This is the link in Japanese for all of you that can read Japanese. If not, I will continue with the usual translation that I do.
On 1/19, Japan Airlines has announced that they will withdraw their service from 4 international destinations including its KIX-LAX routes. This is due to the fact that because of all their mechanical troubles, passengers have avoided flying on JAL. They have cancelled 10 routes over the past year, and this kind of event is unprecedented. They plan to focus on operating its profitable routes to earn the company cash.
The KIX-LAX runs will be stopped in October of this year. In addition, its NRT-LAS-LAX-NRT (3 times weekly) will be stopped from September. In addition, they will stop their Hiroshima-Seoul routes, and Komatsu-Seoul routes from the end of March.
In addition, the KIX-BNE-SYD routes are being reviewed currently and might be stopped as early as next march. In order to prevent passengers in the Kansai region being affected heavily, they Japan Airlines is talking about talking to other airlines flying similar routes to increase capacity on these routes.
I guess this is inevitable but this is CRAZY sad!!!! My hometown is Kobe, next to the neighboring city of Osaka, but this means that it will be impossible to get to North America on a JAL flight because they also stopped their KIX-ORD operations a few years back. In addition, I have flown on the KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX sector, many many times and I guess this is inevitable. The plane only had about 150 pax every time I flew on them.
B6sea From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10635 times:
I havent heard much about JAL recently... are they having problems or is this just some early spring cleaning of superfluous routes? Sad to hear that the KIX-LAX flight... on the bright side, maybe that will free up a plane or two for a NGO-SEA flight that's been rumoured for some time.
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10594 times:
Ahh, good decision to cut in routes which are financially negative for the company. This will make some 744 frames available for conversion to Freighters soon. For the time being, JL should go the way in making money, on every place they can. And if they've to stop those routes, they will have a reason for sure to do this.
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 10594 times:
It would be nice for them to return to DFW and perhaps take over AA's second DFW-NRT flight. AA, of course would code-share. This way AA can allocate those 2 777's elsewhere while still operating 2 daily flights (1 on AA metal, the other on JL metal).
BH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10346 times:
It is very disappointing to hear that JAL has to axe more routes. If I'm not mistake, with TG cutting KIX-LAX and now with JAL cutting the route, this will leave the KIX-LAX market with no nonstop service.
Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
Cloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10266 times:
Quoting BH346 (Reply 8): It is very disappointing to hear that JAL has to axe more routes. If I'm not mistake, with TG cutting KIX-LAX and now with JAL cutting the route, this will leave the KIX-LAX market with no nonstop service.
No. JAL is the only airline on the Osaka-Los Angeles route. This especially makes the cut shocking. I wouldn't be shocked, however, to see United or ANA fill the void. Thai was flying LAX-KIX until just a few weeks ago, replaced with non-stops to Bangkok.
HKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 10074 times:
It's certainly sad news about the KIX-Oz route ... it's just unfortunate the numbers aren't there to make the route viable. There was a press release by the Australian Tourism Minister Fran Bailey yesterday, and I think that points to how much leisure tourism accounts for on that route rather than business traffic.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2978 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10029 times:
Japanese population is now declining and JAL is in the red, so all routes not making a profit are suspectible for cuts. That's reality.
Perhaps with NH taking delivery of couple of 772ER this year or a couple displaced from NRT can be put on the KIX-LAX. Also remember UA has a new NGO-SFO service that has cut into traffic to the US west coast from central Japan.
Komatsu & Hiroshima (HIJ) -ICN routes are not daily. HIJ-ICN competes with OZ A321 that operates on a daily basis. OZ or KE will probably pick-up the Komatsu-ICN route.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 10008 times:
I'm really starting to get worried about JAL. Hopefully the oneworld partnership will bring in extra business, but I'm feeling more and more like the airline is having a hard time coping with the 21st century (in the literal not figurative sense).
Trimming the fat from the route network is a good idea, but I find it hard to believe that nobody can make money on KIX-LAX. There must be something wrong with JAL if it can't turn a profit on a route as seemingly important as this.
Aaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9922 times:
Quoting Trvlr (Reply 15): Trimming the fat from the route network is a good idea, but I find it hard to believe that nobody can make money on KIX-LAX. There must be something wrong with JAL if it can't turn a profit on a route as seemingly important as this.
From what I've read anecdotally, JAL is still having issues with JAS merger. As far as LAX-KIX, I wonder why a triple 7 isn't being considered? Anyhow, I'll ask someone from JL's staff at LAX. Perhaps some light will be shed.
With a choice between changing one's mind & proving there's no need to do so, most everyone gets busy on the proof.
Neverest From France, joined Dec 2004, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 9762 times:
I wonder why JAL is having problems. Normally they should be the dominant player in their home market. But I remember from my experience of living in Japan in the mid-80s that JAL service, including in First Class, was nothing to give credit to Japan. Their cost base must be very high working out from Tokyo and inflexible labor practices. Also their attachment exclusively to Boeing may have something to do?
Cloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 9564 times:
Quoting Neverest (Reply 19): I wonder why JAL is having problems. Normally they should be the dominant player in their home market. But I remember from my experience of living in Japan in the mid-80s that JAL service, including in First Class, was nothing to give credit to Japan. Their cost base must be very high working out from Tokyo and inflexible labor practices. Also their attachment exclusively to Boeing may have something to do?
I know labor costs are high in Japan, but I believe they've started hiring a lot of foreign flight attendants, mostly from Southeast Asian countries.
It may be reasoned that due to, Boeing no matter what mindset, and exclusive reliance of Japanese airlines on Boeing aircraft, it may be hard for them to get really competitive prices for their planes. The reasons for this are varied, including extensive work sharing by Japanese companies with Boeing, with resultant pressure to buy Boeing.
: It only took 19 replies before a Frenchman started an A v. B war. Where were they supposed to get their 400+ passenger aircraft over the last 40 year
: The thing that kills JAL is that they have so many agreements with the big travel agents in Japan (Kintetsu, JTB, etc) for block seating in Y. They ha
: I may be French, but with my American education and years of residence in US, probably I am not much different from you in my outlook.
: Currently KE and JL codeshare on JL's Komatsu-ICN. I heard that KE is preparing to launch this route as JL drops it.
: Dude, chill out. Just as many Americans around here start B vs A arguments out of nothing.
: I'm wondering if this might be worth NW going back into the KIX route with a lighter acft - 330 and if that would make the landing fees more palpable.
: There are a few problems at JAL. The most recent one is the ongoing string of highly-publicized safety incidents. Their image has suffered and custome
: Actually, you can fly from Sendai to Tokyo/Narita. That route actually started when I was living in Sendai from 2000-2003. IBEX Airlines (ANA connecti
: As I mentioned on a previous thread about JL's woes, I think one of their biggest problems seems to be athe failure/inability to internationalize and