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AA Finally Taking Delivery Of New 777s  
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2374 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12152 times:

777 production list

If you scroll down to the bottom, you will see the 777s to be delivered this year. I noticed 2 777s for American Airlines in February and in April. American has not taken delivery of a new aircraft from Boeing since 2003, (after they deferred their 777s and 737s. Does anyone know if AA will use these new 777s to open new routes? Also, When will they begin to recieve their remaining 737s?

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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12067 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if AA will use these new 777s to open new routes?

Actually yes. These two 777's are going to China: ORD-PVG which begins in April.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11899 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know if AA will use these new 777s to open new routes?

The two new Boeing 777s being delivered this spring will be used on the new Chicago-Shanghai route, beginning in April.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Also, When will they begin to recieve their remaining 737s?

American will take delivery of its remaining 737 and 777 aircraft beginning in 2013.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11851 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
American will take delivery of its remaining 737 and 777 aircraft beginning in 2013.

Commavia, how many 737's and 777's does AA still have on order?


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11850 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
American will take delivery of its remaining 737 and 777 aircraft beginning in 2013.

In clear English, you have to admit this means: "American will not take delivery of any airplanes any time soon (besides the 2 777s)". The 2013 date does seem meaningless. It's not known if 737s will still be made in 2013.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Commavia, how many 737's and 777's does AA still have on order?

American currently has committments to acquire seven Boeing 777s and 47 737s between 2013 and 2016.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 4):
In clear English, you have to admit this means: "American will not take delivery of any airplanes any time soon (besides the 2 777s)"

Huh? What it means is that, as of right now, American doesn't plan to take delivery of any new aircraft from Boeing until 2013.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 4):
The 2013 date does seem meaningless. It's not known if 737s will still be made in 2013.

Well, seeing as an potential 737 successor is "at least ten years away," I feel fairly confident in saying that the 737 line will still be in production, in some form or fasion, six years from now.


User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11764 times:

O kewl AA is adding China!! Or do they fly there already?

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11760 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
Well, seeing as an potential 737 successor is "at least ten years away," I feel fairly confident in saying that the 737 line will still be in production, in some form or fasion, six years from now.

Well, it will be quite obsolite by then. I really don't think they will take them. I think they will use the deposits for the 777s and the 737s to order some 787s instead.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 971 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11719 times:

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 4):
It's not known if 737s will still be made in 2013.

The 737NG will cetainly be in production in 2013. Customers like WN and FR have options extending to 2013, and they will almost assuradly use them to maintain consistant growth and fleet replacement. With the MMA contract, the 737 line will continue moving well past the sunset of the commercial variants.

I do agree, however, that I don't see the value in accepting delivery of a new batch of 737NG in 2013....

I think the most prudent measure would be to convert the 737NG order into a 787 downpayment. Deliveries begin in 2012 to replace leased A300 and begin process of 767 fleet renewal. The 787 easily has the potential to become American's long-haul backbone functioning as the long-term A300, 767, and 772ER replacement.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Commavia, how many 737's and 777's does AA still have on order?

777-200ER (45/54) : 9 frames

737-800 (77/124) : 47 frames


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11697 times:

A little off topic when will DL resume deliveries of their 738? I cant wait to see some AA and DL birds without cockpit eyebrows and with winglets (even though AA has a bird with winglets out)


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User currently onlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 464 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11619 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 6):
O kewl AA is adding China!! Or do they fly there already?



Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
The two new Boeing 777s being delivered this spring will be used on the new Chicago-Shanghai route, beginning in April

New route



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11421 times:

A friend of mine who works for AA has said that 2013 for the next delivery of a 737 is not set in stone. If AA starts making money, and there is traffic growth, AA may push up delivery dates.

User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11381 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
If AA starts making money, and there is traffic growth, AA may push up delivery dates.

That does not look good at this point in time, see other thread regarding AA disposal of MD-80's, granted 24 have been/are grounded already, they are really only cutting 3. My point is that at this time it looks like AA is still contracting, especially domestic wise where a 738 would be used, I can see AA moving more 757's into international service as they continue to reduce domestic mainline flights.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8447 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Weren't the 737's sold to Qantas? I know QF needed 737's around the time AA was looking to rid itself of its order so Qantas took them.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12510 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10859 times:
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Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
If AA starts making money

A 2005Q4 loss of over $600m suggests that is some time away. no 

[Edited 2006-01-19 11:11:17]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6895 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10751 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
Weren't the 737's sold to Qantas? I know QF needed 737's around the time AA was looking to rid itself of its order so Qantas took them.

I believe it was just delivery slots and/or half-made planes that were switched to Qantas rather than paper orders. Essentially, AA gave up imminent deliveries in favour of distant ones and Qantas snapped them up.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10694 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 13):
Weren't the 737's sold to Qantas? I know QF needed 737's around the time AA was looking to rid itself of its order so Qantas took them.

Not all of them. The original AA plan was enough 738s to first replace the 722, (which they did), and then start to slowly replace the MD-80s. Remember part of this planning was pre-TWA merger. Anyways, Qantas got the delivery slots, and the first 737-838s (as opposed to -823s) had AA first and economy seats in them. I actually like them, coupled with QF's LCD screens. QF and AA entered into an agreement that would keep the planes similarly configured (gallley, engines etc) so that if needed, the could be leased to each other (think of the BA 763s).

However the 737-800 order was huge. No way in hell QF could take all of those. They could however, take the pressure off AA when it needed it, plus get QF the delivery slots they needed i a real hurry if they were to expand and close the Ansett gap.

Just aside note, does anybody know why on earth AA has those old style TV's in the isles on their 738s? Those aircraft really should have LCD drop down screens from the PSU area like everybody else who operates those aircraft.


User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8846 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 16):
does anybody know why on earth AA has those old style TV's in the isles on their 738s? Those aircraft really should have LCD drop down screens from the PSU area like everybody else who operates those aircraft.

Because the flip down TV's cost $200,000 more per aircraft.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4635 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8794 times:

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 16):
However the 737-800 order was huge. No way in hell QF could take all of those. They could however, take the pressure off AA when it needed it, plus get QF the delivery slots they needed i a real hurry if they were to expand and close the Ansett gap.

It turned out that what was bad for AA was perfect for QF. Wasn't it only a matter on two or three months between the QF "order" and delivery? I remember it was a remarkably quick timeframe.

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 17):
Because the flip down TV's cost $200,000 more per aircraft.

Obviously the weight saving of the LCD screens didn't justify the investment?

Interesting.

Trent.



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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

It is actually a net gain of only 1 777. Ship N7AL has been returned to Boeing.

User currently offlineTifoso From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 7):
I think they will use the deposits for the 777s and the 737s to order some 787s instead.

Aren't all the AA 777s on order -200ERs? If Boeing goes ahead with the 787-10 (which seems very likely), then AA could transfer the 777 deposits to the 787.

They do need the 783 to replace the A300s.

[Edited 2006-01-19 17:03:43]

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8036 times:

Are these 777s going to be delivered with AA's new business class product?


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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7959 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
These two 777's are going to China: ORD-PVG which begins in April.

So at AA an aircraft is specially affected to one route! This does not seem efficient to me in terms of hours of utilisation.



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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 22):
So at AA an aircraft is specially affected to one route! This does not seem efficient to me in terms of hours of utilisation.

What he meant about this was they would cover the "slots" for those trips. For AA to start that route and not reduce any 777 flying anywhere else, they would need two more 777's. They will fly throughout the system just like all of AA's 777.


User currently offlineN725RW From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Will the new 777's have the new business class product?

25 MarkATL : No, they will be delivered with the old product, a three man cockpit, DC-10 style piano bar and a buch of young hottie stews in hot pants!! The first
26 ORDagent : [quote=DfwRevolution,reply=8]With the MMA contract[/quote MMA?
27 Bombayhog : Why was 7AL returned to Boeing??
28 Dc10s4ever : It was a surplus aircraft, and AA wound up making $$$$$ on the deal
29 Ckfred : Vegasplanes: A lot can happen in 7 years, including NW and/or DL going into Chapter 7 or shrinking substantially, oil prices going before $50, WN seei
30 BigGSFO : I agree. In fact I wouldn't be surprised at all if AA announces that they will accelerate their delivery schedule. The 738's are great planes and a p
31 AA 777 : As far as I know 7AL wasnt returned to Boeing - Just leased for two years for 787 flight testing. I would have to bet that AA made money on the deal,
32 AbirdA : Have I been trapped under the proverbial rock? I haven't heard anything about this. Was there a press release from Boeing or AMR regarding this ship
33 Dc10s4ever : No press release, because 99.9% of the world goes not give a crap. (A.netters excluded!)
34 Post contains links and images DfwRevolution : Mult-Mission Marine Aircraft. Basically a 737-800 outfitted to hunt submarines and track surface movements: http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/milit
35 LY4XELD : I can confirm what AA 777 said. It was only leased to Boeing for their testing purposes. As far as I know, AA did not lose money on letting Boeing us
36 Carpethead : Not to mention those are all the aircraft the entire American/American Eagle system is taking delivery all year (unless something changes). Never rule
37 Vegasplanes : Ckfred: I hear what you are saying, I mis-interpreted your original post to infer that AA would want to move up the 738 delivery to something like cu
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