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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2335 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

I was on a TransAtlantic flight yesterday, which was going very well until I went to recline my seat. It would not go back, so I try this button several times and no luck. Then I turn around and see the lady behind me has her knees up against me seat. So I tell her "Excuse me, could you please lower your legs so I can recline my seat." This women tells me "No! Because I have no space at all! WTF???????

I said to her "I know I am a twice your height, and if the guy in front of me can recline with me having room, I am sure you will have even more room." This women just sat there and said "No!" So I was forced to call the Crew member and see if he could maybe resolve something that I could not do.

He comes over and says to her to please allow him to lower his seat back. She said once again no, and that she has no space! So I just told her "Next time, if you want more space get your own private jet!" And she says to me that I am rude! LOL!  silly  I said "Look who's talking!"

So in the end I just told her that as soon as she goes to the toilet, I would recline my seat.  wink  And I did! And she kicked a couple times until she got tired. Then I switched seats with this other guy who said he did not care to recline, and to have his seat.

I left out the airline, because I did not want to target the airline at all. But these kinds of situations I have heard of many times, but have never encountered such selfishness. Has anyone on here ever encountered something like this?


"The low fares airline."
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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5754 times:
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I hear this often.
If im to recline, i generally ask beforehand, and i do like to have people ask before reclining on me, its courtesy.
I do not like people who recline during meals, and those who refuse to de-recline when I need to get up for the toilet.
Dont like recline? Fly FR
http://www.kneedefender.com/
Hmm, I wonder how many people use these...



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5742 times:

Ah... this has been discussed before - let's just say there were mixed views!  Smile

Whatever one's view, sticking your knees into the back of someone's seat isn't going to help. Some might say she was asking for it.  Smile


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

that's the problem with many aircraft today. they are such cramped spaces that people have to get into altercations 4 a lil space. and imagine if this was an 18 hour flight?

User currently onlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

I agree. this was very rude on that woman's part. One question though, were you travelling NRSA? If so, I don't think you should have gotten into a spat with her.

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2335 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 4):
One question though, were you travelling NRSA? If so, I don't think you should have gotten into a spat with her.

No, I bought my ticket.

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 1):
I do not like people who recline during meals, and those who refuse to de-recline when I need to get up for the toilet.

I always keep my seat up for meals. What if the person is sleeping when you want to go to the toilet?



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5676 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 1):
i generally ask beforehand, and i do like to have people ask before reclining on me,

I agree. I've never had anyone object to me reclining my seat when I asked. If the women behind was asked "do you mind if I put my seat back?", she would have more then likely said no. There’s nothing more aggravating then when someone in front throws back their seat all the way with no kind of warning. Especially if you have drinks or a laptop on your tray.


User currently offline747400F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

It is such a pain when some jerk decides to recline her/his seat whilst you are working on your PC without asking. He/she deserves all the kneeing that is coming his/her way

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2335 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Quoting Junction (Reply 6):
do you mind if I put my seat back?

Oh....No. There was nothing that could be said to her. I was polite at first, then that did not work.



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
Then I switched seats with this other guy who said he did not care to recline, and to have his seat.

On a trans-Atlantic flight ????????????? I can't believe anyone would not recline their seat on such long flights !


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5609 times:

Quoting 747400F (Reply 7):
It is such a pain when some jerk decides to recline her/his seat whilst you are working on your PC without asking. He/she deserves all the kneeing that is coming his/her way

man you must just be a ray of sunshine to fly with. How are they supposed to know that you are working on your pc?


User currently offlineJascmil From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quoting Junction (Reply 6):
There’s nothing more aggravating then when someone in front throws back their seat all the way with no kind of warning. Especially if you have drinks or a laptop on your tray.

I totally agree with this. In economy, a reclined seat in front of me proves prohibitive when using a laptop. It takes so little effort to politely ask the person behind you if it would disturb them to recline your seat...yet it rarely happens. I realize this leads into a broader discussion of perceived liberties and entitlement, but I view it as an act of common courtesy...


User currently offline747400F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 10):
How are they supposed to know that you are working on your pc?

common courtesy... just look behind you before you slam your seat back


User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
Then I switched seats with this other guy who said he did not care to recline, and to have his seat.

I wonder what the person behind him thought about your move  Wink

Quoting 747400F (Reply 7):
It is such a pain when some jerk decides to recline her/his seat whilst you are working on your PC

That's why you use a tablet PC  Wink


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

If the lady was able to block your seat back with her knees so easily, one of the following has to be true :

a) She must have very long legs...

b) You must have been flying on the super cramped, knee crushing LH 744!!!

Let me know.... Big grin


User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Quoting 747400F (Reply 7):
It is such a pain when some jerk decides to recline her/his seat whilst you are working on your PC without asking. He/she deserves all the kneeing that is coming his/her way

Its his/her seat, not yours and they can do as they wish with it. I am 6'3 and I have space when someone leans back. Just stick your legs under their seat and move your bag into the space where your feet were before.

When I move my seat back, I ease it back over a period of about 8 seconds, nice and slow to show courtesy. Even if the person doesn't like it, I am still moving it back.

People who make the 'no space' complaint are full of crap and either need to fly first or economy plus on UA. Its wonderful  Smile



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2335 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 9):
On a trans-Atlantic flight ????????????? I can't believe anyone would not recline their seat on such long flights !

He was a humble man. He himself was stuck in a middle seat, when the Flight Attendant asked me if he could be moved to the aisle in my row. He was content with switching to a window, and was much shorter than I was.

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 13):
I wonder what the person behind him thought about your move

Nothing because there was no one behind the aisle seat.  wink 

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 14):
Let me know

KL 772. She was laying back low, with her feet perched high up, and of course with her seat reclined. The first thing that came out of their mouth when they sat down was how cramped the seats were.



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineJascmil From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 16):
She was laying back low, with her feet perched high up, and of course with her seat reclined.

Wow...that's absurd. "You can't recline, but I can!" You can't even try to be rational with someone like that.


User currently offlineCPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

I must admit that I have used the knee block trick a couple of times myself on intra-European flights. Mostly because I'm sick and tired about people reclining at full speed two seconds after take-off. I usually resist until they ask me (my legs is almost blocking the seat on those 29" anyway), and then off course I allow them to recline their seat. It's funny though, that they almost always seem to give up after 2-3 attempts.

It is very inappropriate behaviour just to recline to the max at full speed. I always ask before I do it, and tell the passenger behind me that if he/she wants me to take it back to upright again, just ask.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5227 times:
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Quoting AA767400 (Reply 16):
She was laying back low, with her feet perched high up, and of course with her seat reclined. The first thing that came out of their mouth when they sat down was how cramped the seats were.

Rude cow! If it was me who was seated in front of her, she would have disembarked with broken knee caps. Also, I would have emptied a bottle of water in her seat when she went to the bathroom - childish, but so difficult to resist... Big grin


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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3006 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 1):
I do not like people who recline during meals, and those who refuse to de-recline when I need to get up for the toilet.

On my recent AF flight, the FAs asked all the passengers to put their seatbacks upright for the meal service. Makes sense to me.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

Quoting UAL777 (Reply 15):
Its his/her seat, not yours and they can do as they wish with it.

You reckon? So, if someone whacked you over the head with it that would be OK? The PTV on the back of it is yours so you can make it as difficult for the person behind to watch as you like? I think you missed out "within reason" and that's where it becomes subjective.  Smile

I had a problem once where the person in front kept throwing his seat back and forth without warning and I happened to pass the person in front of him in the aisle and mentioned it to him. By pure luck we got a demonstration as we were talking. I suggested he try it for himself. He was a big guy and obliged nicely. The guy between us had the audacity to shout out "hey, watch what you're doing". The big guy stood up and apologised in a really smarmy way and the prat just sat there scowling.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11217 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

I usually ask before I recline, but it's I think it should be one of those generally accepted rules that if someone asks, you say yes. Kind of like when your buddy asks you if he can date your ex. He is REQUIRED to ask (according to the Guy Code), and you're REQUIRED to grant permission.


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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Thread starter):
This women tells me "No! Because I have no space at all!

Then she shouldn't be flying in Economy. If she wants more space, she should pay the extra money and get a business class/first class seat.
She got the amount of space she paid for, she shouldn't be b*tching...



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 16):
KL 772. She was laying back low, with her feet perched high up, and of course with her seat reclined.

Ohhh....did you say that she had reclined her own seat??? In that case, she had no right to refuse you.....


25 SkyHigh777 : I was actually just on a flight a few days ago from Sao Paulo to Miami, and when I tried to recline my seat the exact same thing happened. I kept pres
26 DLPMMM : This is why I will not fly coach for more than a 90 minute flight anymore. It's just no fun to fly these days.
27 Ibhayi : Psycho russian whore on a flight in december lhr-zrh. I put it back and she savagely attacks it like a wild animal. Grabbing the chair and yanking it
28 FlyPWM : That's why it is common courtesy to asked before putting your seat back. I, myself would never put my seat back if there is someone occupying it. It
29 Jacobin777 : If a person is being served food or is eating a meal I won't recline...and I'll wait until they finish eating... if a person is using a laptop, I'll
30 Post contains images KJFK31L : Agreed. It seems from your post AA767400 that you were as polite as possible with this woman. While I never recline my seat on ANY flight, that is my
31 UAL777 : within reason was to be assumed.
32 Fly_yhm : Man am I glad this topic came up here. Im flying long haul next month. I guess i will now be asking before I recline the seat.
33 MarshalN : Must be, because the only time I had a pax behind (behind my seat neighbour, actually) was on a LH transatlantic, A330. The woman kept complaining ab
34 AR385 : I paid for that seat. I have every right to recline, period. I do it slowly though but I don't ask. When meals are being served I put the seat back up
35 AvFan4ever : I fly a decent percentage of trips in economy class. If I'm attempting to eat, or I'm using my laptop, it is very much appreciated if the person in fr
36 HBJZA : I really don't see why one should ask behind before reclining? What if I ask politely and the person simply reply politely no because of whatever excu
37 Post contains images PMN : Your 747 only had two engines?
38 Post contains images Jamie757 : Experimental FR aircraft?? Seriously though, if I do feel the need to recline my seat , out of common courtesy I will always ask the person sitting b
39 Post contains images TransIsland : I had that same thing once on an Eastern Airlines flight from Nassau to Orlando (Yes, we were on our way to Disney World). The "lady" behind me kept k
40 Doona : I usually don't recline my seat, since I can never get any sleep on planes anyway, but I don't mind if the person in front of me reclines his seat. I'
41 Post contains images DC10BHX : I can remember coming back from ORD into BHX on AA (762 in coach) when the guy in front of me literally reclined his seat just after wheels up. As he
42 ClassicLover : Never had an issue myself. I don't tend to recline seats when on short trips, as the QF domestic Y seats are comfortable enough (and I'm 5'7" so I don
43 JohnKrist : Guess the other two was GE A woman in front of me reclined her seat at full speed and tipped the wine bottle into my lap, and didn't even apologize.
44 Nrcnyc : One time I was sleeping on an AF 777, and the man behind me tried to force my seat to the upright potion. Obviously I woke up, but before I could say
45 Post contains images BG777300ER : I never recline my seat on TransAtlantic flights because I am always watching the movies on the PTVs. But whats annoying is sometimes when the person
46 BOSGRU : I was flying Virgin from LGW-BOS about 7 years ago and I reclined my seat and behind me was this little girl, she was tiny and the her dad asked me if
47 Post contains images Airbazar : I have to say I never asked but I always look back before doing it and never do it in one full push. I don't do it if I see that someone is using the
48 Post contains images JohnKrist : Well since I recline I also leave the shade up, just to annoy j/k Buy a pair of those soft eye covers to keep the light out, or fly business and get
49 KJFK31L : Sorry-- major brain fart... Did not get the aircraft or the series number correct. I have no excuse!! It was a CO 757-200ER out of EWR to LIS. Sorry
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