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Air Deccan To Acquire 112 Planes In 112 Months  
User currently offlineVivek0072 From India, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Where will they keep all the planes ?

http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/jan/17deccan.htm

Air Deccan to take assistance from Ryan Air + JetBlue Airways , also a pact with SpiceJet in place.


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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

Quoting Vivek0072 (Thread starter):
Air Deccan to take assistance from Ryan Air + JetBlue Airways

Interesting. I've never flown either Ryanair or JetBlue (and hope never to have to fly the former) but I was under the impression that they had quite different - one might almost say contradictory - business models. Ryanair really is the cheapest of the cheap (is it true you have to buy toilet paper in the lavs?) whereas JetBlue is trying to deliver a reasonable service at low cost. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but how can both be advising the same airline?


User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
how can both be advising the same airline?

Perhaps Air Deccan is trying to find the middle gound. I know that they DN sells food/drinks (even water) on board. So they might be getting help from Jetblue to try to increase services without dramatically increasing costs.

PG


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

boy...i see a big desi aviation bust coming with all these air carriers coming online so soon....


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

Well, they might want to take the advise and then take the best of both worlds?

Ryanair and JetBlue have many things different, but also many things in common. It's not strange that they are different - they operate in very different environments. There is no Ryanair equivalent in the US and there is no JetBlue equivalent in Europe. Apparantly nobody saw a business opportunity for a FR-type airline in the US and also the other way around. India is still a developing market - they might not be sure yet what's the best for them, and they will find out by talking with 2 parties.

What they have in common? Well, both airlines are considered as 'best in class' in many aspects in business. Both airlines have developed a very strong brand. Both airlines have a very tight cost control program. Both airlines have a very well operating environment.

I think they make a very good choice in hiring both for advise - a copy of any of the models might not work well in India, whereas a combination might work.

By the way, toilet paper is free on Ryanair. And why do you hope to never fly Ryanair? They do serve some good routes and have very attractive prices. Most of the airports they serve are very small - plane-to-car time of 15 minutes, don't expect that at AMS or LHR. Service on board? Well you buy your coffee. And after one hour and a half you're out again. It's not that terrible.

[Edited 2006-01-17 21:01:10]

User currently offlineScarebus03 From Ireland, joined Apr 2005, 303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4625 times:
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Joost,

I was under the impression FR was based on WN in the states and VLG in Spain was following B6's model also from the states,

am I wrong?

Brgds

SB03



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Oh no, you are absolutely not wrong. But there is a difference in 'based on' and 'copied'.

Indeed, Ryanairs business model is based on WN's, just like easyJets, Wizzairs, and virtually any LCC model. Vueling has indeed be inspired by JetBlue, they also have a representative in the board of directors.

However, Ryanair is a different airline from Southwest. Indeed, O'Leary has been inspired by WN's tactics, took from it what he thought he needed for 'his' Ryanair, and developed it further. One of the veyr important things he scrapped was the offering of connections. He also changed apsects of the importance of passenger comefort, adjusted price levels, removed flexible tickets. So indeed, Ryanairs business model is based on that of southwest, or inspired by, but it's not the same. Also, Vuelings business model is based on JetBlue (that is, on it's turn, based again on Southwest - Neeleman, founder of JetBlue even started his career at Southwest), but it is adjuested to the European situation.

A nice view on how easyJets model is based on the Southwest model, but adjusted, is given in the presentation "USB Transport conference 2005" on http://easyjet.com/EN/Investor/investorrelations_presentations.html .

[Edited 2006-01-17 22:03:40]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Anywhere but at Bom & Del  biggrin 
Considering the Expansion due in next two years.Its high time the Infrastructure caught up.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

This is good for DN. At the prices they offer (Rs. 2500 BLR-DEL for april as an example), they should be able to fill a third and a fourth 320 between these city pairs without much pain.


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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 19 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

112 months is a long time, even though it doesn't sound like it. The pact with SpiceJet will be useful in an aircraft-out situation, particularly opn the trunk routes, but with both carriers running at 90% loads, I doubt how many seats will ever be free. On another note, it will be interesting to see if Deccan introduces another type into its fleet soon - maybe an E-Jet? or smaller Airbus'?


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2868 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

With 90 aircrafts due directly from the manufactures [60 320s + 30 ATR 42/72]

plus a couple more from the leasing companies due, they have already covered up 100 months.

Apart from the 5 factory fresh ATR-42s which are the other aircrafts that have been delivered to them directly from the manufacturers


BTW, Is not Kingfisher [domestic ops] modelled around JetBlue???
I think it very much is, however please feel free to comment/criticize my view.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 9):
On another note, it will be interesting to see if Deccan introduces another type into its fleet soon - maybe an E-Jet? or smaller Airbus'

Im surprised the A319 has not been ordered yet.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Quoting Vivek0072 (Thread starter):
Where will they keep all the planes ?

The desert.



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 12):
The desert.

they'll have to tow them to desert, as there won't be pilots available to fly them there. Big grin
cheers!!
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 13):
they'll have to tow them to desert, as there won't be pilots available to fly them there

Considering the Age of Aircraft arriving.The Desert is a long way off.
regds
MEL



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