a couple of miles longer), wouldn´t it have been a possibility for RG to make a tech´stop in YVR instead of LAX ? That way they would have come around the U.S.-visa problem ...
-HT
Could be, but Canada also requires transit visa (although it's easier to get than US transit visa).
Quoting SailorOrion (Reply 17): There's no need to continue flying to NRT for RG, as LH's MUC-NRT and also the MUC-PEK flights by LH and CA have pretty good connections
Yes, and at this time, RG need the aircraft used on LAX-NRT to run other routes like MUC and more service to the United States.
Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 19): And indeed, I think that US Immigration rule partly killed the RG Japan operations
100% agree. It's not so easy to get a visa to the US. Rules are not so clear, and people need to come to São Paulo, Rio, Brasilia or Recife just to try.
Quoting RootsAir (Reply 22): Does RG to MUC mean RG will not go to ZRH but instead will codeshare its flights with LH from ZRH-MUC or ZRH-FRA ?
Yes. Also FRA-MUC is possible with LH.
Felipe
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26 A342: Sure enough, after the flight to MUC had arrived alomst 2 hours late, it has departed on time. I have one question though. After looking on MUC´s web
27 LipeGIG: June 26, 1968 with a B707-320 with 55 passangers from GIG. In more than 37 years of service RG estimated 2.5 million pax in around 18.400 trips. The
28 JAM747: I had a trend on this a few months ago about possible stops between Japan and Brazil. It seems like alot of people travel between the two countries.
29 Ghost77: Interesting!!! What happen to VRB's GE90-90B engine??!! VRB belongs to ILFC, is RG responsible or ILFC for the repairment??? Is RG buying VRF's engin
30 LipeGIG: In fact PP-VRA face an engine shutdown during a GIG-FRA flight on october IIRC. It used PP-VRC engine (at that time under maintenance in FRA) to do a
31 Ghost77: Felipe!! Thank you very much for your time and for giving me a bright and clear description of what's going on at RG and other Brazilian carriers. Oh
32 LTU932: It would be somewhat ironic that RG would get some used 744s, since they phased out the 747-400 completely a few years ago. It would be strange for t
33 Flying Belgian: At my expenses, I have learned that the CDG-AMS-CDG leg was cancelled 60% of the time in 2005... So no wonders RG fought to compete with a carrier li
34 EnviroTO: It would be nice to see RG back in YYZ from GIG and that would allow connections on AC to Asia. Any possibilities of that? They haven't been in YYZ si
35 A342: I´m quite sure that it appeared in the MUC schedule earlier. Generally, in the MUC schedule, regular charter flights are listed (even if only bookab
36 LipeGIG: The market nowadays is different from 90's. At that time RG could get other planes like M11's or just drop some routes like BKK/HKG. Nowadays, they h
37 Persotvik: AY have recently taken an MD11 from RG. What was the RG reg. of this a/c. To become OH-LGG at AY.
38 Hardiwv: Any more specific information? And what about LHR-CPH? It is known that the short leg CDG-AMS has very poor pax loads, but corresponds for more than
39 LipeGIG: I apreciate if you can do this. PP-VQI (ex-Garuda PK-GIK, delivered to RG on Sep, 11 1998) http://www.airliners.net/open.file/866611/L/ Last flight o
40 Timz: So what about that L1049G (?) flight that started around 1958? That was REAL, not VARIG?
41 TGV: You can have a one connection flight using AF GRU-CDG and AF codeshare (operated by JL) on CDG-NGO. But the connection in CDG is not very short (5hou
42 LipeGIG: That's right. In 1957 Real keep 86 Douglas DC-3/C-47, 12 Curtiss C-46 Commando, 6 Convair 340, 6 Convair 440, 3 Douglas DC-4 e 4 Lockheed Super H Con
44 Marambio: Let me correct you, Pedro. Aerolineas Argentinas flew EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD-HKG with 747-200 between June 7th, 1980 and April 1982, when it had to stop bec
45 LTU932: Thanks for the explanation, Felipe. It would be great to see an RG 744 sometime again, if RG confirms it will happen. Still very ironic though. If th
46 UpperDeck79: " target=_blank>http://www.airliners.net/open.file/8...11/L/ Ironically, that aircraft made it's first commercial flight in AY colours today - to NRT!
47 Kiwiandrew: are you sure - I thought that HKG was a separate service from the EZE-RGL-AKL-SYD flight - I don't recall it ever coming through AKL - I was certain
48 LipeGIG: Could be Richie, and i believe it will be easy for RG to get some 727's than the M11. Incredible how M11 is loved by cargo operators. With more plane
49 Marambio: Hey Andrew, Let me quote AR's webpage: http://www.aerolineas.com.ar/ar/inde...ais=ar&idi=en&secc=1&subs=1&tipo=A "1980 | June 7th | The first trans-P
50 Timz: RGL-AKL via South Pole = 10186.7 km RGL-AKL direct = 8384.9 km
51 Marambio: Although AR has been calling its flights to NZ/Australia "trans-polar" for ages, this mere advertisement. It is very unlikely the flight will go over
52 LJ: Last flight to AMS January 28th or earlier as RG keeps on cancelling the CDG-AMS-CDG leg of its flight to AMS. LHR-CPH will remain.
53 Hardiwv: Tks for the info. Is the flight GIG-GRU-CDG continue to operate daily and on this route (before the flight operated POA-GRU-CDG). Very sad to see RG
54 Brasuca: Hey! So long no see.. Thanks for the info... What routes would VARIG use their 747? Any clues?
55 LipeGIG: The two flights to FRA are the in the top of rumors. Both have a strong demand, the World Cup can help to consolidate a bigger plane, and Varig will
56 Brasuca: Ah.. Thanks for the info This however postpones their plan to simplify their fleet, but RG is still struggling to survive - they have no other choice
57 LTU932: I would also go for LHR, if demands require it, to free up more MD-11s and 747s for thinner routes. Slightly off topic: has RG ever painted any 747 i
58 LipeGIG: LHR could be a good choice, but the only detail is that RG probably will use the 744's to Star hubs (to improve the power of connections). LHR and CD
59 LTU932: Thanks, Felipe! Now I have a better picture on how the 747s would look like if they get the current RG colours with the billboard titles on them. Jus
60 LipeGIG: I imagine that. Only to let you know, rumors are becoming strong in Brazil about 4 to 6 744 to RG. Also Varig announce a major plan to do a major sta
61 Hardiwv: Tks for the information, Felipe. The task ahead for VARIG is huge; as of yet, I can only see RG moving backwards. No single step ahead has been taken
62 Brasuca: Holy sh**!!! SIX B744 for VARIG??? The standarization of internal configuration at their aircraft was long overdue. 22F might be overkilling in the w
63 United787: It seems bizarre to me that the US can't figure out how to have a foreign airline make a stop at a US airport without making the people that are in r
64 LipeGIG: Correct, but in 2006 it seems Mr. Botini is trying to do what RG need to do as soon as it can. But there's a lot to do. I agree with you. I imagine a
65 LTU932: It could still lack the range to perform LIM-NRT nonstop, even with heavy weight restrictions à la SQ.
66 Hardiwv: So, anyone with information on how is RG doing to MUC sofar? Now it is also official that RG will upgrade LAX from 4 to 5 weekly as of May/06. Rgs,
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