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EK Double Daily To Zurich  
User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 380 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Emirates has now loaded it's schedule in Amadeus Reservation System for Winter 2006. Is there sufficient demand from/to Switzerland? Maybe testing ground for an eventual A380 operation?? What are your thoughts?

** EMIRATES - TN ** ZRH ZURICH.CH
1 EK 087 D DXB 1 ZRH B 0845 1215 0 29OCT06 24MAR07 345 6:30
2 EK 085 D DXB 1 ZRH B 1615 1945 0 29OCT06 24MAR07 332 6:30


** EMIRATES - TN ** ZRH ZURICH.CH
1 EK 087 D DXB 1 ZRH B 0845 1215 0 29OCT06 24MAR07 345 6:30
2 EK 085 D DXB 1 ZRH B 1615 1945 0 29OCT06 24MAR07 332 6:30


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User currently offlineDens From Switzerland, joined Sep 2001, 309 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

Quoting AirMale (Thread starter):
Is there sufficient demand from/to Switzerland?

EK wanted to operate a daily Dubai-Geneva flight but cancelled it and decided instead to double the Zurich route; so I assume there is the demand for 2 flights a day from Switzerland.

I don't know why they cancelled Geneva, maybe because of Etihad?


User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

In my humble opinion, just as much as I would have loved to see EK opening the route to GVA, I believe that a double-daily to ZRH makes more sense in terms of connections to and from Switzerland.

I still hope to see EK in GVA some day soon.

P.S.: I miss Switzerland, especially the French-speaking cantons and hope to be back again next summer.


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

AirMale, it might be a good idea to display both sectors once iso twice the DXB-ZRH sector  Wink


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User currently offlineBirka340 From Denmark, joined Aug 2003, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Does EK offer any interlineprices with other carriers or they only sell tickets with "EK only"?

I have heard EK offers prices in Scandinavia with LH as a feeder carrier but I am not sure.

//B


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

Quoting Birka340 (Reply 4):
Does EK offer any interlineprices with other carriers or they only sell tickets with "EK only"?

I don't know but I think I read somewhere that they would be doing this with Aer Lingus' new Dublin-Dubai route?

I do not know if operating an A330 alongside an A340-500 to Zurich will be such a good idea. After all wasn't the mian reason of the 345 going to ZRH, to offer a more competitive first/business class product to all of those business travellers from Switzerland?


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 5):


I do not know if operating an A330 alongside an A340-500 to Zurich will be such a good idea. After all wasn't the mian reason of the 345 going to ZRH, to offer a more competitive first/business class product to all of those business travellers from Switzerland?

EK sends the A345 on the "short" DXB-ZRH route for a reason.....they have a deal with a corporation or a bank that more or less buys out the very elaborate F class cabin on the EK A345 on a daily basis......the accommodation on the EK A345 in F class is over-the-top and the buyer of the seats found it more cost effective than shuttling a biz jet between the two cities on a daily basis. The A345 is required, as its the only EK aircraft type with the ultra luxury F class suites. This is an interesting arrangement, mabye someone knows more about it. The new flight is all about extra lift and meeting demand for more typical biz and economy pax.

As for the EK sending the A380 to Zurich, who knows - EK will have to send them somewhere!! My guess is that ZRH will see increased frequency (say up to 3 or 4 flights per day.....EK wants DXB to work as a world class hub) and some larger aircraft (773ERs for example) before the A380 is considered.


User currently offlineHailstone From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

@Airmale
do you also have the return flight timings ?


User currently offlineEmirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Based on the most recent info i have, there are no plans by Emirates to operate the A380 into ZRH. Capacity growth will be through the deployment of B77Ws on both the daily frequencies over the next 2-3 years. Remember, the A345 luxury F class config. plus flat beds in J class will be refitted across the B77W fleet.

Rgds
Emirates777


User currently offlineDolphinflyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 203 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Keep in mind, too, that EK partner SriLankan used to fly to ZRH, but that service was scrapped following the Tsunami last year. EK's move to double-daily ZRH-DXB makes sense.

Regards,

Dolphinflyer


User currently offlineYukonTrader From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Hi guys,

Quoting AirMale (Thread starter):
Is there sufficient demand from/to Switzerland? Maybe testing ground for an eventual A380 operation?

we've had a similar thread somewhere back in early November when the double daily was announced by EK for the first time, along with their announcement to study the possibility of bringing in the A380 instead of the current A345 by fall 2007 or later. Warming-up a point from back then: What needs to be taken into the equation is the code-sharing aspect, because we speak of an EK/UL codeshare flight here now.

UL has completely stopped its (once) daily A330 to Colombo in spring 2005, in the wake of the Tsunami, and is now codesharing with affiliate Emirates via DXB. Given both the large community of ExPats from SriLanka living in Switzerland, and the slowly recovering leisure traffic to the Indian Ocean, the equation currently stands:

Until 03/2005:
1x EK A343 + 1x UL A332 (freq. reduced after Tsunami 12/2004 already)

From 03/2005 to 09/2006, now incl. UL codeshare
1x EK A345

From 09/2006 (as currently planned), incl UL codeshare
1x EK A345 + 1x EK A332 incl. UL codeshare

Note the difference from the double-daily to where partners EK/UL stood late in 2004 is not that massive... Furthermore, EK is aiming at positioning itself in the market Europe - Indian Subcontinent / Asia / Australia. As for Switzerland as part of that market,

a) incoming leisure traffic from India to Switzerland (thanks to all these Bollywood-films!) is on a massive growth - according to Swiss Tourism by +30% in the last two years - still the boom has not yet resulted in additional non-stop flights. I bet EK will be very eager not to miss a crumb from that cake!

b) South East asian traffic ex Switzerland seems to be recovering from the Tsunami, and EK is traditionally also competing for that market offering attractive fares and DXB stop-over packages to popular destinations in the Far East. On the downside, it faces competition from strong contenders offering non-stop connections.

c) Leisure traffic ex Switzerland to Australia and NZ remains popular - especially with younger travellers and language students - mostly built on packages "via XYZ". EK is a frequent choice, along with TG, SQ and MH.

Provided that there are no political or health-related instabilities, I can imagine that the factors above look promising enough to justify the double-daily service. Similarily I can imagine that loads might justify an A380 some time in the midterm future.

After all, in the late 1960s, local newspapers and media in Switzerland all blasted that the B747 would certainly never see any service to Switzerland because it was way too big and only viable on routes like ORD-LAX (sic transit gloria mundi and errare humanum est) or LHR-JFK. In the heydays of The Whale, we had up to 12 a day serving GVA and ZRH (not much for LHR and LAX folks, I know...), and we're probably just going to lose the last one (SQ) to a B777 in the not-too-far future, after 35 years of seeing them daily.

So the current articles blasting that the A380 would certainly never see any service to Switzerland because it was way too big and only viable on routes like SIN-FRA or LHR-SYD... They all have this familiar ring in my ears, and I'll judge them in 2040 (me hopes)!

Cheers, Lukas


User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 661 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting YukonTrader (Reply 10):
a) incoming leisure traffic from India to Switzerland (thanks to all these Bollywood-films!) is on a massive growth - according to Swiss Tourism by +30% in the last two years - still the boom has not yet resulted in additional non-stop flights.

Well, what about AC´s new daily ZRH-DEL then?? It is not only connecting traffic. Actually there is a good proportion of local traffic on this flight, too.

Otherwise a very good sum-up post.

KA.



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User currently offlineYukonTrader From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Hi Ka

Quoting Ka (Reply 11):
Well, what about AC´s new daily ZRH-DEL then?? It is not only connecting traffic. Actually there is a good proportion of local traffic on this flight, too.

thanks for that correction *slaps his head, hard* - I totally forgot that one when typing. Apologies!

Lukas


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