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SkyWest's EMB120's Not For Tall Folks  
User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

I always like flying on small planes. I think of it as "real flying". But does it have to be uncomfortable? I got on the Sky West EMB120 in Denver for a short flight to Montrose, CO (to go skiing at Telluride). I am almost 6'3" tall and sitting in those seats is beyond ludicrous. There is no freakin' room. Are most EMB120's that bad?


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User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

I agree. I always try to sit on the left side so it's both an isle and window.

A quick check of seatguru.com shows some comparables (their accuracy may not be 100%), but....
Skywest EMB-120 - 31" pitch, 17" width
A. Eagle Saab 340 - 29/30" pitch, 18" width
USAirways Jetstream - 30" pitch
Horizon DHC-8-200 - 31/32" pitch, 17" width
Northwest Saab - 30" pitch, 16" width (not sure why it shows narrower than Eagle's same plane, but ouch)
Delta ATR-72 - 31" pitch, 17" width

Hopefully trips are no more than 45 minutes or so. On the plus side, you're right, it can be more fun, plus altitude is lower which can give a better view.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5713 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Were you expecting a Biz Class Seat with IFE and almost lie-flat capabilities?  Big grin


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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 1):
USAirways Jetstream - 30" pitch

Not to be picky or anything, but US no longer has the Jetstream.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 634 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

I'm 6'2, and fly in the EMB-120 every day. I'm not so sure what you find completely uncomfortable about it, but it is possible to make it a comfortable trip, especially in row 9 for the legroom. The only real row that I find it a challenge is the first.

However, like has been said, it's no business class.

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 1):

Hopefully trips are no more than 45 minutes or so. On the plus side, you're right, it can be more fun, plus altitude is lower which can give a better view.

We have some that are actually up to 70 minutes. Example is SFO-MFR.


User currently offlineGrbld From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3062 times:

I've flown the EMB120 for a short while (as a pilot) and have flown in a regular pax seat often (I'm 6'3") but don't remember any discomfort, apart from the noise. It's actually the nicest turboprop that I've flown.

I don't know if you remember the Metroliner, with its 4'7" tall cabin and double the noise, but that was the generation of regional props before the Brasilia. It's quite a difference  Smile The smaller and older Jetstreams fit somewhere between the Metro and the Brasilia, in terms of technology.

Grbld


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting Grbld (Reply 5):
I don't know if you remember the Metroliner, with its 4'7" tall cabin and double the noise, but that was the generation of regional props before the Brasilia.

Oh God, I wasn't even 5' tall (now I'm about 6'1"-6'2" and the Metroliner III is still the most uncomfortable aircraft I've ever been in... And for years it was the only aircraft I flew in (lots of SAN-FAT / ONT-FAT type stuff). I don't think I ever have had one bad word to say about the EMB120 or the Saab 340s -- they were the height of luxary until I discovered mainline jets, followed by widebody mainline jets. (I am also skinny as a twig, so that may be part of the reason)



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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 4):
We have some that are actually up to 70 minutes. Example is SFO-MFR.

OUCH! I thought that was an RJ route.


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

I don't think 6'3" is considered an average height.
There will always be pax taller or bigger than the average.
Sorry for you,though.




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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 7):
We have some that are actually up to 70 minutes. Example is SFO-MFR.

OUCH! I thought that was an RJ route.

That would be fun!!!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I am almost 6'3" tall and sitting in those seats is beyond ludicrous.

The seats are not the problem, as shown above. If you want room, try to get a seat in Row 9 BC, that is the one with a lot of extra legroom. Note, the A side of Row 9 does not have the extra room

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
Are most EMB120's that bad?

They are basically all the same.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 8):
I don't think 6'3" is considered an average height.

Average height for males is 5'9", for women it is 5'3.75". I am 5'11" and do have to duck in the Brasilia, but once I am in a seat, they are pretty comfortable, particularly because they have a bit of recline to thme



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User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

I have flown both, AE's S340 (CLL-DFW) and SkyWest's EMB120 (CLL-IAH) and somehow I also found the Embraer to more uncomfortable although the seat pitch seems to be bigger than in the Saabs. I think I flew in the double row, but I was lucky enough to have no neighbour so I could sit sideways.

I am 6'5" by the way.

Regards

Frederik

[Edited 2006-01-17 22:21:55]


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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting Flybynight (Thread starter):
I always like flying on small planes. I think of it as "real flying". But does it have to be uncomfortable? I got on the Sky West EMB120 in Denver for a short flight to Montrose, CO (to go skiing at Telluride). I am almost 6'3" tall and sitting in those seats is beyond ludicrous. There is no freakin' room. Are most EMB120's that bad?

Seats 9 B or C. Problem solved.


User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 2):
Were you expecting a Biz Class Seat with IFE and almost lie-flat capabilities?

Nope, but I'll take this as joke, which I assume you meant.

Yes, I am aware that 9 B or C (which I flew back to Denver actually) has tons of leg room, but that is only because it is an emergency exit row. But you can't always get 9B or 9C. So Boeing 7E7, problem not solved.



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Actually on average SFO-MFR is about a 90 minute flight!!!!!

Approximately 330 miles!


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 14):
Actually on average SFO-MFR is about a 90 minute flight!!!!!

Approximately 330 miles!

It is blocked at 1:30-1:38. Given typical schedule padding and the typical cruise speed of the Brasilia at 583km/h (315 kts), the flight should actually be just a little more than an hour in the air



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6101 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

I had one a few months ago that had an enroute time of around 1:55 due to enroute winds.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16):
I had one a few months ago that had an enroute time of around 1:55 due to enroute winds.

Wow, crazy. What is the normal time, given that they are blocked for 1:30-1:38?



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6101 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Normally, they are early by a few minutes, but with the winds as bad as they were at the time, there was no avoiding it. I believe it was somthing like a 40-50 knot headwind the whole trip.

I had a jet the other day whose ETE was about 40 minutes longer than normal, as the jet stream was there from A to B. There really wasn't any way around it without dropping 10,000 feet and burning 2,500 pounds more fuel, or going 500 miles out of the way just to save a 1 minute and a couple hundred pound of burn. :P Sometimes, you just have to suck it up.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 18):
Sometimes, you just have to suck it up.

Or in this case, United does  Silly



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
It is blocked at 1:30-1:38. Given typical schedule padding and the typical cruise speed of the Brasilia at 583km/h (315 kts), the flight should actually be just a little more than an hour in the air

I have been on that flight on more than one occasion. Lets just say that 90 minutes IS the average FLIGHT TIME. That flight has been almost 2 hours once due to the winds.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 1):
A. Eagle Saab 340 - 29/30" pitch, 18" width

Northwest Saab - 30" pitch, 16" width (not sure why it shows narrower than Eagle's same plane, but ouch)

Because they use a different seat manufacture. Also, as has been mentioned before Mesaba seats have much less padding.



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User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

How old are the EMB120's? What a waste of metal! I think it's time to send them to the scrap yard and replace them with some Dash 8's Q series!

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6101 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

They're no older than the dash 8. Of course, using your logic, why doesn't Northwest trash their DC-9's, Delta their 737's, UPS their DC-8's, etc. They don't because they are workhorses, and they are nowhere near retirement.


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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 996 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Quoting DFORCE1 (Reply 22):
How old are the EMB120's? What a waste of metal! I think it's time to send them to the scrap yard and replace them with some Dash 8's Q series!

Skywest will continue flying the EMB120's until the leases expire in a few years. As for the Dash 8's Skywest would probably rather wait for a replacement for the CRJ100/200 and replace the entire fleet with those.

I hear Bombardier is working on a replacement. Does anyone have more information?



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25 Post contains images SkyHarborsHome : The first time I saw one of the 120's, I thought, "Cool, this will be a neat experience." Well, after experiencing turbulence I thought was not possi
26 Post contains images Flybynight : Strange thing about turbulence is it can be at any altitude, so you can get it worse in a jet higher up. In fact, the most turbulence I had on that f
27 DesertFlyer : I use to fly United Express all the time STS-LAX-PSP on EMB120's the whole way. I was never bothered by them, and was always given a fun ride into PSP
28 SkyHarborsHome : Not a suit but one of my nicer shirts. However, this occurred on CPR-SLC a few months back and I had a short layover for my PHX flight. As I was watc
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