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User currently offlineZChannel From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 188 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

I have seen several references within this forum to UA using a 767 from BUR to ORD. When was this, what 767 derivative was used, and how did the flight do? Have any other passenger airlines ran anything as large as a 767 into BUR? Thanks in advance for any comments...


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting ZChannel (Thread starter):
I have seen several references within this forum to UA using a 767 from BUR to ORD. When was this, what 767 derivative was used, and how did the flight do? Have any other passenger airlines ran anything as large as a 767 into BUR? Thanks in advance for any comments...

While not a passenger airline, FedEx runs a daily A300 into BUR and I have seen multiple private 767s there. The 767 used on ORD-BUR was a 762A, much like the ones United used on LAX/SFO-JFK up until they retired the types and introduced p.s.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

It was around 1985-86-- I'll check. So plain-vanilla 767-222s were all they had then.

User currently offlineLanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

That's interesting indeed..what type of restrictions whould such an aircraft have at this airport? Which runway did they use? I would think that an A300 would be considered a "bigger" plane in terms of taxi-space and all that?? I guess a pax plane would be more (pax + cargo) to deal with than just cargo?

User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

iirc i flew on a psa tristar back when i was a kid from bur to san....


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting LanPeru (Reply 3):
Which runway did they use?

The only runway you can take of from with any sort of weight at BUR is 15, so unless bad Santa Ana's came in and they had to divert to LAX or ONT, they were going from 15

Quoting LanPeru (Reply 3):
I guess a pax plane would be more (pax + cargo) to deal with than just cargo?

Actually, all cargo planes often carry more weight than PAX planes.



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
While not a passenger airline, FedEx runs a daily A300 into BUR and I have seen multiple private 767s there. The 767 used on ORD-BUR was a 762A, much like the ones United used on LAX/SFO-JFK up until they retired the types and introduced p.s.

UA never ran the 67 into BUR....they had 2x a day lgb-ord.......i used to play the 9 hole course across the street and and hop on the 4pm to ord.....



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 6):
UA never ran the 67 into BUR....they had 2x a day lgb-ord.......i used to play the 9 hole course across the street and and hop on the 4pm to ord.....

Un true. UA most definately used to run a 762 into BUR



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

beg to differ....ua only ran the 737 on the bur-ord route....if u have a link to the ua timetable back in the late 80s early 90s i will forever call you the "king" Smile...i used to work the ord-lgb flts on the 762 and the ord-bur runs on the 733


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 8):
beg to differ....ua only ran the 737 on the bur-ord route....if u have a link to the ua timetable back in the late 80s early 90s i will forever call you the "king" ...i used to work the ord-lgb flts on the 762 and the ord-bur runs on the 733

I am trying to find pictures, but I have spoken to people who flew on the route with the 762



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

N1120A,
like i said....show me a picture or time timetable of a 67 in bur to ord and you will be the king Smile....worked plenty of 733 to bur and 762 to lgb and even dc8s to ont from ord i stopped counting....even the milk runs to lax from ord....ord-sba-lax on the 727-100...ord-ont-psp-lax-ont-ord,,,ord-sna-ont-ord



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

UA ran the B762 for a shortwhile into BUR during the early/mid 80s, a few years after the entry of the 767-200 into service.

At the time UA still had a substantial DC-8 & DC-10 fleet so the 762s which were 2 class ran a bunch of what in todays world might be viewed as odd city pairs, not the transcons at which they ended their careers flying.



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

laxintl,
please post a ua or oag time table that shows a 762 into bur from ord...or den....ual did not fly fly the 67 into bur......have called the former ual mgr(81-90) and he confirmed that ual never flew the 67 into bur from ord or den...i still say that we are confusing lgb for bur......i could be wrong but if your right i need the mega millions numbers Smile



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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

Uadc8contrail,

I have asked the same question on here before and was told that the 762 was parked (I want to say) either on the Signature or FedEx ramp directly across the runway from the UA gates and passengers were bussed to/from the terminal. Whether that's true or not...

True or not, I know I would have loved to have been on those flights! Still scratching my head as to how the boarding area would have held so many people!

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

The biggest plane that operates at BUR is a Fedex A300 that goes to Memphis and a UPS A300. NO 767 operates at BUR. There are no gates and no parking for that big of a Jet. Even the A300 barely fits at BUR. When the FEDEX A300 holds short of 15 for take off the wing tip is about 10 feet away from the perimeter fence.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

I guess the only way to prove UA did indeed briefly provide 762 service to BUR in the early/mid 80s is for some one to come up with an old OAG or timetable (did UA even list equipment in their old timetable format?).

As FLY777UAL mentioned there were parking issues with the 762 at BUR and the aircraft was remotely parked away from the terminal due to wing clearance from the runway.

Also as mentioned UADC8Contrail, BUR did receive large widebodies such as the PSA L-1011 which if memory serves me right did operate on a SFO-BUR-SAN routing for a brief time. In addition other large aircraft of the day like B707s, DC-8s and Convair 880/990s made appearances at BUR.

Over the years BUR has seen multiple other widebodies show up on diversions and charters.

Also Lockheed made regular use of the Burbank airport to provide sales showings / demo flights of its L-1011s during the early years as the company had quite large facilities at the airport (it was hence called the Lockeed Air Terminal in those days) which included the famous "skunk works" for the U-2 and SR-71.



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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1702991

is from 2004...three people say they remember flights...might be worth it to see if they have an OAG? One even says it was twice daily...

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

i am proof, i flew on the 767 from bur-ord on united, and i am the one that posted it. i know the exact date, what a second to count back the years. july 7/8 ish 1986. was on a family trip fourth of july to yosemite, when we got back to l.a., relative had passed away in phl, so we traveled back last minute on united. ua at that time used gates A7/A8, and a bus was used to take pax across the airport to where the fedex A300 parks now. there were two flights, early morning and afternoon departures. i think the flight number was like ua286 or 226, cant remember. when bur lost their 767 service, it was shifted to lgb. i even remember the on board service, beverages were served and audio sold about that time. just over the vegas area a hot lunch was served while in flight programming began. about an hour out of ord another beverage service. the a/c continued on to dtw i am almost sure of.

on a different note, i have searched and searched, but when i opened the swa station in bur 4/16/90, we used gate A5 which had a jetway at the time. united was still high A gates, but, one day, a 737-300 loading for denver was tagged by a fuel truck and the left engine completely separated from the nacelle. anyway to look that up or find pictures?


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 10):
show me a picture or time timetable of a 67 in bur to ord and you will be the king

The BUR-ORD 767s aren't in the 4/86 OAG but they are (two a day) in the 5/86 UA timetable. They're in the 11/86 OAG (and some in between), then the 12/86 shows them cutting back to one 767 a day eff 14 Dec.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2218237

Offhand I don't know when the 767 got replaced by one or two 733s, but it was soon after that.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 18):
Offhand I don't know when the 767 got replaced by one or two 733s, but it was soon after that.

I think it was in Spring '87. I took a roundtrip to BUR in mid-May '87 (I remember the month because I was going to a wedding where I was the best man) on a UA 733 from ORD, the pilot gave me quick tour of the "new" cockpit before I deplaned. The previous summer (not sure of the month) I had taken a roundtrip to BUR from ORD on a UA 762.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Thanks Flyboy and Leelaw for your personal recollections, and Timz for the OAG verification.

I think we can close this case for those non believers of UAs B767 service at BUR!

With all these discussions in regards to Burbank, got me think of how at one time Burbank was the primary airport in the Western US and the end point of historic initial transcon flying for carriers such as TWA. Before the development of LAX (known as Mines Field), Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region. LAX did really see significant growth and shift in traffic until the 1950s.



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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

other question though, anybody have any info on that B737 getting bumped and the engine gettin knocked off, had to have been apr/may/jun 1990

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region. LAX did really see significant growth and shift in traffic until the 1950s.

I formerly had the same notion. However, someone in another thread made a convincing argument that most of the traffic and all trans-con shifted to LAX in 1946/47.

[Edited 2006-01-17 00:09:53]

User currently offlineZChannel From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
With all these discussions in regards to Burbank, got me think of how at one time Burbank was the primary airport in the Western US and the end point of historic initial transcon flying for carriers such as TWA. Before the development of LAX (known as Mines Field), Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region. LAX did really see significant growth and shift in traffic until the 1950s.

That's pretty interesting. I had no idea my home airport had such a rich history...



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 14):
The biggest plane that operates at BUR is a Fedex A300 that goes to Memphis and a UPS A300. NO 767 operates at BUR. There are no gates and no parking for that big of a Jet. Even the A300 barely fits at BUR. When the FEDEX A300 holds short of 15 for take off the wing tip is about 10 feet away from the perimeter fence.

The AB6 is larger than the 762 and the same size as the 763

Quoting ZChannel (Reply 23):
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
With all these discussions in regards to Burbank, got me think of how at one time Burbank was the primary airport in the Western US and the end point of historic initial transcon flying for carriers such as TWA. Before the development of LAX (known as Mines Field), Burbank was "the" airport serving the Los Angeles region. LAX did really see significant growth and shift in traffic until the 1950s.

That's pretty interesting. I had no idea my home airport had such a rich history...

The big shift actually happened in 1946, but yeah, BUR is definately a historical airport.



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25 Timz : Except for Grand Central. That was AA's airport for most of the 1930s I think-- and maybe longer?
26 AirWillie6475 : I't true that the body is longer than the 762 and same as the 763 but the wing span, which counts at small airports such as BUR, is much bigger than
27 FLY777UAL : I think you might have gotten a few numbers confused... The 767-200: length of 159' 2", wingspan of 156' 1" The 767-300: length of 180' 3", wingspan
28 N1120A : Actually, there is only a 9 foot difference in wing span. You were looking at body length. The wingspan is 147'1" for the A300-600, and it is 156'1"
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