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Why Should I Close My Window Shutter?  
User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 18433 times:

I have been a regular traveller over the last 10 years and I have noticed a recent trend of being told to push my window shutter down, even on day flights!
When I book my seat I always insist on a window seat, as I love not only to watch take off and landing but also some of the dramatic scenery mid flight.

I recently took a daytime flight from Shanghai to London, which had breathtaking scenery over Siberia but I was unable to see it, as I was told (not asked) to shut my window blind. I said that I was just taking in the scenery but was told to go and look out of the window on the rear exit door, which is about the size of a 50cent piece on an A340-600. Admittedly people were sleeping but the flight departed at 13:30 and arrived at 17:50. Surely it makes sense to stay awake for the flight so that you are able to sleep that night on arrival.

I am aware of light shining on PTV screens but a few window shades open doesn't make too much of a difference.

I wonder if it is a new tactic to shut everyone up and stop the need for any drink/snack/general runs from the crew?

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8554 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 18405 times:
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I don't think it is a new tactic - a lot of airlines have been doing this for a long time ... a nasty new development is that I have read somewhere that the 787 will have electrically polarising windows .. although the blurb I read somewhere ( sorry , can't find it at the moment ) suggested that pax would have control I assume that the crew can override it and 'switch your window off' whether you like it or not


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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 18403 times:

Quoting Skyhigh (Thread starter):
I was unable to see it, as I was told (not asked) to shut my window blind.

No need to comply. There´s no legal base to it.
-HT



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18381 times:

They ask you to close it in respect for your fellow passengers. If you don't want to sleep...don't. But on a long flight, many people prefer to sleep a little, even if it is during the day. Sleeping with the sun in your face isn't always pleasant, therefore they ask you to close the shutters. For take-off and landing, the shutters must be up so in the case of an emergency people are able to see what is going on outside. Unfortunately for us aviation geeks, we are sometimes forced to do so and give up an opportunity to look outside. But for most people flying is a way of getting from point A to point B, so they really care less what is outside.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18379 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 2):

No need to comply. There�s no legal base to it.

If it's a US-based airline, they may just call it "air rage" no matter how calmly you refuse and have you arrested upon landing.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18372 times:

That happened to me on a Sabena JFK-BRU flight. We were cruising near Boston at about 23:00 local. I was admiring the unusually clear view of the stars when an FA shut the blind in my face "because the sun will be coming up in a few hours and it might shine in someone's eyes"  sarcastic . The fact that I was in the last row on the right side of the aircraft and the sun rises in the east seemed too complicated for her but she made it clear there would be no argument. That was fairly typical of my experience with Sabena.

It happened to someone else here on a different airline and they complained afterwards. They got a reply confirming that the FA should have been more flexible.

But during the day, as long as the sun wasn't shining directly into someone's eyes? If people can't handle daylight, maybe they shouldn't go out in the daytime.  Smile


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8554 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18355 times:
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Quoting David L (Reply 5):
That happened to me on a Sabena JFK-BRU flight.

I was told recently by a Belgian colleague ( so please don't flame me ) that SABENA stood for "Such A Bad Experience - Never Again!" - I know that isn't really what it stood for ( although I guess the "Never Again" is certainly valid since it bellied up in 2001 )



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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18328 times:

I hate it when they try to make you close your window blind. They tried it with me on MH - all I do is snuggle up to the window with the blind half open, and put the blanket over my head and the window so that it blocks out any light.

That way nobody gets disturbed, and I can sleep in quiet, but then when I wake I open my eyes to a glorious view from 37,000ft!

It makes it so much easier to sleep with the blanket over your head, I may look like an idiot but at least there are no reading lights or disturbances to wake me that way.

Cheers,
Noel


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8554 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18315 times:
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Quoting Noelg (Reply 7):
It makes it so much easier to sleep with the blanket over your head, I may look like an idiot but at least there are no reading lights or disturbances to wake me that way.

I expect Mrs Noelg to take at least one inflight photo of you like this for your forthcoming trip report  Wink



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User currently offlineHotje From Netherlands, joined Jul 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18288 times:

The asked me too on several flights, most of them KL, but recently also on CX. And off course as a decent traveller I oblige for about 10 minutes.

The CX flight from HKG to AMS was an all nighter (mid winter, leaving at midnight an arriving in AMS b4 the sun comes up, so I really did not see the point in closing it at all. I tried to explain but somehow the FA failed to see the logic of it.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6892 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18263 times:

Quoting Skyhigh (Thread starter):
I was told (not asked) to shut my window

It's happened to me too. I hate it.

Quoting Skyhigh (Thread starter):
I wonder if it is a new tactic to shut everyone up and stop the need for any drink/snack/general runs from the crew?

I've suspected that too...


User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18206 times:

What really pi**es me off is when you get stuck at the back of a line for check in and when you finally reach the desk, there's no window seats left.
Thankfully this normally only happen occasionally and on short haul flights as I pre-reserve my seats long haul.

You board the plane only to find that the person at the window seat has shut their blind, goes to sleep and doesn't look out the window once. This happened to me a while back, I asked if we could swap seats but I was refused, down went the blind and that was it for the next 2 hours!! Grrrrrrr!!


User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1224 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18152 times:

This really frustrates me.

First of all on a day east-west flight people should be awake. If they sleep on the flight they will struggle to sleep when they get to bed at home/hotel. People who compain about "jet lag" only have themselves to blame for sleeping on the flight. Therefore I agree that it is unreasonable for a FA to ask/tell you to close the blind.

On a night flight it is dark hence no need to close the blind either. They say it is for when the sun comes up. But I for one think one of the best sights in the world is watching the sun rise at 37,000 ft. If people took some time to appreciate the beauty of our world then it would be a much better place. Personally I like Ryanair's idea of getting rid of window shades altogether.



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User currently offlineLexer From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18136 times:

We're all flying nuts over here and surely everyone here feels that looking out the window is a natural right, acquired at birth.

But it is true that even one open window illuminates almost the entire cabin, making it harder to sleep or watch a movie for others. I usually take a few peeks during a flight when told to close it, but I do understand airlines trying to keep 'm closed generally..


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8554 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 18124 times:
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Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 12):
First of all on a day east-west flight people should be awake. If they sleep on the flight they will struggle to sleep when they get to bed at home/hotel.

while I agree that it is common sense to stay awake on this sort of flight where possible I don't know if you can really state categorically that they 'should be awake' ... you have no idea how many previous connections they might have made ( a pax on a daylight LHR-JFK may have had a horrendously turbulent overnight flight from SIN or BKK with no sleep ) .. or how far they have come to get to the airport ( maybe they got up at 2:00 in the morning to drive from another city ) if they can sleep good luck to them and the struggle to sleep at the other end is their problem .



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User currently offlineCgnnrw From Germany, joined May 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 18004 times:

What I'm missing here is an answer from a crew member....anyone brave enough to defend this position?

It happend to me as well.

What really pissed me off was the female FAjust told me it had to be shut ...end of debate. So after about 10 minutes I opened it again and sure enough she came flying out of the gallery and gave me the chewing out as if I've just commited a mortal sin. I looked at her said "say the magic word..." She wasn't amused so she got the chief FA and she too warned me not argue or else.....

In the end I "gave in" and kept the damn blind down.



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User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17952 times:

What i forgot to add is that most airlines hand out eye masks, even in economy, so why bother handing them out if we have to shut the shade!!  banghead 

User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17940 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
No need to comply. There´s no legal base to it.

Oh no? Apart from what our friend Zvezda mentioned about US tactics, there simply IS legal basis, because on every flight you are obliged to follow FA orders. Period.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
that SABENA stood for "Such A Bad Experience - Never Again!"

In Holland we like to say "Seks Aan Boord En Niets Anders" (onboard sex and nothing else)... Oops, I'm being abusive I guess!

Generally speaking, it certainly is very nasty, and it's also quite a recent thing. I remember flying transcons on AA as a kid with my dad in the early 90s, and the max they did then was to ask either port or starboard shutters to remain closed, depending on which way you went, and where the sun was resp.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17915 times:
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Quoting HT (Reply 2):
No need to comply. There´s no legal base to it.

Get the right crew, and you might be "disobeying a flight crew member"....

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 16):
What i forgot to add is that most airlines hand out eye masks, even in economy, so why bother handing them out if we have to shut the shade!!

Flown any US airlines lately?  biggrin 



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 17884 times:

Let some flight attendants offer their comments. There is no legal basis, unless there is a gremlin sitting on the pylon pulling it apart and they don't want to panic anybody. You would not be interfering with the cabin crew's duties by having your window shade open. If they do get their knickers in a bunch, simply ask for the final authority on the matter; and that is whoever is in the left seat.

User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17866 times:

Travelled LH business class earlier this month FRA JNB
This is an overnight arriving JNB 1000am
The crew asked all pax in the front cabin to turn down their blinds after dinner
The cabin was in darkness until 0800-dawn is approx 0430 on this route

They explained there were many pax who had connected ex Tokyo.
Strange-most pax did not wear eyeshades.

At least had 2 hours of African bush and magnificent view of Kariba Dam

Cheers!
Tony


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17785 times:

OK, I think we all understand that people don't want the sun in their eyes but most FAs I've encountered are able to employ a third brain cell to decide the merits of each case. I mean, an open blind some 5 or 6 hours before sun-up? Come on!

Quoting HT (Reply 2):
No need to comply. There´s no legal base to it.

As mentioned above, it's not difficult for them to turn it into an air-rage incident, especially that stroppy lot at Sabena.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 6):
"Such A Bad Experience - Never Again!"

How appropriate, I wished I'd worked that out after my first flight with them.  Smile

Quoting EHHO (Reply 17):
"Seks Aan Boord En Niets Anders"

At least that would have made my flights with them almost bearable.  Sad


User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17652 times:

Flew LH from FRA-MIA. All daylight hours. I'd say very few people closed their shades. As far as PTVs go what happens as soon as everyone closes their window shades? About 100 overhead lights go on! What's the difference? Glare is glare. Really unless the sun is low on the horizon and is shining directly into the window it doesn't make any difference at all. I can still see my PTV screen with my window open. Just really depends on the crew that day.
As an airline pilot as well as enthusiast I can say go ahead leave that shade open if you want, that does NOT constitute disobeying a flight crew. It does NOT affect the safety of the pax or aircraft. That is preposterous. If they can't tell the guy next to me to quit farting and stinking up the place then why should they tell me what to do with my window shade?


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8319 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17598 times:

I'm all for shutting the window shades on certain daylight flights. I like looking out the window as much as anyone else but I also understand that most people on the plane may actually be trying to get some rest. Some people may have had to wake up way earlier than me or may be connecting from another long haul flight. Besides, you don't need the whole window shade open in order to see out of it. I find that opening it just a few inches if the Sun is not on my side of the plane, is a good compromise and never had any problems doing it. Other than that it's the FA's responsibility to make everyone as comfortable as possible on the flight and if that means sacrificing a few window seats than be it.

What I do hate is people who buy a window seat and shut the shades down just because they don't like looking outside, while I couldn't get myself a window seat. Now that is rude.


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17598 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 19):
Let some flight attendants offer their comments. There is no legal basis, unless there is a gremlin sitting on the pylon pulling it apart and they don't want to panic anybody. You would not be interfering with the cabin crew's duties by having your window shade open. If they do get their knickers in a bunch, simply ask for the final authority on the matter; and that is whoever is in the left seat.

Yes, there is a legal basis.

You are not complying with a crew members instructions.

You guys that don't close your windows probably bitch when the person in front of you reclines their seat too, don't ya?



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25 Malaysia : Actually the blanket to the window also works very well in night time, cause it blocks out all the reading light reflections and you get a real nice
26 Groobster : There's nothing better than looking out of the window at 36,000ft in the middle of the night. I find it increadibly relaxing.
27 Tbird : This is an interesting trend that really annoys me. It happened to me on an American flight to Alaska in August. The FA's "Told" everyone they need to
28 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : I always feel like a bit of a naughty schoolboy lifting the blind when the rest of the cabin has them down. IME transatlantic dayflights people tend
29 Joshdean : Has anyone had any experience of BA enforcing this?
30 Post contains images Flyingbabydoc : I second that. What I usually do is I tell the FA that I have a severe case of claustrophobia, and the only thing preventing me from having a major b
31 Incitatus : Very typical of the majority of posters in this thread. I really like to watch the scenery. But if somebody is trying to sleep close to me (including
32 Joshdean : Excellent. I shall use that. Thanks!
33 Flyingbabydoc : Anytime. I just wonder if some epidemiologist will notice the sudden increase in the number of claustrophobic patients travelling on window seats! Al
34 DLKAPA : "non-compliance of directives issued by the Cabin Crew is a Federal Offense." - is a phrase you hear often during the safety announcement on U.S. dom
35 Deaphen : Yes i am exprienced BA enforcing this. When i flew BA DEL-LHR, the flight takes off at about 2 am and reaches when the sun is up, and even thought it
36 Miamiair : So if I am picking my nose and an FA tells me to stop, I am not complying with orders? Give me a break. There is no reg that says the shades have to
37 SU : This is really a problem when it's happening in first or business class. I am one of those passengers that like to enjoy every minute of the flight an
38 Post contains images TheSorcerer : I've never been asked to close my blinds. Then again i don't fly during night and i've only been on one long haul flight so far. Would threatening the
39 Hiflyer : Interesting..I have also felt the 'guilt' while enjoying the great views of the US desert southwest during the late afternoon as the sun sinks and the
40 SU : On my flight from FRA to SFO on UA in first class after the meal svs F/A went around and closed all the shutters. I told her she can close all of min
41 Post contains images David L : I've never had such a problem and I fly BA most of the time. I got a great view of the Northern Lights on the way back from Chicago this year. An FA
42 UALDUDE : This always pisses me off when I am sitting in back and they say "because the sun is going to come up", it's not like the sun jumps up into the sky in
43 ChiGB1973 : To be honest, that is one of my favorite parts of flying, looking out the window. If someone wants to sleep so bad, they should have A) asked for a wi
44 Post contains images Flyguy595 : The best time is when you take off early in the morning and its still dark but when you climb about 10,000 the cabin suddenly lights up with sunshine
45 Flying Belgian : My experience/explanation as FA. After the lunch service/duty free, I use to ask to lower the window shade in order to enable the fellow pax to see th
46 David L : That seems perfectly reasonable to me.
47 Post contains images Aer Lingus : It happened to me before. From all of my flights. I remembered I was told by a F/A to close my shutter before take-off during a AF flight from CDG-HKG
48 Post contains images Aloges : IIRC, I read (here) these windows could be "dimmed", i.e. adjusted to various levels of transparency. That way, you'd be able to look outside without
49 Post contains images NonRevKing : Ok, as an ex flight attendant, maybe I can shed some light on this...Hahaha, get it? That's a load of bullshit, and a blanket stereotype. Don't speak
50 Post contains links and images HT : & So, the incident in question apparently was NOT an US-based airline. I don´t recall any US-based airline flying PVG-LON ... And for those A.netter
51 Type-Rated : If we remember correctly, the L-1011 had these polarizing types of windows when it first came out. It wasn't long before those systems were torn out a
52 Post contains images LX23 : I've never had that done to me, but I guess I would try the blanket trick if it came down to it. However, depending on how much of a hard-ass the F/A
53 Incitatus : Wrong. Not everybody can sleep with a mask. Very inconsiderate, especially around people who are mostly travelling for work.
54 Incitatus : Leaving your shutter up while most other shutters are down is as bad as bringing a loud boombox into the cabin. Do you realize your fellow passengers
55 Kevin : Flight attendants do insist on you closing that damn window and going to sleep, cause they will have less work to do. with most of pax being asleep.
56 Post contains images Slashd0t : Technically, the airline owns the plane so they can do as they wish the with window shade. On a side note, I like Westjet because their 737's don't ha
57 Luniew : That kind of incident never happened to me but if it did: I would just say that Im claustrophobic and I will get a panic attack if I have to close the
58 SU : Inconsiderate to whom? I am the same paying business traveler who paid $4000 for a day flight from Europe to US and can not stand to seat in the dark
59 SCEagle : Airlines charge different prices for window vs. aisle vs. middle? Interesting. We all paid for a seat. You selected (or in some cases, the airline se
60 Lairyliam : I left mine open once.... and learned the hard way, I just nodded off and the sun come up over the horizon. that hurt, and I couldn't sleep after that
61 Post contains images Airbazar : Personally I don't see why that is a problem after all it is your job and we paid for the whole flight, not just the hours when the FA's are awake. I
62 Post contains images David L : Come on, expecting people to be shut up in a darkened tube for 8 hours of daylight, because a few might not be able to sleep unless it's pitch black?
63 ZakHH : I would really not accept that it is rude to leave the shutters up. I consider myself to have rather good manners, and I would not feel good knowing m
64 ZakHH : One more question just popped into my mind: how could you actually allow children onboard an aircraft, if open shutters are too much of a disturbance
65 Ikramerica : but, manners are about making OTHERS feel as comfortable as possible. Selfishness is about always thinking of yourself. You are told on that flight t
66 An-225 : I've never had a problem. UA announcement is usually If you're not enjoying the view outside we'd like you to please close the shutter to minimize gla
67 Usflysagain : What about the opposite, The person who INSISTS on a Window seat only to slam shut the window and deny the rest of our viewing pleasure. Jerk, some pe
68 TG990 : Exactly David L, People often take bus trips much longer than long-haul flights and they cannot complain. Last year I took my first international flig
69 FRAspotter : I was reading in an article in "Airways" magazine awhile back about a flight on JL. The flight attendants went around with poles that can shut the win
70 NonRevKing : You're right, you paid for the whole flight, and you're getting it. You did not pay for a personal servant. You are aware that it's REQUIRED that the
71 Post contains images HT : Children in windows seats PLUS window shutters to operate: That usually is a source of noise !   THAT´s what I call a well formulated request/instr
72 SHUPirate1 : Does that mean that if your ORD-LGA flight gets delayed for two hours due to ATC, they should charge you for two flights? Just making sure!
73 TakeOff : I usually leave it half open and never had a complaint from a fellow passenger or a flight attendant except once, on OA. The FA asked me (no, not aske
74 EHHO : Whoa, what's with the attitude man? Good vibrations to you. Have you seen the movie Anger Management? I swear I saw a passenger treated that way on a
75 BBD : I think that a sensible solution to this issue could be for airlines, if they don't already have them, to install outside cameras, either in the nose
76 JMJAirways : hehe!! I certainly do so in cattle class! Best regards
77 TG990 : and indeed a very good thing for an airline to do. No customer likes to be told what to do, and even though it's such a minor thing, it makes me want
78 Schipholjfk : Jeez... whine, whine and whine! Is this a huge problem in your life? Dude... open your shades for few mins and then pull it down or simply get up and
79 Post contains images Visityyj : Debatable, and I doubt any airline is going to prosecute you for 'disobeying' window shade orders. I don't know of any test cases on that single issu
80 Post contains images HT : Visityyj, Tnx for the quotes Good nite. HT
81 Logan22L : It's an airplane, not a dormitory. I paid my fare, I look out my window.
82 NonRevKing : Because that's a load of BS. No one is going to have you arrested for this, and it furthers a stereotype of Americans which is just simply not true.
83 Thunderbird1 : I definitely agree that it's unbelievably frustrating when you can't get a window seat, the person at the window refuses to switch, and they end up ke
84 Singaporegirl : all i'm seeing on the thread is : me, me, me, me, me...
85 FlyMeARiver : I find it personally interesting that you are never asked to close your window when the very important safety briefing is being shown on screen, yet f
86 ZakHH : I would say this is quite natural in a discussion that is mainly based on personal preferences and opinions. Plus, there is only 2 "me"'s in this who
87 EALSYS1 : Screw 'em! I have looked out the window my whole life, about 34 years of flying now. I get a window seat over 90% of the time and unless it's a West-E
88 Post contains images Ukkiwibird : My i respectfully suggesst that airlines get rid of windows ,thus getting pax to travel in a tube. This would make the FA job easier. And for landings
89 Post contains images David L : Huh? Where did that come from? No it doesn't. It means that a few FAs decide on a blanket rule (and I'm not talking about the blanket round the windo
90 Gasman : I agree. That's the only way airlines will rethink their current practice, if enough angry customers take the trouble to formally complain. I was onc
91 NonRevKing : In the states, more often than I'd like to admit. You never know what's gonna set someone off nowadays. But that's why the tell you to close them any
92 Halls120 : So if the FA asks me to stand up, take all my clothes off and jump up and down, and I refuse, I can be cited for violating federal law?
93 Post contains images Incitatus : I've never been in a cabin that is pitch black. There is no such thing. No I don't, and I don't do that in an airplane either. What's your point then
94 Post contains images David L : Perhaps "99%" want them closed or don't care! I seriously doubt that there's a lot of evidence to show that 99% want them closed. On the flights I ma
95 Mir : No, I don't. I may find that it constricts on my space, but I realize that they have every right to do it. I don't have a problem with the F/As askin
96 Incitatus : There is a time and place for everything (and yes, that's college). There is a time to use the window and a time to use the shade, which is there for
97 FlyMeARiver : Just to clear up this idea that everyone must do what a flight attendant says in the USA, here is the Federal Regulation, taken verbatim from the FAA
98 Post contains images APFPilot1985 : Just get a seat up front, the view is better anyway
99 1011 : If you want the window shade down, then why even have windows on planes. Looking out and seeing planes flying by close is fun. If I don't have a windo
100 KJFK31L : There is legal basis for "disobeying a crew members instructions". BUT I would venture to say that this applies to situations that are dangerous and
101 CRGsFuture : I am so happy I always fly with a family member next to me, because if the flight crew get any idea I appeal to them. Another thing I have done is fli
102 PRINAIR : When has keeping the shade open been considering interfering with a crew member's duties. As a former flight attendant I can tell you that there is no
103 Ikramerica : Extreme, silly examples do not prove silly points. Of course you need not comply with someone who tells you to stab yourself in the eye, either. Or p
104 KabAir : Interesting discussion. I can see both sides of the issue during daylight hours I suppose, but I don't see what the big deal is about having the shade
105 CRGsFuture : Kab I believe the argument is that sunlight is a light that is incandescent light, that sunlight's job is to wake you and artificially created light
106 Post contains images DesertFlyer : If they ask me to lower my shade, I say I have a strong fear of flying and looking out the window is the only thing that calms me down. "I feel the ne
107 Post contains images 3DoorsDown : Start taking photos inside the plane with the flash on and see if they let you open your shade. 3DD
108 Post contains images Skyhigh : Wow I certainly started a heated debate. I just want to clear my name by saying that I do think of myself as a considerate passenger. Should the sun b
109 Singaporegirl : ok fine, a few days ago i had an issue with a pax, when he said that his over-head bin belongs to him and only him, some other pax was going to put t
110 COAMiG29 : i was "asked" about a week ago on aa to close my windo shade. when i said no in a respectful way the f/a closed it and walked off. when she returned i
111 Kevin : To Singaporegirl: What would you (as a professional) do in an extreme situation where a business class passenger would tell you "I am not closing my w
112 Post contains images Singaporegirl : honestly i've never had that many problems regarding this issue... usually i have to explain to the pax that most people simply need to rest on our l
113 UK_Dispatcher : This happens on EY flights all the time. I don't like it for the same reasons - I like to take photos and see the scenery during the flight.[Edited 20
114 Arffguy : The simple fact is when you are out in public you don't always get what you want. People will never agree. If you are tired enough, you will sleep. Yo
115 Post contains images Mir : Working on it. It's been my experience that while a reading light will not wake you up, it will make it more difficult to go to sleep. -Mir
116 Crjflyer35 : Totally, I flew AA First Class NRT-ORD, the flight leaves at 7 pm local from Tokyo, so it's dark all the way over Alaska, Canada, up until you reach
117 TG990 : I really see this as a problem as people don't like being told what to do. It's like being a child and being told off by your mother. We pay for a ser
118 Post contains images Noelg : Been there done that - always funny to hear the gasps in the middle of a dark night when you forgot to switch the flash off and take a photo! Wouldn'
119 Post contains images ZakHH : Okay, I stand corrected: I consider myself to have rather good manners for German standards. Better? This rant would hardly qualify you as an expert
120 SU : Good point! All it takes to ask nicely and you'll get it, instead of starting to demand...
121 David L : Don't you think you're twisting things just a bit? Well said, ZAkHH but I fear that if you look back you'll see that you're wasting your breath! Pot,
122 Pualani : I have a solution for all you losers that want their shade open...charter your own aircraft,then you can pretty much do as you want. The majority of p
123 Noelg : Ah so it's true then - keeping the blinds down means less work for FAs! Remind me never to fly with your airline if that's the attitude towards custo
124 Aerosol : Customer Orientation at its highest level!
125 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I'm hoping I dont encounter the window shade problem on my QF flight to AKL and on to MEL. But I probably will.
126 R44flyer : Flew Cathay last week PER - HKG which was a daytime flight with NO timzone change. About 2hrs in (3pm) everyone was told to close their blinds. Insani
127 SU : Yeap, that was always the case and Pualani just proved it again. Why don't F/A give preflight drinks with some sleeping tablets to all the pax and th
128 ZakHH : I won't shed a tear if onboard alcohol consumption was restricted. Drunk pax are a pain for everyone, not only FAs. No need to ban it completely, but
129 Sevenair : I dont think it is fair to close a window so that people can sleep; if that person wants to sleep, then they should don a sleeping mask included in th
130 IAirAllie : No one has ever been upset with me for requesting they shut their shades so the others can sleep and watch the movie. Of course if they really want to
131 Post contains images David L : Because some shades were open? Get real! Ditto, except those with the attitude above. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. This whole debat
132 Post contains images KabAir : Great way to establish credibility there slugger.... Well, I've got an idea for you "losers" who want the shades down. Charter YOUR own aircraft, the
133 Post contains images David L : No, shutting oneself up in the dark during the day and not being able to sleep unless it's dark is the sign of a real winner! Perhaps teddy bears cou
134 Ariis : Hi there, this reminds me of old Aeroflot Il-62's window shades. There were (are?) two shades at each window: one was sort of dark smoked glass (but p
135 Post contains images Aloha717200 : I think if I'm asked to lower my shade I'll tell the FA "I don't mean to be unreasonable, but this is my first international flight, I'd like to have
136 Post contains images CaptainTim : i personally have NEVER listened to the FAs.. they ask me i smile and open it back up agian.. UNLESS the whole cabin is dark and outisde is gleaming l
137 KJFK31L : Exactly-- be considerate without too much self-deprecation. Matt
138 DJ738 : HA! And Air New Zealand's slogan was "Being There is Everything" Makes you wonder....!
139 Aerorobnz : Anyone who flies with their blind down isn't very smart because if you arrive at the other end without gradual body adjustment to the outside world yo
140 Ncfc99 : This sort of thing strikes me as being daft. Are we going to be told to be quiet so fellow passengers can sleep. If somebody wants to sleep, let them
141 Trident3 : I seem to remember a similar thing on the Trident. it also had 2 pieces one pulled up, the other down and they met in the middle. There was no solid
142 Lp0815 : Are we heating the cold war up there or what is wrong with you? Back your statement up or admit that it was just childish crap what you wrote. Actual
143 PureKiwi : The way i see it is that the only passengers who will be affected are the ones who are within two seats of you front, back and your side. If these pas
144 Matt72033 : cos u were bloody well told to! why do people have such a big problem! its like you think you have the right to do as you please! grow up an get on w
145 Carpethead : JL & NH have exactly this feacture on int'l aircraft. One camera looking down and one forward. I have never had a problem with this issue. Though I d
146 Amirs : Flight Attendant usally look at all the pax as a whole. They need to make decision that will be in the best interest of all the pax in a specific regi
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