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A DL/NW/CO Super Merger?  
User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6648 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7910 times:

Would a triple merger between Delta, Continental, and Northwest get approved? This would create the largest airline in the world. How would the hub structure work? My guess would be the fleet would go in Boeing's direction, as the only airline of those three who operates Airbuses is Northwest.


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

Only on A.net would someone come up with that idea, and immediately turn it towards A v B.

It'll never happen, the government would thwart it in the time it took you to type that.


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

I do more believe in a BA/LH/AF merger !

User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

You know would be interesting to have AC, UA and CO to merge or AC, UA, US
or AC, UA, DL or even AC, DL and CO


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 4):
AC, UA, US

The gov't kibashed the old-US with UA long long ago. I doubt they'd like this one.

AC/US I could almost see as feasible, but then the issue of foreign ownership comes in to play. AC does have a little slice of the US pie as we speak though, don't forget.


User currently offlineWn700driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

I can't see how CO would tolerate the business models & massive deficits that have put NW & DL into bankruptcy court. Maybe they would buy out DL or NW a piece at a time, but that could take decades.

User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Would a triple merger between Delta, Continental, and Northwest get approved? This would create the largest airline in the world. How would the hub structure work? My guess would be the fleet would go in Boeing's direction, as the only airline of those three who operates Airbuses is Northwest.

With people throwing around these rediculous ideas, I wonder where they get such good herb. Maybe I should give KLM and Amsterdam a call, then maybe Ill come up with a "EI/BA" merger thread.
 Wink



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3847 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

Quoting Wn700driver (Reply 6):
I can't see how CO would tolerate the business models & massive deficits that have put NW & DL into bankruptcy court.

NW has a business model  Wow!...


On a serious note, theres nothing "Super" about that merger.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4589 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 8):
On a serious note, theres nothing "Super" about that merger.

Super Federal Rejection

and IF by some stretch of the imagination it got past that point in a few years we would have....

Super Bankruptcy

My 2 cents.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

Quoting Wn700driver (Reply 6):
I can't see how CO would tolerate the business models & massive deficits that have put NW & DL into bankruptcy court.

As opposed to the two bankruptcies CO went through because of a suspect business model.

A merger between two of them might happen but not all three. My magic 8 ball says CO and DL could make a match but NW is left out in the cold.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7609 times:

Mass suicide.

Plain and simple.


User currently offlineWN700Driver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

The difference is that CO has learnt a thing or three in that awful process. From 1993 (last Bankruptcy emergence) to present, they have stayed black more than any US carrier. Including certain LCCs that like to bragg on that.

DL & NW OTOH, have not done the same. CO learnt the hard way that having a billion different types in the fleet just doesn't cut it for reliability & cost control. NW obviously slept through that class. Hopefully they can hang on to some of their paid for AC, but multiple types & hubs in weather delay prone regions do not help.
As for delta, their employees need to start pulling their weight already. Until recently, their flight crews had the highest average saleries in th US. Great if you can afford that, but not so hot if one is trying to expand a route network or aquire new ACs.
Hopefully the make like CO & GET IT. The last thing anyone needs is to see them dissapear & open up more room for LCCs.


User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

I am going to sound crazy, but consolidation is what we need in the industry. Back when US-UA were trying merge it was a different climate and they still made some sort of money without all of the LCC competition. Now with so many LCCs flying in our airports, it is time for our 'Flag' carriers of the US to consolidate and a DL-CO merger with maybe parts of NW or better yet Alaska would make a much better airline, if CO management was in charge and they kept the units separate until each one was ready to join CO Mainline.


Looking forward to the new AA
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7507 times:

NorthDeltinental


Sounds more like a new electric toothbrush  stirthepot 


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7444 times:

Quoting Graham697 (Reply 13):
Back when US-UA were trying merge it was a different climate and they still made some sort of money without all of the LCC competition

Not that much different, the economic bubble of the '90s was already starting to burst in 2000. If TW & US were making money then; why would there ever been even talks of merging w/AA & UA respcetively? The economic fallout following 9/11/01 only intensified the erosion process.

And as far as LCC competition is concerned, had UA & US merged; even without 9/11, UA/US would have ultimately dropped and/or drastically scaled back its PHL & PIT hubs because both of those PA airports are too close (< 300 miles) to UA's IAD hub.

That would've either:
1. Let the door wide open for WN to come into PHL & PIT roughly 2 years earlier than they did; similar could be said for F9.

2. Allowed FL to expand at either airport to a point where they would have a larger presence at either airport than they presently do.

3. Allowed B6 to come into either airport.



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User currently offlineHunUtazo From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

ha ha ha ha....





cal/ual

amr/nwac

dal/?

lcc/?

luv/?


there ya go,

good luck to all and to all,

good night!



dude
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting Wn700driver (Reply 6):
I can't see how CO would tolerate the business models & massive deficits that have put NW & DL into bankruptcy court.



Quoting WN700Driver (Reply 12):
The difference is that CO has learnt a thing or three in that awful process. From 1993 (last Bankruptcy emergence) to present, they have stayed black more than any US carrier.

Who is to say that DL and NW aren't doing their share of "learning" during their BK processes? DL has trimmed fleet and costs, spread their entire flight schedule more evenly throughout the entire country, and has now decided to play hardball against the LCC's. And the flight crews(by this, you mean pilots) are starting to see that the lifestyle they once knew is no longer the norm for anyone. I would say that DL has learned a lot and milks its BK process for all its worth. Very smart move, as compared to US's attempt at springing in and out, only to return again. DL still projects break even by the end of 2006 and profits by summer 2007 and CEO Grinstein recently confirmed the airline is right on track with its transformation, while CO will also join the other companies and report a loss for this quarter.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineN867BX From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

When I was a kid I suggested to my airline employee neighbors that Republic and Northwest merge. They laughed themselves silly over that suggestion.

User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 7185 times:

Quoting Wn700driver (Reply 6):
I can't see how CO would tolerate the business models & massive deficits that have put NW & DL into bankruptcy court.

Because they know the score?

Please...CO uses the same "business model" and they've already been bankrupt. Twice.

And they still have massive debt.

Quoting WN700Driver (Reply 12):
The difference is that CO has learnt a thing or three in that awful process. From 1993 (last Bankruptcy emergence) to present, they have stayed black more than any US carrier. Including certain LCCs that like to bragg on that.

And their last quarterly report was....

Quoting Graham697 (Reply 13):
I am going to sound crazy, but consolidation is what we need in the industry.

Why?

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 17):
DL has trimmed fleet and costs, spread their entire flight schedule more evenly throughout the entire country, and has now decided to play hardball against the LCC's.

Amen...and witness DL's announced new service out of MCO to cities served exclusively by FL...fight's on.

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 17):
And the flight crews(by this, you mean pilots) are starting to see that the lifestyle they once knew is no longer the norm for anyone.

And which air carrier has the highest paid pilots now? AA? CO? DL? UA?

WN.

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 17):
CEO Grinstein recently confirmed the airline is right on track with its transformation,

And he also stated DL is not looking at a merger with anyone. End of thread.


User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

Ah, but Delta and CO probably have a fairly combinable fleet combination, more so than the dirty red tails of the north, however they'd have to probably divest DL's JFK operation, and toss a coin over CLE or CVG, but it could work if DL could get its house in order, and emerge from Chp. 11. Right now, though, CO seems to want to blame DL for copying them under the protection of Chp. 11 for some of their own $ woes, time will tell.

User currently offlineJoeman From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
Not that much different, the economic bubble of the '90s was already starting to burst in 2000.

My personal portfolio of stock was starting to nosedive in late 98'.
A DL/NW/CO merger? Nothing in this ridiculous industry would surprise me.


User currently offlineDALIFS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 23 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6735 times:

I cannot help myself as merger talks/rumors are near and dear to everybody at Delta.

I do not think anybody here should worry about Delta getting their house in order and come out from BK as a transformed formidable competitor.

* Front line employees are being retrained with focus on the new Delta and our guests. The message is clear, it is your choice to participate or ..."thank you for your service to Delta."
* Massive fleet restructuring with aircraft modifications for service upgrades are scheduled through mid 2007.
* Network restructuring will fortify the Transatlantic and Latin American operation to be a profitable #1 and #2 in the industry while solidifying market share in North America with service upgrades galore.
* Plans are being finalized to expand Delta's global reach with ultra long haul flying with destinations to be announced later this year.

With everything currently in the works, it is my opinion...... that NWA's pacific route system (the finest there is) would/could be the final piece in a phenomenal puzzle. Will such a transaction be painful? Absolutely but the final "product" will have competitors scrambling.

 yes 



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User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6600 times:

Quoting DALIFS (Reply 21):
* Plans are being finalized to expand Delta's global reach with ultra long haul flying with destinations to be announced later this year.

Well, finally I'm not the only one that's said this. Be careful, some of the clowns on here might call you an idiot!  Wink

Lemme tell you the tools that came out of the woodwork when I said that PEK and JNB/CPT are on the map.

B


User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

I have a grand idea how about a super merger of all topics that have already been posted regarding these airlines coming together or in some combination involving the three.

User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

Quoting NonRevKing (Reply 22):

Lemme tell you the tools that came out of the woodwork when I said that PEK and JNB/CPT are on the map.

Would that be possible this/next year? I was under the impression the government denied DL permission to fly to China in favor of AA and CO. I'd also think DL would need to take delivery on the rest of their 772s as I'm almost certain South Africa and Beijing are out of range of a 763ER from ATL.

I think either or both of these services are awesome, but I don't see how they could happen before 2008 or 2009, which is when I think the gov't is going to assign further China flights and when DL is supposed to take delivery of the rest of their T7's.



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25 DALIFS : There are other immediate desires than China although this is considered the #1 market to break into. For equipment, consider the repositioning of B76
26 BigOrange : But a merger with DL wouldn't increase the number of aircraft types drastically, at least on mainline. The only addition to the types would be the MD
27 Post contains images FlyGuyClt : If a merger like that happened? To the employees: "BRACE FOR IMPACT" Safe Flying
28 LawnDart : Grinstein usually does say what he wants...he's the boss. And he has changed his mind in the past...witness his support of Leo Mullin and that gang o
29 BigOrange : Why would the fleet issues carry over to NW/UA. They both operate A319/A320 domestically. The Dc9's are being withdrawn so they are out of the pictur
30 WN700Driver : That doesn't make it the best place to work out of hand. At WN, there is little opportunity to advance beyond regional flying, there is no union prot
31 IcelandairMSP : That's not quite true. Currently, NW plans to withdraw all of their remaining DC9-30s, of which there are not many, and some of their 40s and 50s as
32 Commavia : American doesn't want the hastles and headaches of taking over the mess that is Delta, and American hardly needs much of Delta's network. American co
33 Srbmod : Any airline mergers in the US in the next 5-10 years will not be one of the Big Six Legacies (AA, UA, US, DL, NW, CO) merging with another of the Big
34 Post contains images Antoniemey : Yeah, because we all know Frank Lorenzo is really still in charge there... OK, dude, either stop smoking the mary jane, or actually post something in
35 Vegasplanes : I do not see mergers as the answer to the industries problems. What is need is one or more of the BK airlines to liquidate. Example, NW files for Ch.7
36 WorldTraveler : DL cannot and will not combine with either CO or AA. DL already is the number one or two airline in most northeast airports; AA is in the top three wh
37 Delta4eva : Hate to tell ya....but none of them have the money for that. I think you are completely wrong about this.... DL has an extremely convincing plan for
38 GSPITNL : This would be a nice thought but will NEVER EVER happen. I couldnt agree more. DL is making strides forward to clean the plate and fix the past! I see
39 Incitatus : I would venture into saying they are not. BK is a distraction from running a business. The cleanup is mostly financial: lower compensation, leases, d
40 GSPITNL : HAH! Thats funny, FL is about maxed ATL out as far as they can. DL will never give up gates to FL! The only hope of FL getting more gate space and ma
41 N1120A : Now that is a joke, particularly if your name is true. WN has not had a single unprofitable quarter since Gulf War I and not a single unprofitable ye
42 Post contains links and images ChicagoFlyer : Part of what your say is true, and part is false. It is true that a lot of the company's resources are tied up in the bankruptcy process--guys in the
43 Post contains images OttoPylit : WHAT!!! Hey B, shoot me a PM or email and let me know about this. But other than that, you are correct. The a.net bozo's hate honesty and logic. Nope
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