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JAL To Slash Another Four Int'l Routes!  
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10770 times:

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20060119-00000321-kyodo-bus_all

This is the link in Japanese for all of you that can read Japanese. If not, I will continue with the usual translation that I do.

On 1/19, Japan Airlines has announced that they will withdraw their service from 4 international destinations including its KIX-LAX routes. This is due to the fact that because of all their mechanical troubles, passengers have avoided flying on JAL. They have cancelled 10 routes over the past year, and this kind of event is unprecedented. They plan to focus on operating its profitable routes to earn the company cash.
The KIX-LAX runs will be stopped in October of this year. In addition, its NRT-LAS-LAX-NRT (3 times weekly) will be stopped from September. In addition, they will stop their Hiroshima-Seoul routes, and Komatsu-Seoul routes from the end of March.
In addition, the KIX-BNE-SYD routes are being reviewed currently and might be stopped as early as next march. In order to prevent passengers in the Kansai region being affected heavily, they Japan Airlines is talking about talking to other airlines flying similar routes to increase capacity on these routes.


I guess this is inevitable but this is CRAZY sad!!!! My hometown is Kobe, next to the neighboring city of Osaka, but this means that it will be impossible to get to North America on a JAL flight because they also stopped their KIX-ORD operations a few years back. In addition, I have flown on the KIX-BNE-SYD-KIX sector, many many times and I guess this is inevitable. The plane only had about 150 pax every time I flew on them.

I hope the best to JAL and hope they survive!!!


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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10593 times:

I'm surprised they're cutting KIX-LAX, you would think that it was a profitable route given the business travelers that ply that route.


Boston, USA
User currently offlineB6sea From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10544 times:

I havent heard much about JAL recently... are they having problems or is this just some early spring cleaning of superfluous routes? Sad to hear that the KIX-LAX flight... on the bright side, maybe that will free up a plane or two for a NGO-SEA flight that's been rumoured for some time.


-Chans


User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4270 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

Ahh, good decision to cut in routes which are financially negative for the company. This will make some 744 frames available for conversion to Freighters soon. For the time being, JL should go the way in making money, on every place they can. And if they've to stop those routes, they will have a reason for sure to do this.
Eric



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

It would be nice for them to return to DFW and perhaps take over AA's second DFW-NRT flight. AA, of course would code-share. This way AA can allocate those 2 777's elsewhere while still operating 2 daily flights (1 on AA metal, the other on JL metal).

User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

Maybe the 787 will make some of these routes viable again.

User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10346 times:

Does this mean that they are leaving LAS all together ?

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 1):
I'm surprised they're cutting KIX-LAX, you would think that it was a profitable route given the business travelers that ply that route

I know, I thought the same. Maybe they could at least downsize and continue the route? Or reduce frequencies?

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 6):
Does this mean that they are leaving LAS all together ?

The article sounds like it!!! They three time weekly NRT-LAS-LAX-NRT flight is being cut.



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User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

It is very disappointing to hear that JAL has to axe more routes. If I'm not mistake, with TG cutting KIX-LAX and now with JAL cutting the route, this will leave the KIX-LAX market with no nonstop service.


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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10175 times:

Quoting BH346 (Reply 8):
It is very disappointing to hear that JAL has to axe more routes. If I'm not mistake, with TG cutting KIX-LAX and now with JAL cutting the route, this will leave the KIX-LAX market with no nonstop service.

Doesn't ANA ply the KIX-LAX route too?



Boston, USA
User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10124 times:

Quoting BH346 (Reply 8):
this will leave the KIX-LAX market with no nonstop service.

That's sad, considering it once had 4 carriers flying the route (TG, JL, NH, UA).



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32880 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10105 times:

Quoting B6sea (Reply 2):
on the bright side, maybe that will free up a plane or two for a NGO-SEA flight that's been rumoured for some time.

ANA, not JAL, has expressed interest in Nagoya-Seattle.

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 9):

Doesn't ANA ply the KIX-LAX route too?

No. JAL is the only airline on the Osaka-Los Angeles route. This especially makes the cut shocking. I wouldn't be shocked, however, to see United or ANA fill the void. Thai was flying LAX-KIX until just a few weeks ago, replaced with non-stops to Bangkok.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10071 times:

10 years ago both UA and NW also flew to LAX out of KIX. I think the real big loser is the city of Osaka. They have been falling behind Tokyo and the decline just got a bit worse.

User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9983 times:

It's certainly sad news about the KIX-Oz route ... it's just unfortunate the numbers aren't there to make the route viable. There was a press release by the Australian Tourism Minister Fran Bailey yesterday, and I think that points to how much leisure tourism accounts for on that route rather than business traffic.


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

Japanese population is now declining and JAL is in the red, so all routes not making a profit are suspectible for cuts. That's reality.

Perhaps with NH taking delivery of couple of 772ER this year or a couple displaced from NRT can be put on the KIX-LAX. Also remember UA has a new NGO-SFO service that has cut into traffic to the US west coast from central Japan.

Komatsu & Hiroshima (HIJ) -ICN routes are not daily. HIJ-ICN competes with OZ A321 that operates on a daily basis. OZ or KE will probably pick-up the Komatsu-ICN route.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9917 times:

I'm really starting to get worried about JAL. Hopefully the oneworld partnership will bring in extra business, but I'm feeling more and more like the airline is having a hard time coping with the 21st century (in the literal not figurative sense).

Trimming the fat from the route network is a good idea, but I find it hard to believe that nobody can make money on KIX-LAX. There must be something wrong with JAL if it can't turn a profit on a route as seemingly important as this.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1524 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9831 times:

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 15):
Trimming the fat from the route network is a good idea, but I find it hard to believe that nobody can make money on KIX-LAX. There must be something wrong with JAL if it can't turn a profit on a route as seemingly important as this.

From what I've read anecdotally, JAL is still having issues with JAS merger. As far as LAX-KIX, I wonder why a triple 7 isn't being considered? Anyhow, I'll ask someone from JL's staff at LAX. Perhaps some light will be shed.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9804 times:

Shame.

I've been on that KIX-LAX flight many times and I am certainly not looking forward to haveing to take a flight throught NRT for future travels.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11703 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9736 times:

If only AA had a spare 777 lying around, maybe they could take a crack at LAX-KIX ...

User currently offlineNeverest From France, joined Dec 2004, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

I wonder why JAL is having problems. Normally they should be the dominant player in their home market. But I remember from my experience of living in Japan in the mid-80s that JAL service, including in First Class, was nothing to give credit to Japan. Their cost base must be very high working out from Tokyo and inflexible labor practices. Also their attachment exclusively to Boeing may have something to do?

User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9629 times:

Quoting Neverest (Reply 19):
Also their attachment exclusively to Boeing may have something to do?

What would that possibly have to do with anything? All it means is that they have better performing, more fuel efficient aircraft  Wink


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9605 times:

Quoting Neverest (Reply 19):
Also their attachment exclusively to Boeing may have something to do?

ANA doesn't have a particular love for Airbus either if you hadn't noticed.


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9473 times:

Quoting Neverest (Reply 19):
I wonder why JAL is having problems. Normally they should be the dominant player in their home market. But I remember from my experience of living in Japan in the mid-80s that JAL service, including in First Class, was nothing to give credit to Japan. Their cost base must be very high working out from Tokyo and inflexible labor practices. Also their attachment exclusively to Boeing may have something to do?

I know labor costs are high in Japan, but I believe they've started hiring a lot of foreign flight attendants, mostly from Southeast Asian countries.



Boston, USA
User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9379 times:

When I was flying for ATA we use to deadhead on JAL to KIX all the time from LAX and the flight was always packed! I am suprised!

User currently offlineNeverest From France, joined Dec 2004, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9136 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 21):

It may be reasoned that due to, Boeing no matter what mindset, and exclusive reliance of Japanese airlines on Boeing aircraft, it may be hard for them to get really competitive prices for their planes. The reasons for this are varied, including extensive work sharing by Japanese companies with Boeing, with resultant pressure to buy Boeing.


25 Ikramerica : It only took 19 replies before a Frenchman started an A v. B war. Where were they supposed to get their 400+ passenger aircraft over the last 40 year
26 Centrair : The thing that kills JAL is that they have so many agreements with the big travel agents in Japan (Kintetsu, JTB, etc) for block seating in Y. They ha
27 Neverest : I may be French, but with my American education and years of residence in US, probably I am not much different from you in my outlook.
28 HeeseokKoo : Currently KE and JL codeshare on JL's Komatsu-ICN. I heard that KE is preparing to launch this route as JL drops it.
29 MarkATL : Dude, chill out. Just as many Americans around here start B vs A arguments out of nothing.
30 M404 : I'm wondering if this might be worth NW going back into the KIX route with a lighter acft - 330 and if that would make the landing fees more palpable.
31 N79969 : There are a few problems at JAL. The most recent one is the ongoing string of highly-publicized safety incidents. Their image has suffered and custome
32 Post contains links USAJPNflyer : Actually, you can fly from Sendai to Tokyo/Narita. That route actually started when I was living in Sendai from 2000-2003. IBEX Airlines (ANA connecti
33 CX777Fan : As I mentioned on a previous thread about JL's woes, I think one of their biggest problems seems to be athe failure/inability to internationalize and
34 Blue787 : JL also have a large LHR base.
35 Atmx2000 : I was suprised when you said this, but after looking at the Great Circle Mapper I realized that Japan isn't that far off from the great circle route
36 LTU932 : What about NRT-MEX? I heard JL had their Mexico flight on the chopping board as well.
37 MD11dude : Makes me wonder how well they are doing on their NRT-YVR and NRT LAX routes?
38 Centrair : CX777fan...you said what I was trying to say. Thanks. I feel that JL needs to get off its butt, improve its safety, and start stretching its legs. As
39 Centrair : Was gonna add too myself above but was too lazy. SYD-HKG-LHR 9189nm SYD-SIN-LHR 9274nm SYD-KIX-LHR 9343nm SYD-NRT-LHR 9402nm SYD-DXB-LHR 9473nm Now t
40 Carpethead : Unfortunately, the biggest headache is the OZ-Europe direction, as it's not as convenient for minimal time connections with the current schedule. Then
41 Simpilicity : I don't think they fly KIX/BNE/SYD, KIX/SYD, but can't find any KIX/BNE flights. Perhaps you mean KIX/SYD/BNE or BNE/SYD/KIX ?
42 AvFan4ever : The other problem is that JAL is not hedged for fuel and is taking a beating.[/quote] These are all true. JAL has been dogged by the local media and
43 CX777Fan : I once or twice flew JAL SYD-LHR via NRT. The overnight stopover in a tiny hotel room in NRT may not be to everyone's liking, but it suited me fine. I
44 Jupiter2 : Simpilicity, JL 777/778 routes KIX/BNE/SYD/KIX is operated daily by JALWays with 743's. I thought you would have known that being in the travel indust
45 Aaway : I spoke to a JL manager this afternoon. He stated that a final decision regarding LAX-KIX and LAS-LAX-NRT is due next month. He indicated that LAX-KIX
46 LTU932 : Why not have JALways take over that route, along with the LAS service since this one seems to be rather leisure orientated nowadays. Maybe JL could k
47 Simpilicity : So why can't we find any nonstops at all with any carrier KIX/BNE IN OUR crs?
48 Simpilicity : our apologies ... we just checked again & no nonstops with any carrier BNE/KIX, but u are correct ... ** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** BNE BRISBANE.AUQL
49 N1120A : Nope, but they may start now. United really should jump on this chance to beef up LAX again
50 Ktachiya : I doubt that NH would do anything about it. United might (they fly SFO right?) A triangular route might at least work out? NH just focuses on the Asi
51 UALAX : How is AA doing on DFW-KIX? I wonder if AA would shift the flight to LAX for west coast feed.
52 Aukahkay : JL still operates daily flights SIN-NRT (2 flights/day) and SIN-KIX (1 flight). NH only operates a daily SIN-NRT flight. There are many options for di
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