OttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7917 times:
Maybe someone can help me figure this out. Did TWA ever operate any international cities from STL and if so, which ones? Or did all all of their international flights go out of JFK? A coworker of mine and I have a bet as to if TLV was ever served directly from STL or only from JFK. I do remember seeing 747's take off from STL in 1995, but I figured they were domestic flights to JFK for international operations.
So, how many and what international cities have been served by TW from STL?
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2086 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7868 times:
TWA operated quite a few international cities from STL. During the STL hubs peak it was ZIH, MEX, PVR, CUN, SJU, YYZ, YVR (seasonal), LGW, MBJ, CZM, CDG (seasonal), FRA (planned and announced), MAN (planned), and FCO (planned).
-LGW was operated for the vast majority of the time there was a hub in STL
-CDG struggled to hang on as a seasonal city but almost always was brough back
-FRA was operated for a short period in the early 90's and was planned to restart in '00 but AA cancelled it
-MAN and FCO were planned and were nearing an announcement prior to the AA acquisition
-Most of the Mexican cities were operated most of the time along with the two canadian destinations, many thought that YUL would be in the plans at some point
TLV, to my knowledge has never been served from STL. I believe TW served TLV from JFK as an extension of a Cairo flight.
I did not see that one coming. Their presence in Asia was, well, basically what DL's is now. LOL
Quoting Air1727 (Reply 4): Tel-Aviv was never served non-stop from Saint Louis.
Quoting LambertMan (Reply 3): I believe TW served TLV from JFK as an extension of a Cairo flight.
Well I just won 30 bucks. Thanks guys. BTW, how were their Cairo flights? Considering they were the only CAI carrier from the US, with a quick run of flights by DL before 9/11, was CAI ever really a moneymaker for them, or how else did they make a profit from that route?
No, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. I did a class project with one of the big wigs in the TWA routing/planning department shortly after he was laid off. My mom works with his wife and was able to setup an interview for me for some bs class project I initially didnt want to do (till I found him). He just mumbled but he told me some pretty cool stuff about his job and TW.
The NRT flight as I understood was planned only if TW could get something done with STL customs, I can't remember what it was for sure.
Ftrguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7700 times:
I flew on TW from TLV-STL via JFK in Jun of 1999. It turned out to be the same aircraft on both legs, but a different flight number. The flight had come from JFK and I distinctly remember CAI having its own round-trip from JFK.
Wa727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7666 times:
While it was not nonstop, I flew TW STL-PHL-LHR (no change of plane) in August, 1985, on a 767, 200 or 300 ER. I was lucky enough to be reassigned to Ambassador (business) Class. Then, business class was better than first class today on similiar carriers.
TUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7633 times:
Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 8): Actually i believe the TLV flight was nonstop out of JFK as well as CAI. The CAI flight continued on to RUH. Im going to try to look this up, I have a timetable somewhere from 1997.
Yes the JFK-CAI flight went on to RUH (Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) for sure
This was also around the time a Saudi Prince (Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud) acquired 5% of TWA in stock (2 million shares at the time) in 1997. I actually think TWA started service to RUH in 1995-1997 or right around that time. I must consult my collection of Ambassador mags to be sure. Anyways, JFK-TLV was the most prized route for TWA right until AA axed it for no good reason.
PLEASE ... if ANYONE knows info on the TWA RUH operations I'd love to talk to you, please message me! I've been dying to hear about this rare route. Anyone know if there are any pics out there of TWA jets at RUH?
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Malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7449 times:
Quoting TUNisia (Reply 13): Anyone know if there are any pics out there of TWA jets at RUH?
I could have taken a good picture of TWA back in RUH, but it was unfortunately 23:00 and pitch black and I only had a standard 35mm and it would come out bad. TWA flew to RUH in the middle of the night for a short stopover before returning to CAI, thats why you never see any RUH TWA pics. All I have are my day shots from JED. and its all SV stuff
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SevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1164 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7258 times:
As stated the only non stop STL-Europe routes were CDG and LGW. However the LGW route for some time continued on to FRA on the same aircraft.
The majority of European service were operated via JFK and to a lessor extent BOS, PHL and BWI/IAD.
Somewhat ironically TWA's longest STL route in terms of flying time .was a domestic one - TW001 to HNL. Until the last couple of years this was a B747. It then became a B763 and sometimes even a B752 that had to route through LAX westbound for fuel.
For most of TWA's existence you did not have to be flying internationally from STL to fly widebodies. B747/L1011/B767 were extremely common on flights to BOS, JFK, MIA, LAX, SFO, SAN, PHX, ABQ, LAS, SEA, ORD and MCI amongst others.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10159 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7230 times:
@ Sevenheavy - the 762 FRA/STL was a fact. It may have been a continuation of an LGW service as well, but it did operate N/S FRA/STL and was discontinued due to the financial situation of TWA and the fact that they were loosing money on the route.
747s and TriStars were a common sight in STL indeed, and I might add to your list PHL, one of my flights through STL was a 1011 service SFO/STL/PHL.