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FI: BA Grapples With 747 Succession  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10219 times:

FI 1/17/06:

Fleet will be partially replaced by ultra-large airliners.

"The reality is not all our 747-400s are going to be replaced by smaller widebodies," Says BA director of planning Robert Boyle. "As there isn't really the option to replace them with same-size aircraft, we'll look at larger ones like the A380 and 747-8," he adds.

"...We'll be getting in to the "zone" to decide on a replacement in the next year or so," he says, ruling out placing an order for both types..."

[Edited 2006-01-16 20:21:30]

73 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10160 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
"...We'll be getting in to the "zone" to decide on a replacement in the next year or so," he says, ruling out placing an order for both types..."

Gahhh... why has modern business succumb to such cheap cliché?  yuck 

They're about to buy billions of dollars worth of aircraft not max-out on the bench press.

Quoting Leelaw (Thread starter):
"As there isn't really the option to replace them with same-size aircraft, we'll look at larger ones like the A380 and 747-8," he adds.

This will be a huge event, the first evaluation of the passenger 747-8 versus the A388.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10124 times:

I don't think he meant "get in the zone".

I think he meant the "zone" as in the appropriate timeframe.

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12050 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10062 times:
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Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 1):
This will be a huge event, the first evaluation of the passenger 747-8 versus the A388.

If this is the first, and it won't happen till "the next year or so", then Boeing's chances of selling any pax 748s this year look slim!  wink 



Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9792 times:

This story is now available online:

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...grapples+with+747+succession+.html


User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9768 times:

And I think the same can be said of any airlines with a substantial fleet of 744s that have not placed an order for the A380 yet. JL, CX, etc all will have to make that evaluation at some point, probably in the next two years (although it's hard seeing a Japanese airline order anything other than Boeing...). It'll be interesting times....

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9602 times:

Interesting that they mentioned the narrowbodies. Could they go for 737NG to replace their 737Classics at LGW?

Pro:

Diversified fleet meaning they can more credibly play both manufacturers against each other for additional orders.

If the are specifically thinking of Gatwick, then 737NG would be easier to introduce since they are already operating 737s there.

Con:

Fleet wide commonality meaning they can move aircraft around more easily as required.

They already have options for A320s so it will be probably be cheaper.


User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9516 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 6):
Interesting that they mentioned the narrowbodies. Could they go for 737NG to replace their 737Classics at LGW?

Pro:

Diversified fleet meaning they can more credibly play both manufacturers against each other for additional orders.

If the are specifically thinking of Gatwick, then 737NG would be easier to introduce since they are already operating 737s there.

Con:

Fleet wide commonality meaning they can move aircraft around more easily as required.

They already have options for A320s so it will be probably be cheaper.

All of the B733/4/5s are being replaced by A320 series. B752 to be replaced by A321.

The big question is whether BA forsee the demand for an aircraft the size of the A380. Although I would love to see otherwise, I think the B744 replacements will be B772LR, B773 and B748. The only thing I can think of that would attract BA to the A380 is the availability of Rolls Royce powerplants and in this day and age of cut-throat competitiveness I fear this won't be much of an issue.

Stranger things have happened though and with the right discounts and the top brass at BA not wanting to lose face at home to Virgin, we may see the A380 in Speedbird colours at some point.



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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9449 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):

I think he meant the "zone" as in the appropriate timeframe.

Their "9 month review" of their future fleet requirement is almost up, so there maybe some orders this year, sooner than thought.

Pension issues aside, and compared to a lot of other airlines, their balance sheet doesn't look too bad. Additionally, any orders they place now won't be delivered for a few years yet, well after the move into T5.

Is the RR factor a "big issue" with BA? A ton of folk here think it is. If GE only have a moratorium of 2 years exclusivity, then a RR powered 747-8 is a possibility, no?


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9372 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 8):
If GE only have a moratorium of 2 years exclusivity, then a RR powered 747-8 is a possibility, no?

GE have total exclusivity on the 747-8. You're thinking of the A350, where RR can start selling after two years. But the competitor to that is the 787 which comes with RR out of the box.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12050 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9358 times:
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Quoting Glom (Reply 9):
where RR can start selling after two years

I read somewhere that it was 150 frames. Can't remember where though.



Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7932 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9336 times:

I think BA will end up ordering the 747-8 over the A380-800.

The reason is simple: BA controls a large fraction of the landing slots at LHR and as such is not under pressure to fly the largest planes possible on all international routes. Take for example the LHR-SFO route--BA could easily fly two 747-400's on this route if the demand is there without affecting landing slot allocations.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9325 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 7):
Stranger things have happened though and with the right discounts and the top brass at BA not wanting to lose face at home to Virgin, we may see the A380 in Speedbird colours at some point.

Airbus is fully booked for years with more then 230 orders and options. Discount time is simply over. Recently BA´s Walsh seemed pretty irritated about the prices info he got from Airbus.

Chris Avery, aviation analyst at JP Morgan, said: "Boeing's enthusiasm to have a passenger customer for the 747 Advanced might result in significant discounts for BA." http://www.expat.telegraph.co.uk/mon...l?xml=/money/2005/11/15/cnba15.xml

I can only image how much Boeing would like BA to be the 747-8i launch customer. BA will try anyway how deep Boeing is willing to in terms of price.

In 2006 probably VS, EK, SQ and QF will have huge A380 Business & First Cabin bill boards all over the City.

The A380 will be certified by authorities this year.

Performance uncertainties will be smaller with any additional flight.

Dozens of airlines pilots have been at the controls allready.

The pressure for BA is growing not to be the last in line & get blamed for that later on.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9319 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
I read somewhere that it was 150 frames. Can't remember where though.

Why kind of delay does that entail? The two year thing was kind of stupid though because once airlines knew that an RR offering would be available, if they really wanted it, they could easily have waited a little bit. The deal simply allows GE to get first delivery not give it a leg up in orders.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6841 posts, RR: 64
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9275 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 7):
B752 to be replaced by A321.

Hardly on a one-for-one basis. And the small A321 fleet was ordered long after the 757s started to leave.

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 7):
The only thing I can think of that would attract BA to the A380 is the availability of Rolls Royce powerplants

Do you really think that kind of nationalistic sentiment cuts much ice these days? The current CEO is Irish and the previous one was Australian. I hope BA make decisions on cold-blooded commercial criteria rather than some notional sense of nationalistic loyalty. (Their competitors certainly do!)

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
I read somewhere that it [RR's 'right' to sell engines on the A350] was 150 frames. Can't remember where though.

It was widely quoted in FLIGHT and elsewhere but the exact terms remain opaque. Does it mean RR can't sell any till GE have sold 150? Does it mean they can't deliver any? Neither case makes any sense. If GE had sold, say, 140 but Emirates wanted RR on their 50 A350s would Airbus so no?! Reading between the lines, RR seems to have 'bought' part of GE's 150 (or whatever) preferred sales. Being the first engine available, GE have already scooped 100+ sales with Qatar, TAM, US and so on. Look for a straight fight between GE and RR from now on.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 9235 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
Airbus is fully booked for years with more then 230 orders and options. Discount time is simply over. Recently BA´s Walsh seemed pretty irritated about the prices info he got from Airbus.

Chris Avery, aviation analyst at JP Morgan, said: "Boeing's enthusiasm to have a passenger customer for the 747 Advanced might result in significant discounts for BA." http://www.expat.telegraph.co.uk/mon...l?xml=/money/2005/11/15/cnba15.xml

I can only image how much Boeing would like BA to be the 747-8i launch customer. BA will try anyway how deep Boeing is willing to in terms of price.

In 2006 probably VS, EK, SQ and QF will have huge A380 Business & First Cabin bill boards all over the City.

The A380 will be certified by authorities this year.

Performance uncertainties will be smaller with any additional flight.

Dozens of airlines pilots have been at the controls allready.

The pressure for BA is growing not to be the last in line & get blamed for that later on.

You need to learn to separate your fantasy from reality. It is nice how you selectively quoted and misrepresented the article's point entirely. In fact, the CEO of BA said:

"Mr Walsh also ruled out any likely interest in the Airbus A380 superjumbo. "We have no plans to introduce the A380," he said. "I'm pleased we haven't got one ordered. It's a big aircraft and there's a big question mark beside it."

He expressed more interest in the soon-to-be launched Boeing 747 Advanced aircraft, a stretched version of the 747-400, which raises the number of seats from 416 to 450."

He is "pleased" not to have an order...Clearly a sign that an order must be imminent then, right?

Another misrepresentation is that Boeing is somehow desparate to get BA and that Airbus is king of the hill with the A380. While I am sure that Boeing would be very happy to get BA as a launch customer and would give them generous discounts befitting such a blue-chip customer, Airbus has a much greater need to sell A380s because of the $15 billion in R&D that needs amortizing.

I think you overstated the number of A380s by 90 or so.

As far as Airbus commanding top dollar/euro for the A380, the evidence is non-existent. In fact, they are in need of a new order soon.

[Edited 2006-01-17 00:00:29]

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9095 times:

Quoting N79969 (Reply 15):
He is "pleased" not to have an order...Clearly a sign that an order must be imminent then, right?

No, he shows Airbus he doesn´t really need them, like Airbus has been giving sign´s they don´t need BA. We are talking a multi billion poker game here. And both know what´s gonna happen sooner or later.

If one supplier becomes arrogant BA have tea with the other site & make sure it is seen.

If Walsh say he isn´t in a hurry on the A380, Leahy make a few comments a few days later, somewhere, on the shrinking number of A380 slots still open before 2012.

"I think you overstated the number of A380s by 90 or so"

229 orders & options are listed everywhere.

Airbus say they have some more options. "We have 159 firm orders and I have got about 100 options that are blocking delivery slots, most of them over the next five years" John Leahy, Airbus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4433030.stm

[Edited 2006-01-17 00:48:44]

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 16):
No, he shows Airbus he doesn�t really need them, like Airbus has been giving sign�s they don�t need BA. We are talking a multi billion poker game here. And both know what�s gonna happen sooner or later.

If one supplier becomes arrogant BA have tea with the other site & make sure it is seen.

If Walsh say he isn�t in a hurry on the A380, Leahy make a few comments a few days later, somewhere, on the shrinking number of A380 slots still open before 2012.

Ok...you keep thinking that...enjoy. If BA eventually buys the A380, they will get a sweet deal...if they the 747-8 they will get a sweet deal.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9029 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 7):
B752 to be replaced by A321.

They have kept the 13 they have specifically for heavy lift IIRC. I don't see them going for a while



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8901 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 14):
Do you really think that kind of nationalistic sentiment cuts much ice these days?

It may have more to do with the fact they are a majority RR operator.


User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1271 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8694 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 7):
The big question is whether BA forsee the demand for an aircraft the size of the A380.

BA has between 2-3 747s running out of HKG within an hour. Usually full to the brim. I wouldn't be surprised if they could run 380s to Singapore as well and perhaps also Bangkok. China will not be long away before 380s could also be run there.

Quoting N79969 (Reply 15):
He is "pleased" not to have an order...Clearly a sign that an order must be imminent then, right?

What else would you expect him to say at this point - be an order imminent or not?

Abba


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 7):
The only thing I can think of that would attract BA to the A380 is the availability of Rolls Royce powerplants and in this day and age of cut-throat competitiveness I fear this won't be much of an issue.



Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 8):
Is the RR factor a "big issue" with BA? A ton of folk here think it is. If GE only have a moratorium of 2 years exclusivity, then a RR powered 747-8 is a possibility, no?

I had started a thread last December which basically got no hits or responses (a couple)....this thing could possibly blow the whole "RR" stuff out of the water....basically its a 10 year BA deal with General Electric....

GE Signs $2.3B Deal With British Airways (Jacobin777-Dec. 08)

not only that, a few RR carriers such as CX already have shown that the engine choice isn't completely important on what kind of fleet to purchase....

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 11):
Take for example the LHR-SFO route--BA could easily fly two 747-400's on this route if the demand is there without affecting landing slot allocations.

they already run 2-daily 747-400 flights to SFO... Smile


"The 747 replacement evaluation, which is one of several campaigns that the airline is poised to begin in the near term for short- and long-haul aircraft, will also include the Airbus A340-600 and 777-300/300ER, says Boyle."

this one is going 777's way....GE engines or not...

"Meanwhile, Boyle says the airline is studying the Airbus A350 and Boeing 787 as replacements for its 757/767 fleet, and that an A320 versus 737 competition is on the horizon to replace the ageing fleet of 737 Classics based at London Gatwick."

I think they'll go with the Airbus A319/A320 on this...but the 787 versus A350 will be interesting and I think the 787 will win out on this one...

in the end, I think BA will get a dozen or so A380's....but nothing more than that...I do think they will also get a bunch of 747-8I's....



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

Quoting Abba (Reply 20):
Quoting N79969 (Reply 15):
He is "pleased" not to have an order...Clearly a sign that an order must be imminent then, right?

What else would you expect him to say at this point - be an order imminent or not?

Abba

I would expect something other than near-scathing skepticism of the A380. He kind went out of his way to downplay the prospect of BA A380s. While he did not categorically rule out the A380, he is clearly not sanguine about it at this juncture.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8606 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 16):
"I think you overstated the number of A380s by 90 or so"

229 orders & options are listed everywhere.

Airbus say they have some more options. "We have 159 firm orders and I have got about 100 options that are blocking delivery slots, most of them over the next five years" John Leahy, Airbus

They have 159 orders. You overstated by 70 and not 90. My mistake. The meaning of those options will turn on what happens beginning this December.

While the entry into service of any airplane is a important for the mfr, the A380 is going to be especially important one for Airbus given the 6 month delay and also simply the fact that it is such a high profile project. If that goes well and Singapore Air makes happy sounds, well then be sure to let us all know when those options are exercised as they occur...I am sure you will.


User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

How many 747-8s can land at a slot restricted airport, when compared to the A380-8? My guess would be, since the spacing is double for the A380, then two 747-8s per one A380.

Will the 747-8 be quiet enough to land at noice restricted airports 24 hours a day?

Thanks in advance...


25 N79969 : To be fair, that 10-mile ATC separation is a recommendation that is now in effect and may be reduced to something significantly smaller by EIS.
26 Leelaw : Wasn't Mr. Boyle quoted in the article that BA was "ruling out placing an order for both types?"
27 Shenzhen : No arguement here, but you can bet that this is being brought up each time the 747-8 is being pitched against the A380-8. It would certainly change o
28 Jacobin777 : Leelaw, it doesn't state that anywhere in the article... the article says "The UK carrier has traditionally been lukewarm about ultra-large aircraft,
29 WAH64D : With BA, yes I do. The CEO is just that, a Chief Executive Officer, a frontman backed by a large board of directors CX had no option but to take CFM
30 Jacobin777 : but they could have taken the A346 with RR engines (which they already have in their fleet), yet they chose a twin with GE engines for further growth
31 Leelaw : My bad, it's not a direct quote, but the comment seems to be attibuted to him: "Boyle is not specific about the timing for such an order, saying that
32 N1120A : Yes, though LHR has a curfew anyway LAX is not slot restricted, but the issue of wake turbulance with the A380 is a major one that may cause severe h
33 Post contains images Jacobin777 : lol..it happens to me all the time...
34 LTU932 : And don't forget that CX also has PW engines on the 747-412s they are getting from SQ. I personally don't see BA ordering any A380s, as much as I'd l
35 Ikramerica : Expect 773ER order soon, due to those comments, the time frame, and the fact that the 777 line is filling up and if they want planes in 2009 after T5
36 Keesje : BA made very clear for years that they first want to see a new aircraft being proved in service. Now, the first Boeing 747-8i will fly in 2010. In the
37 Ikramerica : They've seen a 747 before...
38 Shenzhen : How many wide body airplanes from Boeing have BA "not" signed a contract before the airplane was certified. I'm pretty sure they signed for the 747-4
39 Scotron11 : In the article BA is quoted : �We�ll be getting in to the �zone� to decide on a replacement in the next year or so� I think
40 WAH64D : Yes. Exactly the same situation as the A343, B773 was not available with Rolls Royce engines at the time. Cathays B772s have Trents. It would stand t
41 PM : We're only ever going to cause confusion if we aren't accurate. You mean the 773ER but twice you refer to the 773. The latter is, of course, availabl
42 Glom : You're missing the point. We know that CX are a loyal RR customer and would have had Trents on their 773ERs if they could. But the fact that they cou
43 Trex8 : people are forgetting that CX started jet operations with Convair 880s which were GE powered, when they started flying 707s, they were Pratt powered.
44 Abba : Seems that the separation issue is not going to become a real issue according to people posting here who are getting the reports from the testflights
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : correct, and it adds more to the credibility that engines selection isn't that big of a deal as it used to be..especially if the fleet is large enoug
46 Amy : I honest,ly think that the 747-8 is the better choice and I hope BA order them over the A380. I have nothing against the A380 or Airbus, I just can't
47 A319XFW : Just out of interest (pure hypothesis here!), what happens if the comparisons Airbus did with the 747-400 and A380 show that there isn't much differe
48 Ikramerica : even it they have some kind of 1st year probation period for proving, it won't be the 10nm they have now, and it won't effect things too much because
49 WAH64D : Agree with your comments 100%. The 773ER makes the most sense for BA, the aircraft could have been designed with them in mind. Something I think migh
50 VV701 : It does not look as if this will be the issue it seems to be. Last November the Times newspaper reported that the British government would publish a
51 WAH64D : No, I meant what I typed. Cathay were the first customer for the B773 which was not available with RR engines when it was first produced. Hence why C
52 Stargoldlhr : I would beg to differ. Ryanair make no bones about there passengers numbers and how they compare to BA, BA dont really care. BA Seem to be more conce
53 Aircellist : Very interesting post, vv701. Thanks a lot.
54 Abba : How come that you are seeing the American's wallets as being fat these days? The federal government is in deep red. The same holds true for the gener
55 Shenzhen : You sure that you don't have this backwards. GE are the ones that balked at building engines with enough power for the 777-300. Only after they recei
56 VV701 : Really? This would be illegal as it would be in fundemental conflict with both London Stoclk Exchange Regulations and British Company Law. What is yo
57 Atmx2000 : He meant the fat wallets of American consumers. Also, many European governments are deeper in the red than the US government.
58 WAH64D : B773 (not ER) was only initially available with GE90. B773ER is only available with GE90-115B. Cathay were the first customer for the B773 and that i
59 Atmx2000 : There has not been a single GE90 order for the 773: [Edited 2006-01-24 13:01:56]
60 Post contains links Shenzhen : I tried to give you the opportunity to check your information. Cathay took delivery of thier first 777-367, in 1998. This airplane was delivered from
61 Post contains links and images Keesje : I think the majority of BA's B747-400's will not be replaced by A380's. The network / strategy doesn't require that. Only on the major Asian and Trans
62 WAH64D : " target=_blank>http://www.boeing.com/commercial/new....html Oh Dear, It would appear I have this issue "arse about face" so to speak. Thanks for poin
63 STT757 : British carriers can fly from the US to Canada, Mexico, Caribbean etc.. The US is one Country, always has been. The US carriers having access to Lond
64 VV701 : Sorry I obviously did not make myself clear. Of course British airlines (e.g. BA) have fifth freedom rights from the US and have operated fifth freed
65 YYZ4RADD : imagine if BA had the a380-900....for the fun of it they should put up a "mine is bigger than yours" logos to taunt Brason and VS. YYZ4RADD
66 Ikramerica : That is usually the fall back response when presented with a free trade pact that would negatively impact a protected national interest. If you call
67 Art : Isn't there a niche for the A380 where geography dictates, for example, 2 744 flights taking off from the same airport in a short space of time in ord
68 Ken777 : The BA situation is interesting. Boeing would love an order for some 748s, but right now they have a continual revenue stream off of the spare parts t
69 FlyDreamliner : Virgin flies a prestige fleet, BA is far more pragmatic. The A380 is as of yet untested in commercial service. It's in a new class of aircraft, and ho
70 Gemuser : I disagree. BA has, I belive about 36% of LHR slots, but LHR is its home base and it has A LOT of flights from there. Yes there size gives them flexa
71 Abba : And the other way around as well - the EU must also accept any agreement that the UK might reach with the US! You seem to overlook the integration of
72 Atmx2000 : How do you figure 1 A389 will have the same capacity as 2 747-8's? The former would have capacity between 650-700 I believe and two of the latter wou
73 Scotron11 : That is usually the fall back response when presented with a free trade pact that would negatively impact a protected national interest. I think you
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