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Jetblue Adding Transcons To EWR!  
User currently offlineBigdrewfl From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 127 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10059 times:

Hey guys,

Just figured I'd spill the beans before the Press Release does.

Remember the 3 slots B6 got from American at Long Beach?

Guess what they are putting them to use!

B6 is going to add EWR-LGB very soon!

In addition to bringing the E190 into EWR! (Very possible route is EWR-IAD)

The plan calls for B6 to get gate 17 from united. B6 just recently got gate 18 from them. B6 is also looking into adding EWR-STI route. (B6 doesn't really like the STI Flights because of all the baggage but its a very good route to serve because the demand is there)

and again these routes are to be announced very soon so for now consider these a very good rumor!

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User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10035 times:

VEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYY interesting...  Smile

that would be pretty cool. could you imagine what kind of fight CO would put up if we did add EWR-LGB and their EWR-LAX (well Los Angeles in general). do you think they'd pull another AA and add capacity to all of their L.A. markets to fight us on the LGB flights? who knows.

so how many gates do we have in EWR now? i havn't worked any of the EWR flights (since i'm LGB based) but just curious.

also on a side note i read in another thread (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/2553636/) that we moved our gates in IAD from B50 and B48 down to the B20's. and not only that but we have 3 gates apparently. thought that was pretty cool too!

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

Great.. JBU is going to be an even stronger power house on transcons to NY.

I had heard there was somesort of announcement up coming later this week (Thursday if I recall) however I did not want to post as I had no further info. Now it might make more sense.



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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2965 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

Wow! This should definitely be interesting. Did anyone see CO's earnings? They claimed that "B6 has invaded our Newark hub." I seem to disagree - 6 destinations isn't exactly an invasion, but adding LGB, IAD and STI to the grouping won't help their cause much.

I definitely think LGB will be successful as 1.) B6 will be the only airline to fly it, and; 2.) many people now prefer LGB to LAX. I was at the JetBlue terminal at JFK the other day and I still saw tons of Jersey license plates. It seems like B6 really wants them to use EWR instead of JFK...

BTW, when should we expect this announcement?

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Thank God JB is going to LGB now and will of course be lowering fares. They are going to change the way airlines do business on this route and all around the world. The cheaper the fare the better. I always go for the least common denominator. Cheaper is better. Thank God for JB. No more 4 day bus rides for me and my family!!!

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9851 times:

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 4):
Thank God for JB.

Okay, people, it's an airline, not the second coming of Christ...


User currently offlineJerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9826 times:
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Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 5):
Okay, people, it's an airline, not the second coming of Christ...

Apparantly you've never had their Terra Blue Potato Chips  Big grin



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9623 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 5):
Okay, people, it's an airline, not the second coming of Christ...

Exactly.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 4):
The cheaper the fare the better. I always go for the least common denominator. Cheaper is better. Thank God for JB. No more 4 day bus rides for me and my family!!!

Hold on now you just said the EXACT same thing, verbatim, in the Airtran thread. Somebody put way too much sugar in your kool-aid.

If your family took 4-day bus rides to save a few bucks they either need jobs, or to value their personal time better, sorry, but I don't think many people will disagree with that. I bet you all smelled well after that 4-day schlep on Greyhound as well.


User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9479 times:

I'm not a jetblue fan. Flew them once and could care less for the airline. Employees seemed inexperienced and the flight attendants didn't really seem to be to interested in their job. I would gadly pay more to fly a legacy from the east coast to LAX or LGB or anywhere then fly B6, that is the opinion I am entitled to. The only thing, again in my opinioin, that B6 has going for them is their new airbus narrow body planes. Wait a few more years for when those planes get older ( eventually the legacies will take delievery of newer, more comfortable fuel efficient planes) then we'll see how much people are revved up to fly B6

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9428 times:

Quoting Bigdrewfl (Thread starter):
Just figured I'd spill the beans before the Press Release does.

That's usually not a good thing to do, but to each his own.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9365 times:
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I guess OAK is not in the running yet.

User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Do they put something in the water of Jetblue employees or fans? While adding another flight is great, please, sit back and relax a little.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9317 times:

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 4):
all around the world

Hardly. I seriously doubt that QF, SQ, BA, etc. give a crap what B6 does in the US domestic market.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9153 times:

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 12):
Hardly. I seriously doubt that QF, SQ, BA, etc. give a crap what B6 does in the US domestic market.

Exactly. Like I said, the guy said the EXACT same words on a thread about FL in CAK just minutes prior, the only difference was substituting airlines in the drivel.

The other question is where does it take 4-days by bus, CAK or EWR? No way you live "between" them and can choose between them... it's about an 8hr drive. Somehow I think he's just rambling on some koolaid rhetoric to praise LCC's no matter what. I personally have no beef with B6, actually I would look forward to trying them once from EWR if they went somewhere I wanted/had time to go (which ain't Florida), but those comments were waaaaaaay overboard.

BUT... on second thought. Maybe, just maybe, its some really good sarcasm poking fun at what the other LCC worshipers would say about it. If so, I commend the post, lol.

[Edited 2006-01-18 17:48:24]

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9005 times:

B6 would not be "only" competing with CO on the route, but with UA and AA as well. Currently AA has 2x/day on a 757 LAX-EWR, and UA has 2x/day (757/319) LAX-EWR.

My guess is (if B6 is successful on the route) that AA or UA would decide to consolidate LAX transcons to JFK before it would necessarily affect CO.

And I like B6, but in no way does it touch the service that UA offers on its PS planes from LAX-JFK.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8966 times:

Huh, seems you guys don't get toungue in cheek humor, even lame humor.

If EWR-LGB is competing for LAX traffic, then so is LAX-JFK competing for JFK traffic, so add to the list of "competition" on this route.

Nobody is going to consolidate routes off of EWR-LAX. If anything B6 might lose some JFK-LGB traffic with this move.



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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8921 times:

Guess it's time we start breaking out the big guns. We have a handful more 757-300s dues this year as well as about 6 737-800s, and I don't think it will be too big of a surprise to see a capacity dump in the very near future on the LA markets!

User currently offlineLucianflyboy From St. Lucia, joined Jun 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8900 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
If your family took 4-day bus rides to save a few bucks they either need jobs

Dude, that was so NOT called for!


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8858 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
Nobody is going to consolidate routes off of EWR-LAX.

Why not? EWR and JFK are part of the NYC market. AA and UA used to have at least 4/day on the LAX-EWR route, and now they're down to 2/day. It's not a stretch to think that they would consolidate SoCal-NYC traffic to JFK. AA is pulling out of LGB altogether to concentrate on LAX.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8833 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 4):
The cheaper the fare the better. I always go for the least common denominator. Cheaper is better. Thank God for JB. No more 4 day bus rides for me and my family!!!

Hold on now you just said the EXACT same thing, verbatim, in the Airtran thread. Somebody put way too much sugar in your kool-aid.

Methinks he's being more than a little sarcastic, imitating all those who drool everytime JetBlue and AirTran add a new route, and think it's the greatest thing since the invention of the jet engine.  Smile


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 18):
Why not? EWR and JFK are part of the NYC market. AA and UA used to have at least 4/day on the LAX-EWR route, and now they're down to 2/day. It's not a stretch to think that they would consolidate SoCal-NYC traffic to JFK. AA is pulling out of LGB altogether to concentrate on LAX.

it is a stretch to think that aa or ua would stop serving ewr from their large lax stations. if ewr=jfk, why is b6 bothering with ewr again? oh, wait, because ewr?jfk. and unlike lgb, both ewr and jfk can both support transcons on the same airline.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8813 times:

Quoting Lucianflyboy (Reply 17):
Dude, that was so NOT called for!

The average American worker gets 2 weeks of discretionary vacation. 4 days to ride the bus TO the destination, 4 days to ride the bus BACK from the destination, means over HALF the vacation was spent on the bus. Hence, my statement. There are no domestic city pairs where the airfares are so expensive that it causes people to ride buses for 8 days when you think about what 8 days of the average person's salary is. Likewise... he's comparing NYC-Los Angeles Basin fares in THIS thread... the other was CAK which has PIT/CLE/CMH all within 2hr driving distance and LCC's all over... it would be different if he was going from GGW to BGR or something... then MAYBE the airfares would be that much.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
oh, wait, because ewr?jfk. and unlike lgb, both ewr and jfk can both support transcons on the same airline.

Then why have AA and UA been decreasing service on the route?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8684 times:

decreasing frequency does not equal closing a station. further, they were responding to competition on the exact same route from CO, not a "similar" route. I doubt AA will go to 1x daily, or close the station, so 2x daily is where they will stay, unless they move to compete with B6 and add flights...

ewr-lgb does not equal jfk-lax. i grew up in new jersey and live in los angeles, and if you think the ewr-lgb = jfk-lax = ewr-lax = jfk-lgb, you don't get it.

And again, if ewr=jfk, why is B6 bothering with ewr again? Oh, wait, because they see it as it's own market...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineB6FAN From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8435 times:

Have anyone here, hear anything on the B6's MCO-SJU route? maybe MCO-BQN or even MCO-PSE??

I heard some of it last year and this year is sounding even more...

[Edited 2006-01-18 20:02:10]


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25 Atcman : We've heard rumblings about B6 expansion at BUR. Any chance of BUR-EWR? There's also been mantion of IAD, BOS, and FLL. Anyone, anyone?
26 Travelin man : I live in Los Angeles as well, and YES, I "get it". You apparently don't "get" the current state of the airline industry. Just because EWR and JFK ar
27 Tornado82 : I thought that MIGHT be a possibility too....
28 JetBluefan1 : Actually, it does in NYC's case. JFK and EWR can be as much as 1.5 hours from each other, and maybe 45 minutes on a good day with no traffic whatsoev
29 Travelin man : Then I'll repeat my question: why doesn't CO serve JFK-LAX, then?
30 Letsgetwet : When does B6 announce their Q4 and 2005 financial results?
31 Falcon84 : Why serve a route already saturated with competitors? When you're hub-driven as CO is, it makes no sense to run a route that really bring no benefits
32 Travelin man : [quote=Falcon84,reply=31]Why serve a route already saturated with competitors? When you're hub-driven as CO is, it makes no sense to run a route that
33 JetBluefan1 : Actually...my point sort of proved it. JFK and EWR are two different markets. Why would CO serve JFK-LAX? B6 started EWR service and was able to do s
34 Humberside : What are the chances of EWR-BOS? Would FLL-SJU be a possible route as well. Jet Blue seem to be bigger at FLL than MCO
35 ScottB : For the same reason that they don't fly ORD-LGA, even though they have a NYC-area hub at EWR. UA and AA fly LAX-EWR because both have a hub (well, mo
36 Glideslope : We will be in Attends Undergarments by the time the legacies turn around. Until they rid themselves of unions nothing will change.
37 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : I would think they will expand a lot out of BUR. They have 2 Gates in BUR and only operate 4 flights in and 4 flight's out to JFK a day. They could d
38 MAH4546 : jetBlue's problem at FLL, and something that has been leaving them very frustrated, is that they don't have enough gate space as is, and really need
39 Thegooddoctor : Yes, if the airline ever appears as though they might go chapter 7, JetBlue will immediately load all of their employees and fans onto their planes a
40 Jetblueguy2006 : Bigdrewfl- Since you seem to have the lowdown, do you foresee in the future B6 in Michigan, like FNT or GRR? I think they really should, and I know th
41 Flyguy1 : Will JFK-IAD be announced as well?
42 We're Nuts : This is what we call a "bluegasm".
43 CALMSP : who knows................maybe there are some plans for JFK-LAX.............we were discussing the possibility of flying MDW-SFO/LAX when TZ announced
44 FLAIRPORT : I'm there! Is it all 3 slots going to LGB or are 2 others going elsewhere. I forsee JFK-IAD as well as maybe a BUR flight announced around jetBlue's
45 Post contains images PanAm330 : Ever thought about e-mailing that as a name for one of their new 'Buses ?
46 Post contains images MD90fan : I wonder what CO will do if B6 expands bigtime at EWR? Create an LCC subsidary ala CO lite?
47 Post contains images We're Nuts : I'm not sure it would go over too well with the flying Mormon.
48 Hannigan : God I hope so...
49 InTheSky74 : I heard that Jetblue will be starting a BUR-FLL flight this year.... Rob
50 InTheSky74 : Does anyone know when the EWR-LGB flights will start? Rob
51 Dutchjet : JetBlue adding transcons out of EWR is not a big surprise, but I must say that the EWR expansion is going a bit more quickly than most thought.......t
52 FLAIRPORT : I think we'd have to regain our 2nd LGB flight first. Also, I could see 1 or 2 SJU and NAS trips on B6 from FLL as well, even with the gate restricti
53 Post contains images Falcon84 : Won't happen. B6 will not be able to go head-to head with CO on every rought, much as some are having "bluegasms" (I love that phrase) about that sce
54 MD90fan : Would that work?
55 Post contains images JetBluefan1 : Nice. JetBluefan1
56 Post contains links FATFlyer : Officially, the last I saw, LGB said that JetBlue was definitely getting 1 new slot from AA while they decided legally how they had to split the other
57 Post contains images Mir : Amen to that! In seriousness, no, they're not almighty and infallible, but they are very good. -Mir
58 N62NA : I would say UA much more likely would. And they used to fly them with DC-10s! AA doesn't care too much about EWR, from EWR's perspective, however the
59 MAH4546 : In addition, they fly EWR-EGE during the winter, daily.
60 InTheSky74 : Why did Jetblue drop the second FLL-LGB flight? Rob
61 N62NA : Missed that one, though my point was that AA at EWR is almost exclusively hub/focus city oriented. The real AA ops in the NYC area are at LGA and JFK
62 Dutchjet : I think that it was because of slot issues at LGB - the slot at LGB was needed for new service to BOS so the 2nd FLL flight was dropped.
63 Bigdrewfl : haven't heard anything too concrete on those city's but I can tell you that B6 Plans to open 10 new cities this year. And here are the top choices Pi
64 Post contains images Cactus739 : I'm sure if and when jetBlue actually announces these flights, they will say when they start.
65 Icebird757 : Obviously you did not hear that have a deal with Airbus that once a plane is 10 years old we get to trade it in for a new one. That way our A320 flee
66 Ikramerica : see below: thanks scott. you'd think someone like travelin man, who knows so much more about aviation and LAX than stupid old me would know that AA h
67 Tommy767 : Good luck to B6. Just reading this thread made me really depressed. UA and AA have reduced their transcons from EWR even further. AA used to have 3x d
68 Letsgetwet : A non-stop r/t ewr-lax flt. on CO is under $300 . How much lower do people expect these flts go?
69 Tornado82 : Considering the way residual value works, I somehow think B6 would be paying ALOT more than they do for those Crapbuses if they had a 10-year cycle.
70 InTheSky74 : Well, no press release was dropped for LGB-EWR service.... so is it actually going to happen? Rob
71 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : FYI, typically airports pull from a one hour catch basin. Thus, when traffic is bad, EWR and JFK only share a bit of a common market. January 31st. h
72 Richierich : What a bunch of crap. No airline does that and I highly doubt JetBlue does either. Planes are not cheap and it would cost a lot more, in the long run
73 BigOrange : That's what EWR needs. CO are gouging on that route now $600+ round trip during the week.
74 Ramprat74 : We use gates 14(UA), 15(UAX), 16(UA), and 17(UA). I don't see how we can give up 17. We can't operate all of our mainline from 14 and 16.
75 Letsgetwet : In other words this whole thread is based on something that is probably never going to happen.
76 Falcon84 : Gouging? It's a popular market, and obviously peole pay it all the time. If the market bears that price, that's what will be charge.
77 JetBluefan1 : B6 now had 3 gates at EWR and will most likely get the 4th from UA. If not, this thread still has some truth value as B6 can operate around 25 flight
78 Ikramerica : I love how when someone charges what the market will bear, they are "gouging" when another carrier decides to come in and charge LESS than the market
79 Richierich : Interesting list, Bigdrew. Some of the places on your list surprise me yet others have been circulating on airliners awhile as guesses. What is your
80 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Well it is Thursday and when they announce a city it normally happens in the morning, not at like 4pm in the day. I guess either they will do it tomor
81 JetBluefan1 : No one ever gave an exact date. It was simply stated the service will be announced "soon." I would think that the LGB lottery needs to happen first,
82 Tornado82 : Thank you!! However when you're an LCC fanboy, you think anything over about $125 is "gouging," especially when you're only going between about 40 ma
83 JetBluefan1 : Why do people always see JetBlue as *needing* to serve every destination? By going into EWR, B6 is able to put its planes somewhere effectively and i
84 ChiGB1973 : IMO, and it's a popular one, is that CO will drop fares and increase seats to the Los Angeles area. I feel like B6 is doing a good job, at least finan
85 Tornado82 : Which begs the question... why would an LCC with no alliance/interline exchanges with UA, AA, US, et al want anything to do with the disaster area th
86 JetBluefan1 : While I understand your point, I don't think that's the reason. Going into the Chicago market is going to be harder either way - especially as B6 has
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