AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26 Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5803 times:
I was on a TransAtlantic flight yesterday, which was going very well until I went to recline my seat. It would not go back, so I try this button several times and no luck. Then I turn around and see the lady behind me has her knees up against me seat. So I tell her "Excuse me, could you please lower your legs so I can recline my seat." This women tells me "No! Because I have no space at all! WTF???????
I said to her "I know I am a twice your height, and if the guy in front of me can recline with me having room, I am sure you will have even more room." This women just sat there and said "No!" So I was forced to call the Crew member and see if he could maybe resolve something that I could not do.
He comes over and says to her to please allow him to lower his seat back. She said once again no, and that she has no space! So I just told her "Next time, if you want more space get your own private jet!" And she says to me that I am rude! LOL! I said "Look who's talking!"
So in the end I just told her that as soon as she goes to the toilet, I would recline my seat. And I did! And she kicked a couple times until she got tired. Then I switched seats with this other guy who said he did not care to recline, and to have his seat.
I left out the airline, because I did not want to target the airline at all. But these kinds of situations I have heard of many times, but have never encountered such selfishness. Has anyone on here ever encountered something like this?
FlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5767 times:
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I hear this often.
If im to recline, i generally ask beforehand, and i do like to have people ask before reclining on me, its courtesy.
I do not like people who recline during meals, and those who refuse to de-recline when I need to get up for the toilet.
Dont like recline? Fly FR http://www.kneedefender.com/
Hmm, I wonder how many people use these...
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Junction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 768 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5689 times:
Quoting FlyKev (Reply 1): i generally ask beforehand, and i do like to have people ask before reclining on me,
I agree. I've never had anyone object to me reclining my seat when I asked. If the women behind was asked "do you mind if I put my seat back?", she would have more then likely said no. There’s nothing more aggravating then when someone in front throws back their seat all the way with no kind of warning. Especially if you have drinks or a laptop on your tray.
Jascmil From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5614 times:
Quoting Junction (Reply 6): There’s nothing more aggravating then when someone in front throws back their seat all the way with no kind of warning. Especially if you have drinks or a laptop on your tray.
I totally agree with this. In economy, a reclined seat in front of me proves prohibitive when using a laptop. It takes so little effort to politely ask the person behind you if it would disturb them to recline your seat...yet it rarely happens. I realize this leads into a broader discussion of perceived liberties and entitlement, but I view it as an act of common courtesy...
UAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1556 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5428 times:
Quoting 747400F (Reply 7): It is such a pain when some jerk decides to recline her/his seat whilst you are working on your PC without asking. He/she deserves all the kneeing that is coming his/her way
Its his/her seat, not yours and they can do as they wish with it. I am 6'3 and I have space when someone leans back. Just stick your legs under their seat and move your bag into the space where your feet were before.
When I move my seat back, I ease it back over a period of about 8 seconds, nice and slow to show courtesy. Even if the person doesn't like it, I am still moving it back.
People who make the 'no space' complaint are full of crap and either need to fly first or economy plus on UA. Its wonderful
AA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5418 times:
Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 9): On a trans-Atlantic flight ????????????? I can't believe anyone would not recline their seat on such long flights !
He was a humble man. He himself was stuck in a middle seat, when the Flight Attendant asked me if he could be moved to the aisle in my row. He was content with switching to a window, and was much shorter than I was.
Quoting Tifoso (Reply 13): I wonder what the person behind him thought about your move
Nothing because there was no one behind the aisle seat.
CPH757 From Denmark, joined Sep 2005, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5289 times:
I must admit that I have used the knee block trick a couple of times myself on intra-European flights. Mostly because I'm sick and tired about people reclining at full speed two seconds after take-off. I usually resist until they ask me (my legs is almost blocking the seat on those 29" anyway), and then off course I allow them to recline their seat. It's funny though, that they almost always seem to give up after 2-3 attempts.
It is very inappropriate behaviour just to recline to the max at full speed. I always ask before I do it, and tell the passenger behind me that if he/she wants me to take it back to upright again, just ask.
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SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5240 times:
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Quoting AA767400 (Reply 16): She was laying back low, with her feet perched high up, and of course with her seat reclined. The first thing that came out of their mouth when they sat down was how cramped the seats were.
Rude cow! If it was me who was seated in front of her, she would have disembarked with broken knee caps. Also, I would have emptied a bottle of water in her seat when she went to the bathroom - childish, but so difficult to resist...
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David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5067 times:
Quoting UAL777 (Reply 15): Its his/her seat, not yours and they can do as they wish with it.
You reckon? So, if someone whacked you over the head with it that would be OK? The PTV on the back of it is yours so you can make it as difficult for the person behind to watch as you like? I think you missed out "within reason" and that's where it becomes subjective.
I had a problem once where the person in front kept throwing his seat back and forth without warning and I happened to pass the person in front of him in the aisle and mentioned it to him. By pure luck we got a demonstration as we were talking. I suggested he try it for himself. He was a big guy and obliged nicely. The guy between us had the audacity to shout out "hey, watch what you're doing". The big guy stood up and apologised in a really smarmy way and the prat just sat there scowling.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11362 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5049 times:
I usually ask before I recline, but it's I think it should be one of those generally accepted rules that if someone asks, you say yes. Kind of like when your buddy asks you if he can date your ex. He is REQUIRED to ask (according to the Guy Code), and you're REQUIRED to grant permission.
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Then she shouldn't be flying in Economy. If she wants more space, she should pay the extra money and get a business class/first class seat.
She got the amount of space she paid for, she shouldn't be b*tching...
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