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Madrid Barajas........WOW!  
User currently offlineBrunoSBGR From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

Hi everyone!

I was just looking at the last 24h most viewed pics, and came across this aerial picture from Barajas Airport (MAD/LEMD).


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All I could think was......WOW!! What a huge airport!!

Okay, okay... I know there are plenty of bigger airports around the world (like ORD), but this one caught my attention because of it's details and unusual project.

I've been o LEMD in 1996, and back then there were only 2 runways (the closest ones to the terminal on the left, which was also the only one...).

I knew the airport had gone under construction for expansion, but I didn't know what a big expansion it was! Now there are 5 runways (3 parallels!) and 3 huge terminals, very distant form each other!

And the thing that most caught my attention: I can't stop imagining how amazing approaches may be seen from the ground on the center runways. The aircrafts must fly real low above the terminals and the tarmacs, and that certainly makes a wonderful moment for everyone watching through the windows...
Has anyone here been there to tell??

Anyway, just wanted to share with you all.


Goodday, everyone!

Bruno_SBGR

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User currently offlineSNfreak From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8379 times:

the shaded faded grey one in the middle isn't used anymore
the upper left one is used for t/o to ther right or landing to the left (so no tarmac overlflying)
the lower left one isn't used yet
the upper right one is used for landing to the left or t/o to the right
the lower right one isn't used yet

so not that spectacular  Wink
nice airport though, lot of "exotic" south american carriers for us normal european guys  Wink



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User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

I agree! MAD looks like a whole new airport, around 200% bigger!
Look at the old parking area in the upper left corner? Looks like a minor maintenance area compared to the other terminals, and the new terminals are located just center of the two parallel runways!

Amazing job, really surprised by this shot!

Boaz...



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

Amazing from FL320 but when on the ground transitting...a real dump. I love the plans to transport passengers from the current terminal setup (T1, 2, 3) to T4 & T4S via bus. Heard it'll take 30 mins to do so!!!! As beautiful as the new terminals are, they will become dumps like the old ones, just as T3 was beautiful when it was constructed and now, it's a filthy building. Also, as beautiful as the new buildings are, they will never improve their baggage services in MAD...Last time I was there, bags strewn all over the ramp with the Cobus passenger buses running over them.

I am speaking with experience of over 15 years of having flown in an out each year of MAD. I much rather prefer BCN.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

The only things I didn't like about MAD:

1. Cramped nature of Continental check-in area.
2. Bottle neck through immigration to boarding area from this area.
3. Extremely long walk from Metro.
4. Confusing gate allocation/announcement of gates for airlines like easyJet.

Otherwise, I love the organic, haphazard, unpredictability and funkiness of Barajas. Other airports may be cleaner, more organized, blah, blah, blah; but this will always be one of my favorite airports.
New is NOT always better.
Traveling via Barajas is always guaranteed to provide on thing: Adventure, and to me, that is what traveling is all about!



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8135 times:

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 3):
Amazing from FL320 but when on the ground transitting...a real dump

I second that. I had a transfer this summer, and I was really shocked to see such a big and important airport to look like it does! It has a confusing lay-out, looks like s***, and feels cramped.



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

Won't they extend the metro to the new terminal? I know it currently continues from the existing terminal to the village of Barajas, but it would be strange if they stayed with the current metro station only. Will the old terminals remain in use once the new one opens?


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User currently offlineEuroBonus From Denmark, joined Nov 2004, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

Anyone who knows the date when the new terminals will open? I just transferred at MAD (IB AGP-CPH) Monday 16th Jan - and nothing about the terminal in the old terminal - I imagined some exhibition, arts, etc like u see at LHR about T5. Will the whole OneWorld move over to the new terminal? What about the remaning airlines? Links to sources will be appreciated. Also will there be a Metro stop besides the APM system at the new terminal? It is so far away from the old one!

User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8047 times:

Is it bigger than CDG or AMS ? Runways there are spread over tens of kilometers !!!

User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7921 times:

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 7):
Anyone who knows the date when the new terminals will open? I just transferred at MAD (IB AGP-CPH) Monday 16th Jan - and nothing about the terminal in the old terminal - I imagined some exhibition, arts, etc like u see at LHR about T5. Will the whole OneWorld move over to the new terminal? What about the remaning airlines? Links to sources will be appreciated. Also will there be a Metro stop besides the APM system at the new terminal? It is so far away from the old one!

EuroBonus....the new terminal will open on February 5th. Oneworld will be moving to the new terminal as well as a few airlines that are not in any alliance. T1,2,3 will remain in operation and will house both Skyteam and Star Alliance. Not sure of the layout, I have to look through my emails but I think Star will remain in T1 and Skyteam between T2,3.

Unfortunately between all the politics and bickering, the Metro will not be available in the new terminal yet. They are in the process of selecting a contractor to extend the Metro from Barajas(town) to T4. They hope to have it completed by late 2007 I believe.



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

Iberia340600,

I did read recently the inauguration of the new T4 terminals would be postponed one week from January 29 to February 5. Also, the "allocation" of T4 by AENA created a HUGE drama last year, with IB and JK fighting amongst themselves and with the AENA.

- When will the two new runways on the eastern side of the airport open for operations?

- Will the existing T1, T2 and T3 terminals be renovated?

- Will the new T4 terminal also have a railway platform so pax can transfer to RENFE's high-speed train [AVE]? If so, when will the Metro and RENFE services initiate operations?

- Can MAD's four runways handle simultaneous take-offs/landings to maximize capacity?

- I read there were technical problems with MAD's new runways; any insights into these?


User currently offlineTimRees From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 3):
Amazing from FL320 but when on the ground transitting...a real dump

I second that.

Quite agree! I transitted MAD in November and it made LHR look ultramodern and clean! I am interested to hear that Oneworld airlines will move en masse to T4 as it might improve the transfer experience to South America now BA has handed over most of it's flights to IB. However, I hope IB will improve somewhat, as a great terminal used by a not so great airline wouldn't be any incentive to transit MAD!


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2017 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7586 times:

I must be an anomaly... I love Barajas.

I love everything about it... the beautiful approach over the brown hills and endlessly-growing suburbs (will Madrid ever stop building new motorways?), the huge neverending ramps filled with Iberia and Air Europa jets, the crowded, funky terminals. Nothing beats sitting in the mezzanine cafeteria in T2 and seeing three Iberia A340s stacked up on final for runway 33!

Throw in a bunch of unusual South American carriers (LAN, LAB, Varig, Cubana, Aerolineas Argentinas, Avianca) and you have my favorite European airport. The new expansion is spectacular too... it's amazing that in these NIMBY-fied days, Madrid was able to expand its airport so much.


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 8):
Is it bigger than CDG or AMS ?

In terms of terminal floor area I think it is.

T1, T2 and T3: 220,000 sq. meters divided in 2-3 floors
T4: 470,000 sq. meters divided in 6 floors
T4S: 287,000 sq. meters divided in 5-6 floors

Total: 977,000 sq. meters...10,5 million sq.ft. of terminal buildings.

To give you an idea:

LHR's T5: 360,000 sq. meters divided in 5 floors.
HKG: 530,000 sq.meters. World's largest terminal building.
ATL: 530,000 sq. meters including terminal Building, Concourses T, A, B, C, D, and E.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 10):
Will the existing T1, T2 and T3 terminals be renovated?

Maybe they should recieve a small facelift in some areas although they look way better than many other major airports I have been to. I just don't know why Barajas recieves severe critics about it's aesthetics...I guess many people should see MIA, JFK, the old terminals at LHR, LGW's south terminal as well as one of the terminals at MAN before critizicing MAD in such a way. Although it's being renovated, ORD was also in VERY bad shape when I went there in 2004, and the awarded T5 as well as T2 felt terrible. My only BIG complaints about Barajas airport are: lack of jetways, BAD catering facilities, filthy restrooms..and lots of Spaniards. Yes...you read well...LOTS of Spaniards. I know this may sound strange, but being as proud of my country as I am, I also have to admit that the average Spaniard needs to learn good manners. Anyway, this doesn't only apply to Barajas but to all of Spain, but doesn't have to do with the topic being discussed here.

I have never been in Barajas while in transit since it has always been my departure point/final destination but one thing is for sure: I have NEVER felt the "chaos" sensation that many describe, my departures/arrivals have always been without incidents, the baggage claim lounges are very decent (the ones in T1 are VERY spacious), and overall the airport looks cleaner and in better shape than many other airports like the ones I mentioned above.

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Thread starter):
there are plenty of bigger airports around the world

Plenty?...maybe 2 or 3, and that is difficult to know. It also depends on what do you mean by "size", e.g.: land area? terminals size?

In terms of land area I think that the world's largest airport is in Saudi Arabia.

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Thread starter):
like ORD

Of course ORD doubles MAD in aircraft movements and passenger traffic, but in terms of physical size I think they're very close to each other. Remember that MAD has been expanded to cope with the traffic increase for the next 15-20 years.

Btw passenger traffic at MAD increased 8,8% in 2005. The final pax count according to AENA was 41,96 million.

[Edited 2006-01-19 21:10:40]


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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7397 times:

Huge, aweful, never ending and that new terminar lip shaped looks as coming from an Almodovar film

My vote for worst airport of the world, in one of the best cities of the world.

Viva Madrid, muera MAD



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 14):
Huge, aweful, never ending and that new terminar lip shaped looks as coming from an Almodovar film

I do not agree at ALL! I love the design of the new T4 terminals and the "retro-60's" design of the curved metal roof. And, more importantly, I absolutely LOVE Almodóvar movies and the precise care the director takes to design his sets and clothing.

The new terminals are gorgeous and very funky looking.

There are some fabulous pix of the new terminal here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=216498


User currently offlineSna350 From Belgium, joined Dec 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

I flew into MAD a few months ago (TV) and I can tell you that the expansion is more than welcome
many aircraft have to use remote stands and a bus
and the current terminals can really use a facelift
also the extra runways are more than welcome because for departure there were really long waiting lines



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User currently offlineSoundtrack From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Wow - what a big difference - looks completely different.

The old airport is captured on an aviation enthusiast dvd at
http://store.yahoo.com/airutopia/barintlairma.html

Pretty good video - MAD has quite a variety of aircraft - lot more than people think - from DC8s to Russian - and Iberia's fleet was quite diverse then!

Congrats to Spain - looks like a great airport!


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 3):
Amazing from FL320 but when on the ground transitting...a real dump. I love the plans to transport passengers from the current terminal setup (T1, 2, 3) to T4 & T4S via bus. Heard it'll take 30 mins to do so!!!! As beautiful as the new terminals are, they will become dumps like the old ones, just as T3 was beautiful when it was constructed and now, it's a filthy building. Also, as beautiful as the new buildings are, they will never improve their baggage services in MAD...Last time I was there, bags strewn all over the ramp with the Cobus passenger buses running over them.

I am speaking with experience of over 15 years of having flown in an out each year of MAD. I much rather prefer BCN.

You're talking of over 15 years of YOUR opinion. I've used the airport over the past 20 years, a minimum of 5 times a year and on some years upto 20 times per year. Just like a smiliar thread on CDG, I don't see what the porblem so many of you have with MAD and CDG. T3 is not a filthy building, at least it wasn't 5 weeks ago the last time I used it... it's quite cute actually (as in so small compared to the rest).

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 6):
Won't they extend the metro to the new terminal

Of course they will, (as far as I know, open to correction from our local friends). They just need time as the whole "Plan Barajas" is a HUGE project

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 6):
Will the old terminals remain in use once the new one opens?

Yes they will. OneWorld carriers and a few other airlines will use T4.

Quoting EuroBonus (Reply 7):
Anyone who knows the date when the new terminals will open?

Appears it's been postponed another week, to Feb 5th.

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 12):
I must be an anomaly... I love Barajas.

Join the club Jsnww81. I love it too. Lots of traffic, but homely.



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User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 10):
- When will the two new runways on the eastern side of the airport open for operations?

- Will the existing T1, T2 and T3 terminals be renovated?

- Will the new T4 terminal also have a railway platform so pax can transfer to RENFE's high-speed train [AVE]? If so, when will the Metro and RENFE services initiate operations?

- Can MAD's four runways handle simultaneous take-offs/landings to maximize capacity?

- I read there were technical problems with MAD's new runways; any insights into these?

Pdpsol:
1. I believe the new runways are open and have been used(albeit rarely) but do not expect full use of the runways until AENA increases landing and take off slots sometime towards the end of this year(October?). AENA has decided to do this to give T4 time to get into full motion.

2. I have not heard of any plans to have T1-3 renovated. I am sure it will get some sort of facelift but I dont expect any major renovations to take place.

3. I dont believe that RENFE will be coming into T4. The Metro station is done, and work on the tunnel to connect the Metro a T4 with the Barajas station should be completed and operative by the end of 2007.

4. I would expect Barajas to mantain its North/South configuration depending on the weather. Not sure if they plan on using all four runways at once although with the increase in slots, I am sure that kind of plan has been talked about.

5. Have not heard of any technical issues with MAD new runways. Where have you heard this? The only thing I have heard is that the neighboring communities are still opposed to those runways being used due to noise pollution.

Regarding the distribution of the Terminals after the move....this is the information I have:

T1 - Star Alliance and Skyteam except Spanair. Most other International airlines will be operating from T1 as well(too many to post).

T2 - Air Berlin, Air Europa, Girjet, Hola Airlines, LTU Intl, Spanair, and TAP Air Portugal.

T3 - Lagun Air

T4/T4S - Oneworld Alliance(IB, AA, BA, EI, FI, LA) + Aeroflot, Air Algerie, Air Cairo, Air Nostrum(IB Regional), Air Senegal, Aviance, CSA Czech Airlines, Egypt Air, EL AL, Iberworld, Japan Airlines, Luxair, Sterling(Maersk), Olympic, Qatar, Royal Air Maroc, Royal Jordanian, SN BRussels, Syrian Arab Airlines, Tarom, Transportes Aereos de Cabo Verde, Turkish, Ukraine International, Virgin Expres, and Vueling. (as an FYI...most of these other airlines are moving to T4 because they have a handling agreement with IB where IB does checkin and/or ground handling).

Hope that helps!!!

[Edited 2006-01-20 23:21:51]


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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 19):
T3 - Lagun Air

Eh?...the entire T3 just for them?. Wow there must be a mistake there. That airline only operates the Saab 340...and I am not sure but I think they have less than a handful of them.



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User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 20):
Eh?...the entire T3 just for them?. Wow there must be a mistake there. That airline only operates the Saab 340...and I am not sure but I think they have less than a handful of them.

IBERIA747....if I am not mistaken...the airlines I have put up there refers to where the airlines will have their check-in. So most likely Lagun Air will be taking over the check-in area of Air Nostrum. Im pretty sure that all airlines checking-in and T2 will be using gates at T3 for departures and arrivals.



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 21):
the airlines I have put up there refers to where the airlines will have their check-in

Ahh ok. That makes more sense since the only counters currently available at T3's small check-in area are those used for Iberia's "Puente Aéreo". I think Air Nostrum's passengers currently do their check-in at normal IB counters in T1 and T2.



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User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 22):
Ahh ok. That makes more sense since the only counters currently available at T3's small check-in area are those used for Iberia's "Puente Aéreo". I think Air Nostrum's passengers currently do their check-in at normal IB counters in T1 and T2.

Are you sure? I remember a couple of years ago when I went from MAD to ZAZ I checked in with Air Nostrum at T3...in the arrivals area they had their check-in counters setup.



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 23):
I checked in with Air Nostrum at T3...in the arrivals area they had their check-in counters setup.

Hmmm....I have never paid attention to that. I will look carefully the next time I go to the airport.



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25 Aisak : They have 4 of them based in LEN (León, LELN) One of them takes off early in the morning to go to MAD, parks there for the entire day an returns lat
26 Aisak : They have 4 counters down there but i've never seen more than 2 open As they're IB counters they can check-in all IB flights (i've seen people check-
27 IBERIA747 : Oh that's very sad to hear. When are they expected to stop flights?. That's bad because it means that the IB/BA monopoly on the Madrid-London route i
28 Post contains links and images Aisak : well.... BMI 1xdaily does not make much resistance been discussed in Bmi To Drop Heathrow To LIN And MAD (by BestWestern Jan 18 2006 in Civil Aviatio
29 Post contains links Aisak : Here
30 IBERIA747 : I had heard those same comments quite often in the past and were made by SEPLA. In fact, I thought about the same thing when I first saw the new runw
31 YYZUla : I didn't think it was that bad when I flew out of there back in August. It was definitely a new experience seeing some south american airlines that I
32 Toulouse : I fly Air Nostrum a lot on TLS-MAD-TLS and all check-in and boarding is in T3. It's usually busy down there in the morning with many Air Nostrum depa
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