Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
CPAir & Pacific Western  
User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2274 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Hello everyone!

Has anyone here flown either CPAir or Pacific Western? I passed up the opportunity to fly on CPAir from SFO-YVR during Expo 86. I ended up flying Cathay Pacific on the route because that was my first normal-sized 747 (I flew on a Pan Am 747SP from SFO-LAX).

How was their service? Was the service anything like flying today? Pretty vague, I know.

15 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

PWA=Please Wait Awhile! I always liked the way CPAir gave their aircraft titles such as,Empress Of Tokyo,Empress Of Vancouver,etc,it seemed to add such a classy touch to what has now become just mass transit.

User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

I've flown both PWA and CP. The PWA trip was an early morning 737 from SEA to YVR via Victoria (sorry about that). Needless to say, it was a quiet trip, no inflight service, and we cleared Canadian customs in Victoria. Everyone re-boarded and I guess some intransit joined, and it was a quick trip to YVR. I just remember the A/C being spotless and the crew efficient (15-20 minute legs each).

CP is a different story. I worked for a major cruise line at the time and this was during our summer Alaska season. Quickly, I had to fly out to Victoria to replace a crew member. The only flight the company could get me on was CP first class SFO/YVR and AC YVR/Victoria (sorry again). When I got to SFO (the old, old International terminal - Concourse A I believe now), I went to the CP desk to check-in. Since I was joining a luxury cruise ship, I had a lot of clothes (uniforms, tuxedos, all seasons stuff). There was no question about how much I had - I was first class. I was issued an invitation to the joint first class lounge on the upper level. Lovely - a friend met me for drinks (yes, guests were allowed then). When it was time to board, I made my way down to the gate (5:30 pm - quiet) and boarded a 737. The first class cabin was set up beautifully. Comfortable seats, foot rests, slippers and eyeshades on the seats (~1:45-2:15 flying time), and a printed menu.

Drink orders were taken between the demo and taxi. There were 2 F/A's working the full 8 seat cabin. There was also a deadhead F/A in uniform (jump seat), so he helped as well. Very shortly after t/o, the crew was around with cocktails in the proper glass - I'm sure there were peanuts...

Then the meal service began. EVERY course was served from the cart! From appetiser to dessert, all courses were "plated" at the seat. Ah, shades of trips past! Of course, there were two entree choices. The appetiser course was a lobster salad with a julienne of lettuce over chilled aspic. The main course I chose was a great leg of lamb. Not carved at the seat, but still plated. I think the other entree was fish. After all that, the cart came around with dessert, cheese, fruit, and crackers; cordials and coffee.

It was very difficult for me to land - I didn't want this dream to end. All went well, I had a pass to the AC Maple Leaf Lounge to wait my two hours. Cocktails were complimentary, the other two pax friendly, and I made my connection to an AC DC-9 for the looong flight to Victoria (19 minutes?).

It's too bad those two distinguished carriers are gone. When PWA acquired CP and became Canadian, I have no idea of how things were. All I know is that everytime I've flown a Canadian carrier, CP has set the standard for me. Yes, I know - those days are gone, but fondly remembered.


User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 922 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

I remember flying CPAir from FCO-YYZ via Mirabel in the 80s aboard a DC-10. I was a kid then but remember seeing the big Orange beauty on the tarmac and was thrilled. I remember the service being great and even getting to go into the cockpit for a look and chat with the pilots. Oh those were the days! Wish I had started recording registrations back then but did not for that flight.

As for Pacific Western, in the early 90s I flew SEA-YVR roundtrip. Both aircraft were painted in PWA colours but I believe the merger had taken place and it was Canadian Pacific/Canadien Pacifique? Very friendly service. Even remember the Smothers Brothers on the flight back from YVR!  Smile

Also when the airlines merged and the carrier started a MDW-YYZ trip I took the flights and remember always finding it cool to see if you were on an old EPA, Nordair, CP Air or PWA 737 by the tail registration. I did write those down!



Landing on every Continent almost on an annual basis!
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Thread starter):
Was the service anything like flying today?

No disresepect intended, but it's obviously been a while since you've flown within North America. From an In-Flight experience point of view, cherish the memories!!



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2064 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

FLYACYYZ...no offense taken. I've flown quite a bit in recent days, but not a whole lot back when CPAir and PWA were flying. Like I said, the only Canadian flight I took was on CX from SFO-YVR because I wanted to get on a 747.

Outside of no meals and fewer flight attendants, flying on AA, UA, DL and US (or AL, take your pick), was fairly typical. There were more trinket type stuff like playing cards.

With the exception of my first flight, which was between SFO and CHS (via ATL) on DL & EA, all of my other trips were short haul (mainly OAK/SFO to LAX). I was a big fan of AirCal and USAir (back when they had 727-200's). I flew HA from SFO-HNL back in 1985 and those flights sucked...bad service and attitude.

Yes...with my limited exposure to flying back then...those were the days.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

In the "good old days" flying on PW was no better/worse than the American carriers mentioned. Alot of milk run routes, getting you comfortably from A to B.

CP was definitely a cut above the rest even in Economy Class. Very focused on food and amenity presentation. Lots of china and silver service even in the back of the bus, and nice touches like magazine presentation, cards and cribbage boards available, etc.

Complementary food service has all but been obliterated within North America in Y/C and the focus amongst the LCC's and slowly some of the legacy carriers (AC) is cabin environment. Improved seating, cabin comfort and In-Flight entertainment seems to be the current/next trend.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineYYZ757FAN From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

In the early 80's I took a flight with Pacific Western from YYZ to YLW with a stop in YYC. I spent most of the flight to YYC in the flight deck speaking with the pilots and enjoying the view from the jump seat. The cabin crew even brought lunch into the flight deck for me.(Still one of the best flight experiences I've ever had) The entire crew was very friendly. The return flight was spent in the regular cabin which was comfortable. The cabin crew were very hospitable and cheerful and service was very nice. I had numerous flights with Canadian Airlines and always found their service to be exceptional. The crew always seemed to be in a cheerful mood and made the flight a pleasant experience. I miss the that type of service in today's airlines.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5888 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I kind of kick myself for not flying CPAir. But the service on CX was excellent, also!

User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 3):
As for Pacific Western, in the early 90s I flew SEA-YVR roundtrip. Both aircraft were painted in PWA colours but I believe the merger had taken place and it was Canadian Pacific/Canadien Pacifique?

Close, but no. Pacific Western bought Canadian Pacific/Canadien Pacifique (the same thing, just spelled in english and french) in I think 1986 or 1987 somewhere in there give or take a few years and merged the two together to form Canadi>n Airlines International (the Canadi>n purposly spelled that way, they didn't do it just to stick in a logo it was to make the name bilingual as well).


All the best
CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

There is a really good article about the history of Pacific Western in the latest issue of Airliners Magazine. Certainly be sure to check it out...some of you might know the author Wink


Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineDFORCE1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 2):
(sorry about that).

Why do you keep apologizing in that story?


User currently offlineLucky727 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 602 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

I remember flying CP a lot when I joined my dad on business trips - once we flew from YYC to YYZ on a DC-10 - I was in Y, while dad was in Empress Class (business). An FA asked me to move so 2 people could sit together, so I obliged, and to acknowledge my cooperation, he brought me a pack of all the kids' stuff they had on board (postcards, slippers, books, etc.) Shortly after that, when he learned that my dad was in Empress Class, he took me up front to sit with my dad (probably the only time I've been 'upgraded'...) Got a window seat & had a great steak for lunch.

Probably flew on all types in their fleet - 747, DC-10, 737, 727 - everything but their DC-8s. Loved those orange jets...


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Trevor Ogle




··· [·] oooooooo [·] oooo oo ooooo [·] ooooooooooooooooooo [·]
User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4878 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

I recall flying First Class on CPAir from YYZ-YVR, then YVR-LAX.

I could fly free on our own flights YYZ-LAX, but I wanted to try out CP and see what all the fuss and talk was about. I was astounded, the service was a huge cut above the rest, and it was a pleasure from start to finish.

I think the thing I remember the most, was walking into the DC-10 First Class section from the rear, as the aircraft boarded from the middle, and the Purser came up to me:

"Good morning Mr. X, my name is Van, I would like to personally welcome you about Canadian Pacific Airlines. Your seat is 2A, I will take your coat. Would you like champagne or orange juice before take off?"

How did he know my name, or where I was seated. I peaked in the galley during the flight and saw notes he received from the checkin counter (I assume) showing what passengers where wearing, so he could greet them by name.

I simple gesture .... but HUGE in my books.

I drank a lot of coffee on the flight, (A vice of mine). When I boarded the flight in YVR to LAX, the purser again greeted me by name, then gave me a mug and said, "here, Van said you'd want this!"

I laughed all the way to LA!



Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Way back in early 1970s I flew from HKG to YVR on CP then to YYZ on AC.. I have no memories during that time because I was only 2yrs old according to my parents. However in 1993 in November I flew on CP from YYZ to HNL then onto NZ to AKL then to SYD. CP renamed Canadian Airlines International

User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4775 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

My choice of username expresses the love for my favourite airline and aircraft combination. Although I did fly the 747-200, DC-10-10 and DC-10-30 with CP Air, I was too young to remember many of the details of the inflight service itself. But the livery, love it or hate it, has to still rank as one of the most distinctive of all time.

I can remember the 747-200 landing at NAN (routing YYZ-HNL-NAN-AKL) and having some oxygen masks fall down on a rather rough landing  Smile

Lucky727, you are lucky indeed to have flown on all those CP Air flights


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Pacific Western Airlines posted Fri Jul 9 2004 08:46:51 by Nwfltattendant
Remember Pacific Western (PWA)? posted Thu May 6 2004 18:25:06 by Bmacleod
Virgin Blue & Pacific Blue: Why 2 Airlines? posted Wed Dec 31 2003 21:17:13 by CRJ'sRule
Pacific Western's Boeing 737-2A9s posted Wed Nov 13 2002 04:05:16 by Mcdougald
Pacific Western: Might've Gone No-Frills In '80s? posted Wed May 22 2002 18:24:51 by Mcdougald
Pacific Western In The Mid-80's posted Thu Mar 7 2002 01:14:56 by Tom in NO
Pacific Western!? posted Mon May 21 2001 14:50:40 by Montenegro
Pacific Western Airlines(PWA) History Question posted Thu Apr 19 2001 08:46:56 by Tennisace
Ever Flown Pacific Western? posted Thu Nov 25 1999 19:32:22 by Montenegro
What's Happened To Pacific Western? posted Wed Sep 22 1999 16:28:34 by Montenegro