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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Every year that huge movement to Mecca really impresses me but I hardly found any information on exact number of flights carried out in order to transport all the pilgrims. Also, can someone tell me more about fares to Mecca during the Hajj and is it a period when airlines make some extra profit or losses?


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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

I'm based in Bahrain (only a two-hour flight away from Jeddah), and have just come back from the Hajj. Generally there are two possibilities. The most common, and usually the only scenario acceptable to the Saudis, is that you register with an approved Haj agent. This being the case, they normally charter aircraft to operate to/from the Jeddah Hajj terminal, and this is included in the amount you pay for the Hajj (which also includes transport, food, accommodation, medical care, etc for your entire stay in the Kingdom).

Alternatively, you can sometimes arrange your own transport to/from Jeddah on airlines' schedules flights which operate to/from the standard terminal. This is what we did. However, there are NO discounted seats available regardless of when you book. It is either FULL Y, FULL J, or full F - and flights are still packed. We paid the equivallent of US$657 incl taxes each for the 2 hour Gulf Air A340 flight in Business Class. Economy Class was around US$530 I think.

Based on these prices and a rough calculation using their A340 loads, Gulf Air probably grossed around US$150,000 in revenue per return flight.

Hope this helps.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

Thank you for your explanation. Can you tell me more about Hajj Terminal in Jeddah?
Also, did Gulf Air make any additional flights? Interestingly, but the fare you paid seems very high even for Business Class.



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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

The Hajj terminal is a massive facility opposite the main building. It is quite open with tent-like roofs. Even if you come in on a regular scheduled flight as we did, there is a bus which will take you to either terminal depending on the purpose of your visit.

On arrival in the Hajj terminal you are put into waiting rooms. Following this your passport and visa will be scrutinised numerous times by officials within a few metres of one another. They need to be completely assured that you do not provide a risk of overstaying.

GF had several additional flights. In fact, on the day we left Bahrain there was a dedicated Hajj charter leaving just 10 mins earlier. On the return, Kuwait Airways seemed to have about 6 flights within a few hours!

Yes, the price was high considering I travelled all the way to KUL on Business Class last year for only a fraction more!


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

So you land in Jeddah. Then there are busses to Mecca? How long does it take?

User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

If anyone cares to know:
- South African is flying folks back to JNB this week with 4 B744 flights.
- Ethiopian has extra sections to ADD, with a combination of B763/B752s.
- Air Senegal is hauling folks back to Dakar with a B742.

any other interesting ones?


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

Jordan Aviation A310 was used to carry Hajj piligrims fro, Accra


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User currently offlineETAIZ From Italy, joined Jan 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

ETStar,

Do you know by any chance if the newly leased B75s are already operational in ADD and if so were they part of the Hajj extra sections?


User currently offlineJcavinato From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

I am a professor of transportation and logistics. I had heard that someone published a book entitled something like "The Logistics of the Hajj." But, I can't find any reference to it anywhere. I would love to read such a thing, given that this is such a significant event involving millions of people in a short period of time....flights, lodging, food, etc. Has anyone come across this book? If so, please pass along information about it.

Thanks in advance.


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Semsem,expect a circa one hour drive from JED to Mecca.

For instance there were 37 flights from Tunisia to JED and MED and approx.249 flights from Egypt.


User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Hi Aleksandar,

I don't know the numbers for this year, but for 2004:

JED: Aircraft movements - 5,892 ; Pax - 1.76 million
MED: Aircraft movements - 1,208 ; Pax - 379 thousand

As for the Hajj terminal:

It's very different from a regular airport terminal. You have two huge areas (east and west) covered by steel truss and teflon tent awnings. In the design, each is split into 5 units. Each unit has a two storey processing building (immigration customs etc..) at the front with two boarding bridges, a large open waiting area (within it are freestanding buildings such as bathrooms restaurants shops etc..), and coach parking ramps.

However please note it isn't complete: the west apron hasn't been constructed, and only six units are operational (3 east, 3 west). The west units serve remotly parked aircraft for the moment.

There is a project to under tender to construct the west apron, bring online the 4 unused units and rehabilitate the current one on a BOT basis.


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

For the Hajj season, Egyptair is leasing an AB6 from Monarch,other Asian airlines had leased some B767s from UK charters,Nouvelair has flown pilgrims from France,the UK and the ex-Yougoslavia countries,LTU has propably flown German muslims...and in a few words,JED,and MED,are exotic during a month or so !!!

Tunisia-JED,18 flights,and 19 flights to MED.On the way back,you can count 18 flights from MED and 19 from JED. The use of the airport of Medinah was a great relief for the Hajj organization commity.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Thanks guys bigthumbsup 

Quoting HiJazzey (Reply 10):
JED: Aircraft movements - 5,892 ; Pax - 1.76 million
MED: Aircraft movements - 1,208 ; Pax - 379 thousand

Wow, that is impressive  eyepopping  Thanks for that information.

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 11):

Do you know more about Hajj flights from Turkey?

Can someone tell me more about MED airport? It seems that the airport is much smaller.
Also, I've seen that many airlines from the region lease additional planes for the period, but how does Hajj movement affect regular services? It seems to me that all the planes are directed to Saudi Arabia in that period.

Interestingly, I just ran into an interesting old photo of JAT Convair 440 being prepared for Hajj flight back in 1960s with pilgrims boarding the plane.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 1):
I'm based in Bahrain (only a two-hour flight away from Jeddah), and have just come back from the Hajj.

If you got back from Hajj...then I would like to you wish you a "Hajj Mubarak"... Smile



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User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
f you got back from Hajj...then I would like to you wish you a "Hajj Mubarak"...

Same wishes..To all the Hajjes.


Regards
F-OMEA.



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3492 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Aleksandar,concerning Medinah airport it is evident that is smaller !!! During Ramadan,my parents went on a Omra with Saudia and they landed at MED. They have found the airport charming.

Hajj flights from Turkey should be close or similar to those from Egypt. Many Turkish pilgrims choose to travel by road crossing Syria,Jordan then Saudi Arabia.

Nouvelair operated several flights from Serbia and Montenegro AFAIK,Macedonia,Albania...


User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3162 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3950 times:
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As last year, THY has leased three A300 from MNG for Hajj flights. Fly Air and Onur are main providers of Hajj leases to SV (about 14 A300 in total!)

Most of GA's flights routed through AUH, where the Thomson 767s were based. In DXB I saw a white GA 743 and Excel 763 with GA titles.

Most of the extra flights from Dubai were operated by SV 741 and 743. EK had extra flights too.



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User currently offlineTK001 From Turkey, joined May 2004, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Turkish Airlines flies from Adana (ADA), Izmir (ADB), Antalya (AYT), Kayseri (ASR), Dalaman (DLM), Diyarbakir (DIY), Erzurum (ERZ), Ankara (ESB), Isparta (ISE), Istanbul (IST and SAW), Konya (KYA), Nevsehir (NAV), Samsun (SZF), Trabzon (TZX), Van(VAN), and Bursa (YEI) to JED and MED mostly with leased A300's.

User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

TS-IOR, I apologize, but the little flag confused me. I know you're Tunisian, but I was looking at the flag and it looked more Turkish. That why I aksed you about flights from Turkey. Anyway, thanks for the info.

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 15):
concerning Medinah airport it is evident that is smaller

Well, I know very little of the airports in Saudi Arabia, especially the smaller ones, like Medinah. Anyway, according to the data provided by HiJazeey, MED is also quite busy, too.



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User currently offlineRiver747 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting TK001 (Reply 17):
Turkish Airlines flies from Adana (ADA), Izmir (ADB), Antalya (AYT), Kayseri (ASR), Dalaman (DLM), Diyarbakir (DIY), Erzurum (ERZ), Ankara (ESB), Isparta (ISE), Istanbul (IST and SAW), Konya (KYA), Nevsehir (NAV), Samsun (SZF), Trabzon (TZX), Van(VAN), and Bursa (YEI) to JED and MED mostly with leased A300's.

Does THY uses A300's from all those airports? Even Konya, Isparta, Bursa, Van and Samsun?


User currently offlineJambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Pilgrims are returning from KSA to Tanzania using EThiopian.

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

I know Qantas wet leased 2x 747-300 to Garuda for Indonesia-Jeddah flights for Hajj. I imagine demand out of Indonesia must be huge - after all it is the world's largest muslim nation in terms of population.

User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Quoting ETAIZ (Reply 7):
Do you know by any chance if the newly leased B75s are already operational in ADD and if so were they part of the Hajj extra sections?

No idea. Maybe dkny can fill us in on this one.

Quoting Jambo (Reply 20):
Pilgrims are returning from KSA to Tanzania using EThiopian.

Yup, and one cannot find a single seat out of ADD to JRO/DAR over the next few days...


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

According to the link below, some Hajj piligrims from Ghana were delayed by 2 weeks or so by Egypt Air
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=97855



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User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Thank you Jacobin777, FOMEA, and others for your well wishes. It was a truely amazing experience!

25 Post contains links and images ETStar : ETAIZ, here's one of the leased 752s at the ET hangar... apparently registered ET-ALY MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Raimund Stehmann
26 FlyKev : Out of curiosity, what's the service like on these special hajj flights? The same as usual, or is it different, and more tailored towards the Islamic
27 Babybus : That's a very good question. Particularly regarding schedule airlines and the services of charter airlines. Anyone know? I know on Saudia they allow
28 MD90fan : Is there anything from the CIS to Saudia Arabia in the Hajj season?
29 Goldcrest : I have operated several Hajj seasons with various customer airlines, but mainly for Saudia. Service, depending on flight duration, consists of various
30 Post contains links and images PKK : The Hajj terminal can been seen in the background of this photo. Doesn't seem to have changed much since I lived in JED in the late '90. View Large Vi
31 Post contains images HiJazzey : Fly2CHC, Hajj mabrour wa sa3i mashkour Aleksandar, Yes, Medina airport is a lot smaller. A small regional airport in fact. While it has two runways, i
32 Aleksandar : Thank you for the information. I just looked at the Saudia timetable that I have, and Medinah is not even listed. Do they fly there regularly? Also,
33 Post contains links HiJazzey : Aleksandar, MED is one of the main stations in the domestic network (and it has a few scheduled international routes too). You probably didn't see it
34 Post contains images Aleksandar : I found that out now and I feel very embarrased and stupid. Anyway, thanks a lot. How cost effective can it be to have a huge building being used onl
35 MSYYZ : I just came back from Hajj.. Egypt Air had 18 daily flights between Jeddah and Cairo ( all wide bodies : B777,A340 and A330 ) I bought a one way ticke
36 Post contains links ETStar : Looks like Sudan Airways did some of the Hajj lifting from Entebbe, Uganda. The following article describes the return of some participants, with some
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